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Hein Kill
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posted 10-15-1999 02:23 AM     Profile for Hein Kill   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Hmmm...zere seems to be much debat und not a little bit of poetic interpretation of vot it voz my old kamarade Galland said to ze fat boy zat vindy day in France.

Vel, you should know zat part of Heiny's memoirs include many recordings of his conversations in Rio viz ze gallant kamaraden of zat era und zo I haff to offer ze exact words of Galland, by Galland. No more und no less.
http://members.xoom.com/heinkill/heinfile/galland.htm

Ah how I vish I vas zere to see ze fat boy's face hahahahahhaahah!! ouch! Rommel, you schwienhund! Zis VC is agony! Your frankfurter is being Fedexed as vi speak - pls to return Heiny's eye mach schnell!


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Nurse Katrijn
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posted 10-15-1999 02:46 AM       Edit/Delete Post
Minjheer Hein Kill-
die Oberst is noch te swach om met jou te praten, Ik hebt de FEDEX boksje aan hom gewijs en hij secht dat de frankfurter daarin niet sijne syn- syne wast een mooi groote en goed versorgd- en niet so een klein verskrompelde dingetje wat by een 90-jarige hoort !- De ooge blyft- en stuur de VC aan minjheer Mark *ucker- hy soekt daarna ! (Translation- NO WAY?- I'll be banned from the forum !)

Veel dank

Katrijn (Nurse)


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Chris392
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posted 10-15-1999 02:56 AM       Edit/Delete Post
You've missed the point (again) Hein. The debate was about the Hurricane as modelled in EAW. The point is what Galland meant, not what exactly he said. He clearly did not mean he wanted to use Spitfires, rather to be free to use RAF tactics (ie not tied to escort).

Chris.


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Susanna (Nurse)
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posted 10-15-1999 03:10 AM       Edit/Delete Post
Katrijn has asked me to do a translation of the previous message: The Oberst is still to weak to speak, and can barely a finger tweak- He see FEDEX box and says "no, but nice try- little crumpled sausage was from an old man and he does not recognise it- he suggest you try to send it to mijnheer Chris 392, and please send the medal to Mark *ucker- he is pestering us for it "

Veel Dank

Susanna


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Enola Gay
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posted 10-15-1999 03:34 AM     Profile for Enola Gay   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Chris, you fall into a typical unacademic trap - attribution of intent. We cannot say what Galland meant, we can only interpret what he said. I think you are also confusing what was basically a joke Galland made to irritate Goering (he said this) with his long standing opposition to restrictive Luftwaffe tactics of the time.

From Gallands 1996 obits:

"The London Times (February 14, 1996)
General Adolf Galland - Adolf Galland, German wartime fighter ace, died on February 9 aged 83. He was born on March 19, 1912.
… He always attributed the Luftwaffe's defeat in the Battle of Britain to the fact that it was not properly deployed by Goering, who used its fighters as a strategic rather than a tactical weapon.
Thus, the Messerschmitt Me109 was used as a bomber escort - a role for which its short range made it unsuitable -rather than being used to attack the RAF's fighters. The flawed German system of using Luftflotten, air fleets of mixed fighters and bombers, rather that organising them as separate com-mands told against them when they were concentrated against the numerically inferior but tactically superior RAF in the summer of 1940.

Much of Galland's success as a fighter pilot was due to his never underestimating his opponents: unli-ke Goering he did not make the mistake of disparaging the RAF's capacities at the outset of the Battle of Britain. Indeed, he is said jokingly to have told the latter when questioned as to Luftwaffe needs du-ring the Battle, that a squadron of Spitfires would benefit the performance of his Gruppe.

The London Independent (February 14, 1996)
General Adolf Galland
by John Crossland
Galland's aggressive individualism brought him into conflict more than once with his commander-in-chief, Hermann Goering, most notoriously during a visit which the fat Reichsmarschall paid to his air-field in the Pas de Calais during the Battle of Britain. Goering, irritated by the Luftwaffe's inability to clinch victory, asked the young ace sarcastically what more he needed, to be told, "Herr Rei-chsmarschall, a squdron of Spitfires!". Galland said later that he preferred his own Messerschmitt 109's but was not prepared to let Goering get away with the jibe. "

E.G.


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Thor
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posted 10-15-1999 07:50 AM     Profile for Thor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Rio ?! What hell Galland was doing in Rio ?!

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Bookworm
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posted 10-15-1999 07:54 AM       Edit/Delete Post
Training the Argentinian Air Force Silly!!
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Thor
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posted 10-15-1999 08:01 AM     Profile for Thor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
How I suspected ...
Lets go ...
Ok, historian masters, no offense, but what Argentinian Air Force was doing in Rio ?!

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Bookworm
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posted 10-15-1999 08:03 AM       Edit/Delete Post
The Argentinian Air Force was in Argentina silly- Galland was in Rio- Phew- some people ??
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Foster Zygote
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posted 10-15-1999 08:11 AM       Edit/Delete Post
I'm sorry, but to know Galland's intent and the actual context of the famous "Spitfire statement" one has only to look to the man himself. In "The First and the Last" he states very clearly that his intent was to ridicule Goering for his bone-headed stuborn insistence on close escort. He wasn't jokeing either as he felt the matter to be of life or death seriousness.
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Thor
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posted 10-15-1999 08:19 AM     Profile for Thor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Bwaaaaahhaahahahahaha... silly ? me ?
Ok Mr Bookworm. I think that you must choose better your books.
I know, Galland went to Argentina.
Once more, last chance ...
I can´t figure why Galland and Argentinian Air Force went to Rio. Just to have fun between classes ? I don´t think so .. too far.

