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wulf_pilot
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posted 01-27-2000 10:09 AM     Profile for wulf_pilot   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Ok here are a few questions for the oldtimers. Who have cut thier teeth for many years with sims
1. Whats the coolset thing youve ever done or whitnessed in a sim.
2. Whats the stupidest thing youve ever done in a sim
3. What was the game that "started it all" for you

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posted 01-27-2000 01:08 PM     Profile for Twitch   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
1. Whats the coolset thing youve ever done or whitnessed in a sim.

With EAW there have been too many to remember them all.

2. Whats the stupidest thing youve ever done in a sim

Accidentally hitting the bail-out key on various sims ....Doh!

3. What was the game that "started it all" for you

Had Colecovision and played Time Pilot dreaming of what might come. Had some weird, simple "sim" flying a Mosquito where you bombed trains and shot at V-1s. Went on to Their Finest Hour and Secret Weapons and the rest is history.......


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posted 01-27-2000 01:17 PM     Profile for Majesty5   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
1. Whats the coolset thing you've ever done or witnessed in a sim?

Hmm... Most of my "coolest" moments have been experienced in EAW. Stalking wounded bombers trying to get home over the channel, zipping through clouds chasing a 109 just like Robert Standford-Tuck did, or seeing a huge stream of bombers coming in, then suddenly everything explodes into chaos and I think, "Oh, what a main event THIS is..." On Monday I had this cool slow-motion aerial-ballet-type fight, me flying a P-38J against late model "fighter" Ju-88's. We were fighting just above this wonderful white cloud layer, like there used to be in Aces of the Pacific. And just the other day I nailed a 109 in a zoom climb, and I look back over my shoulder to see him coming to a stall with the prop stopped and smoke pouring out, as I zip past. Sweeeeet.

2. Whats the stupidest thing you've ever done in a sim?

Accidentally bailing out.

3. What was the game that "started it all" for you?

Their Finest Hour is the first game that really stands out in my mind, though I was an Atari 7800 nut... "Asteroids" was my favorite game.


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Gavin
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posted 01-27-2000 01:22 PM     Profile for Gavin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Coolest thing? There have been many in EAW, that's why I love it! Some of my favorites are:

- The time a mauled Heinkel came gliding into the middle of London, and exploded after hitting a church steeple, good thing it wasn't a Sunday!

- The time I got my engine shot up in a Hurricane, turned it off, glided back to the nearest airfield, then turned it back on for the 30 secs of power I needed to land perfectly. As my plane rolled to a stop, the engine died.

- The time a lone AI Spit headed out to sea after the Jerries. Must have been 'Sailor' Mahan, I could almost hear him swearing his New Zealand accent and shaking his fist at the Heinkels. I pretty much wrote off this spit but decided to watch for fun. The force he was going in against was approx. 12 Heinkels with about 8 109 escorts.

Well, this AI pilot flew in, attacking a Heinkel, blowing it's engine off. A 109 got on his tail and he promptly turned the tables and shot the 109 down. Then he got on the tail of another Heinkel and drove him into the sea, machine gunning him all the way down. Then he chased after ANOTHER 109, and shot HIM down! Finally, he damaged a third 109 as he ran out of ammo, then turned home scott free, leaving the final 109 to it's fate in the Channel. I couldn't believe it!

- Worst blunder? Yeah, the ALT-B has ruined my day too on at least one occasion. My favorite blunder, though was when I followed a Hurricane back to it's field in my 110 one day. He suddenly jammed the flaps on and slowed down to 80 mph and I overshot, man I was choked. I decided to strafe him, and did a pass that was embarrassing, overshooting him on the strafe! Next time around, I came in low, and tried to shoot him straight and level, a common rookie ground attack blunder. Sure enough, my plane suddenly started shuddering and slowing down, as the props mowed the lawn of the airfield's neighbor. I ground to a halt about 50 feet from the airfield perimeter, engines smoking and destroyed, but alive enough to hear the laughing Hurricane pilot as he sauntered out to give me a punch in the nose. Career over, POW camp for me.

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Gavin
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posted 01-27-2000 01:27 PM     Profile for Gavin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Oops, missed one.

The game that started it all for me was 'Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe'.

That game goes EVERY DAY from 43 to the end of the war, and it's a real challenge getting back to base as the German with a working airplane. The game modelled the flight engine to simplistically, though, as it was a piece of cake to glide your shot-up 109-G back home and do a perfect landing right down the main runway without power. It DID model the 109's notorious short range VERY accurately, though.

Too bad the German airfields in EAW don't have those flak towers! Those things were cool! (fun to have protecting you, and fun to waste with the P-47!)