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Bookworm
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posted 10-15-1999 08:24 AM       Edit/Delete Post
Ok- one more time- and this is the last !
Galland was in Rio talking to Hein Kill and making tapes (Hein Kill did) of their conversation. Galland was training the Argentinian Air Force, which remained in Argentina. Galland was on holiday in Rio with one of the Argentinian Air Force Executive A/C's- Air travel shrinks the world- and now Rio is not far from Argentina ?!-

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Hein Kill
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posted 10-15-1999 08:45 AM     Profile for Hein Kill   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
When my baby
When Brunhilde smiles at me
I go to Rio
De Janiero
I'm a saucy fellow
When my baby smiles at me
Her little sun lites up my liiiiiiiife

Und I am free at last
Vot a blast!!

Ah Rio...beautiful one day, perfect ze next!


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KrashnBurn
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posted 10-15-1999 08:50 AM     Profile for KrashnBurn   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Galland was indeed in Argentina, though I didn't know about Rio Heiny...you've added an extra chapter to the Galland story:

Galland Post WWII to 1959
· May 14 1945: Begins 2 years as prisoner of war. Heavily interrogated as former General of the Fighter Arm
· March 4, 1948: Unable to fly, begins work as a forest ranger
· ~1948 - 1952: Employed by Argentina as an airforce consultant
· February 8, 1951: Presents General Peron of Argentina their first homebuilt fighter - the Pulqui II
· Fall 1952: Meets Sylvinia Countess von Donhoff
· Summer 1953: Returns to Germany
· February 12, 1954: Marries Sylvinia Countess von Donhoff
· February 7, 1955: Argentina says farewell with an Honorary Military Pilot's title and wings
· April 26, 1955: Receives special permission from military authorities to fly a Piaggio 149 jet in an Italian air show/rally. Wins 2nd Place
· ~Fall 1955: Passed over by German Defense Ministry as the chief of the new German Air Force
· ~1957: Moves to Bonn and opens an office as independent aerospace consultant

Krash


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Thor
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posted 10-15-1999 08:52 AM     Profile for Thor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
This overhead could be avoided if you answer this on the first time. More polite I think.
Well then, he went to Rio just for holiday, and not for training. See ? Like I said ...
BTW, there are 1300 miles beetwen Rio and Buenos Aires.
No resentment ...

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Holmes
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posted 10-15-1999 08:58 AM       Edit/Delete Post
Hmmm,

Methinks, Watson, Cfransisco is not fully recovered from The Attack of the Multiple Cfrans the other day.

Only Cfran says, "Bwaaaaahhaahahahahaha... "

Ergo Thor is Cfrancisco.

Someone, ring Dr Katzenjammer again, and remove the sharp instruments...

S.H.


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Colonel Plum
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posted 10-15-1999 09:04 AM       Edit/Delete Post
I accuse Rommel, in the library, with the frankfurter!

C.P.


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Thor
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posted 10-15-1999 09:11 AM     Profile for Thor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
What honor !!!
Although we fly together in the JG52 squadron, I´m not Vonhess.
Excuse me Cfran, maybe the companionship ...

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CFran
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posted 10-15-1999 09:13 AM     Profile for CFran   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
...who...what...you want me to do what?...stop yelling at me all of you!!!..GO AWAY! I cant HEAR you!

Phreeeeooooowwwwwwwwwbbbbbbbooooommmmmm!!!

Bwwwwwaaaaaaahahahahahaahahahahah!!!

Schulz! My Pather! The sirens the sirens! Slosh slosh slosh new boots new boots!

Yes mommy...Francisco wann ice kweem...


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Der Opa
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posted 10-15-1999 09:17 AM     Profile for Der Opa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Excellent, does this mean our alter-egos are free to run amok on this board once again!?

I start with a line of blue faces!

Ooooh I am bad. Bad to the booooooone. You can call me No Opa.

Get it? Ha. Ha. Ha.


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Fister Zygote
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posted 10-15-1999 09:25 AM     Profile for Fister Zygote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I am born! Out of the shell of the old Zygote and into the world, fresh clean and totally unFosterish in aspect.

Where to start? I shall start by coming clean. Clean as the newborn I am...

I bought Luftwaffe Commander and loved it. I fly SDOE more than any other sim. I prefer Falcon 4.0a to any of the patched versions. I was the one who decided to send the Apaches to Kosovo. I was responsible for the cancellation of Desert Fighters. I voted against the F22 in Congress. I have invested YOUR money in Sturmovic...

Ah, there. A clean slate. Things can only get better for the other Zygote now.


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Lud von Pipper
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posted 10-15-1999 06:19 PM     Profile for Lud von Pipper   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Fister zygote:

If I were in your boots I'd be a bit worried:
Who knows what could happen next time you start the engine in your car...


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Bookworm
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posted 10-18-1999 01:08 AM       Edit/Delete Post
Thor, old chap !

Sorry for been a bit brisk the other day- I know the customer is always right, except when they are wrong !

Anyway to cheer you up a bit, hear this one in the "Rose" the past week-end, and thought I would share it with you, to make up for not giving a full explanation the other day !

Thor had the habbit of "testing" out the new vestal virgins as they were recruited. One particular night he had quite a run-in with one of the new recruits, and really wore the poor girl out.

The next morning, feeling a bit ashamed of his dastardly behaviour the previous night, he decides to tell the vestal virgin that she spent the night with one of the great gods, and that she should feel honoured.

Walks up to her and says- "I'm Thor"

She replies " Thor, thor, what do you meant you're thor, I'm so thor I can't pith"

Have a nice day

Bookworm



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Thor
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posted 10-18-1999 08:17 AM     Profile for Thor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
These little things makes the EAW comunity so special .
No problem Bookworm, youre welcome.
We both were right, just sharing knowledgement.
BTW, nice story, I like that.
Thor, from Rio ...

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