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posted 01-27-2000 03:11 PM     Profile for Tailspin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Well the first game that I ever actually "flew" with a stick was Atari Defender! Remember that one?
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posted 01-27-2000 03:34 PM     Profile for CFrancisco   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
HHHMMM ... i dunno if you guys would remember this one. I used to play it alot at the ole arcade (yes for all you younger types.. post late 70's-80's out there it was the place where all these great big boxes were, that you played games on ...LOL) i dont remember the name of it, but... it was a wire model graphics flight sim (i guess you would call it a flight sim back then) WW1 type sit in game, where you shot up a ton of stuff from trucks to planes. I think it was called red baron (not the one from dynamix silly ) but dont quote me.. THAT! is the game i cut my teeth on.

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posted 01-27-2000 03:49 PM     Profile for HarryM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I remember Red Baron! There was another similar wireframe called Tail Gunner. And of course the original Star Wars. That trench run really gave me the sweats!

First computer sim I got hooked on was Gato on the Mac. Wire frame sub game, awesome gameplay, a true classic.

First flight sim was Hellcats, also on the Mac. Favorite bombing tactic was flying THROUGH the open hanger deck of the Japanese carrier and dropping a bomb. BOOM! Sank 'em with one bomb every time.


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Swervin Irvin
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posted 01-27-2000 04:09 PM     Profile for Swervin Irvin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I cut my teeth on Jet Fighter II. Loved barnstorming San Francisco.

Dumbest thing: flying as a FW190D-9 in an Aces Over Europe scramble mission, against veteran opponents in Mossies and P-51's with only Gunther Rall for a wingman, getting killed at least 15 times before we downed all 8 enemies, celebrating by buzzing the airfield 6 or 8 times, then stalling at 20 feet on the landing, and leaving a smoking wreck on the strip!

A fond memory: finally surviving an EF-2000 scramble mission with top gun difficulty, and making it back to the undamaged field with 13 bomber and fighter kills. This is the one where you don't taxi, you hit the wheelbrakes, then afterburners, pop the clutch and run straight out over the grass, the runway, and get airborne between two hangars. Pull a high G 180, pop off 4 of those slick long range stealthy slammers while still accellerating, pop off 4 aim120's, then a climbing 180 and run away climbing at 45 deg. to 60k, turn, dive, kill a few remaining fighters with heats, continue diving on the bombers, give em the rest of the heats, dodge a few of theirs, gun the stragglers. Took 30+ attempts to succeed, can repeat it in about 3 of 10 trys. Wingies generally take 2+ minutes to get their butts in the air, I'm usually dead before then.

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posted 01-27-2000 04:21 PM     Profile for Bigshot   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
What got me started? Atari Combat back in the early 80s.
Coolest thing I did in a sim? It was EAW naturally. I landed at an enemy airbase full of parked planes with my P38 and strafed the crap out of everything there and then took off again. HEHEHE.
Dumbest thing I ever done in a sim. Again, EAW. I Keep running into the tail end of them there damn stukas with my spit. Feel like a fool everything. But, yet, I just keep doing it.

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posted 01-27-2000 04:31 PM     Profile for BeerNBrats   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Coolest thing in a sim? My first AirWarrior online flight, early 1990s (on a PCjr!)

Stupidest thing? (Aside from not listing it and having to edit my message?) Wasting time on "space sims." (Especially all that time playing Wing Commander just waiting to get it on with Ginger Lynn...)

Started it all? Their Finest Hour. While not the first sim, it was the first one that really gave me that "you are there" feeling.

Wire frame? How young are you guys? The arcade "Red Baron" was called Blue Max. I remember sitting in a chair watching real video of WWI biplanes...you'd fire your guns (essentially flashlights) and the screen would register hits. The enemy plane would burst into flames and explode, then on to the next plane.

Funny, they'd blow up the same way every time...the planes would pass by at various angles and every once in awhile you'd get a head-on pass and that could spell doom if you didn't shoot first.

After a few months, the film...yes, actual film...would get worn and frayed...

Wow, what a game for its time....say, 1978.

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Swervin Irvin
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posted 01-27-2000 04:53 PM     Profile for Swervin Irvin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Hey Bigshot, I've NEVER seen any planes on the ground in EAW. Do the ground object details have to be maxed out? How do I do it? I'm bored with shooting up empty airbases. Please help.

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posted 01-27-2000 05:35 PM     Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
1. Coolest Thing in a sim:
The Water Faucet from which the Grand Canyon originated in Falcon 3.0 (one of many "easter eggs").

Another great moment was in ATF Gold - a custom multiplayer mission using the "Fly any aircraft" easter egg. I flew the lead C-130, while my friends on a LAN flew escort for me. Not that I'd like to play a C-130 sim, mind you, but it truly was a unique experience. Dodging missiles in a C-130 was kinda like teaching ballet to an elephant.

And in several games - flying near a ground battle, and seeing the tanks pounding on each other, with or without your help - wow.

And in Longbow II - getting shot down and landing in the middle of a friendly armored advance, just as the enemy launches an artillery strike on our position. Explosions going off everywhere... watching the Bradly about thirty feet away from me suddenly explode...

2. Stupidest Thing I've ever done:
Where do I START??? Sheesh. I've accidentally ejected a few times. Recently I accidentally JETTISONED my bombs over my target (DOH!!!!) in Falcon 4 (hmmm... maybe the kinetic energy from their drop might put a hole in the roof...)

3. Game that started it all for me:
Hah. "Adventure" started me thinking about the possibilities of computer games. Asteroids and Pac-Man combined forces to get me totally hooked on electronic games in general. But the most awesome ones that clinched it for me were "Red Baron" and "Star Wars" in the arcade.

Flight Simulator II was what hooked me on flight sims. I played the WW1 game a few times, but really, I just loved tooling around in that Piper, buzzing the towers in Chicago... it was great!

But Falcon 3.0 will forever have a very warm place in my heart. It introduced me to multiplayer - both competitive dogfights and cooperative missions. It showed me just WHY dynamic campaigns were so important to the immersion factor that any combat sim without one seems hollow. And it's attention to detail was so phenominal that I was still flying and exploring the game 3 years after it's release.


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posted 01-27-2000 06:10 PM     Profile for Utelager   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
1. greatest thing. the day i shot down 2 Migs with my Mustang in Aiw Warrior.
And Vulching (strafing) the hell out of those Migs with my A-26. 8 kills i think.

2. stupidest. Getting kick out of my Air warrior squadron for shooting a friendly.

3. the game that started it all was, well what do u think, AIR WARRIOR man! I was hooked with that game. Too bad AOL made a pay to play game. missed that game, and my A-26, and my squadron. The 37th.


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posted 01-27-2000 07:15 PM     Profile for Bigshot   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Irvin; I just set up a single mission with the P38H. Parameters:
1943
Dusk
Heavy Clouds
Armed Sweep
Caffiers - Target
4 aircraft
low altitude
Hawkins - home
P38H secondaries - small
Moderate enemy
ME410As
ME410As secondaries
Random skill
heavy AAA

I saved this one. After engaging and shooting down a few of em' they go into a landing pattern and start landing at base right below. It's a turkey shoot while they're in the landing pattern but can't get them all. The base ends up full of landing aircraft, taxing and parking aircraft. Take out the AAA and start strafing. Fun Fun Fun.


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Swervin Irvin
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posted 01-27-2000 07:23 PM     Profile for Swervin Irvin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Thanks Bigshot!

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posted 01-27-2000 11:23 PM     Profile for Sailor Malan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Gavin

Sorry to pop your bubble old chap- That accent is South African, not New Zealand, and the swearing bit is indigenous as well, the vocabulary increased by a sourjourn in the Merchant navy, that been the reason for the "Sailor" bit the boys call me. Ma and Pa callen Adolf Gysbert- The Adolf a bit risque for the present circumstances, so stick with Sailor!

Ta!

Check your six

A.G. (Sailor) Malan


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wulf_pilot
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posted 01-28-2000 07:26 AM     Profile for wulf_pilot   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Well
1. the coolest thing i did was in eaw I was flying for the germans in BoB and i was on the tail of a hurricane. another german was right next to the hurri. i shot the wing off the hurri and it twisted on its axis and knocked into the german. It borke the germans wing off too. it was weird.
2. the stupidest thing i ever did was in red
baron i used to get pissed off because i couldnt get a bead on the plane i was fighting so i would either shut my computer off right then and there or i would land and continually steer around and hit him from the ground. got a lot of kills that way.
3.the game that started it all for me was a tie between f-19 stealth and red baron.

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posted 01-29-2000 01:35 AM     Profile for bucky-s   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
1. Coolest thing may just have been wasting Antonov transports with HVARs in the old Mac A-10: Attack! Runner up: threading the tunnel through that mountain in A-10: Cuba. (funny how the most fun I've probably had was on those Stone Age sims, not the high-powered CPU hot rod stuff now -- guess I'm jaded)

2. Stupidest thing: like many others, various accidental bail-outs (oh-so-easy now with Game Commander!) and pathetic augur-ins.

3. I was also addicted to that old game arcade Red Baron (Blue Max) deal in the early '70s, but the one I played was even more archaic. On a technological level with the old '50s-'60s submarine game at the arcades. It was almost a kind of Indonesian puppet theater arrangement, where semi-translucent images or, should I say, colored shadows of Triplanes would be projected against a screen set about a yard deep in a box you stood in front of. There was some sort of a primitive joystick and trigger thingie on a ledge at about elbow height. You'd pull the trigger and try to put a bead or reddish light on the shadows, which would burst into "flame" for "kills". It was absurdly easy, but at the time, it was "the only game in town", so to speak.

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