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AirFoil
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posted 10-31-2000 07:33 PM     Profile for AirFoil   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
No flames please.

Is anyone buying this semi-sim? It might be fun to fly online, supports up to 16 players DM or Co-op.


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posted 10-31-2000 08:41 PM     Profile for +G   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I won't be, the screen shots on their last product border on false advertizing.

I like a caboose with my train and rails...
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posted 11-01-2000 02:35 AM     Profile for Akulashaker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Air-Quake (the Quake mod) supports more players, and it should be about as realistic

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posted 11-01-2000 03:08 AM     Profile for GrahamD   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'd certainly like to see a demo of it. It's a novel idea and could work. I'm glad that they havn't given up with flight sims as so many other developers have and for that reason I wish them all the best with this title.
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posted 11-01-2000 07:20 AM     Profile for Akulashaker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
GrahamD > It all depends on your definition of a "sim", of course.

If this game sells well (which I'm afraid it will), funds previously allocated to _true_ sims will suddenly shift over to clones of it.

Think about it for a moment. Then re-consider your support.

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posted 11-01-2000 08:56 AM     Profile for GrahamD   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
If its just a case of funding, I think developers will go for first person shooters. If you want to get more people playing flight sims you need to provide somewhere for them to start. I'd still rather see Mission Studios continuing this line than switching to beat-em-ups.
Will light sims take over if this sells well? I don't think so, after all, they've been around for a long time. This is the fourth in the JF series, not to mention all the Novalogic titles. The only mistake which developers have made in the past is marketing them as "realistic", which has and will earn them bad press. I hope Mission Studios has learned from this.

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posted 11-01-2000 10:42 AM     Profile for mbaxter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well Fighters Anthology is the game that really got me interested in simming. I probably won't get JFIV but I hope it does well because these light sim/arcade games really do stimulate interest in serious simming, if my experience is any guide.
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posted 11-01-2000 12:08 PM     Profile for Akulashaker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Mike, my gloom view of the product derives soely from the previews I've seen so far. If JF-4 proves a second USNF/FA, that will be great. I have the expectation, however, that it is not going to cover the basics of modern air warfare, in the way they were so artfully mastered in FA. Maybe I'm a pessimist, maybe a guy who has grown bitter and cynic from all the BS being thrown right and left. We'll just have to see.

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posted 11-01-2000 01:52 PM     Profile for Raptor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'm buying it... just for the heck of it... and besides, I wanna fly over my own hometown
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posted 11-01-2000 07:39 PM     Profile for AirFoil   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I here ya Raptor. I wonder if I'll be able to strafe a 680 Traffic jam...

Good one Akulashaker!

I think I'll be picking up JF4 as a "downtime" game. Something to play when I'm not in a hardcore mood. I'm curious how realistic the carrier landings are. Heh, I 'm hoping for something a little more intense than Top Gun for the ORIGINAL Nintendo Entertainment System. LOL!!!!


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posted 11-01-2000 08:17 PM     Profile for gbarclay   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Grahamd,
While I agree with your post I am of the opinion that the word "realistic" is ambiguous.
There never has been nor will there ever be a "realistic" sim playable on a computer. Even the real thing has flaws.

In my opinoin there is a far greater market for lite sims than hard core. Not everybody has the time or the patience to learn how to fly Janes F-18 or Falcon 4 with all it's add ons.

I'll buy JF4 for an evening of lite entertainment.


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posted 11-01-2000 11:05 PM     Profile for Snapdad2112     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I just bought it today.
Only because i'm a fan since the original that I played back on the Amiga500. It was the first sim ever that had 'carrier ops'.

Boy, what a hog it is... It plays only in 16 bit (high or low)...

My system specs:

P3 550
256mb RAM
GeForce2 256gt 32mb DDR

what else should you know? latest detonator drivers, etc?

I have to play it in 640x480 folks. I did install the 2nd disc, the hi-res package. I do not know how that affects gameplay other than more geographical area... but man... I was surprised that I can't play it at a higher res.

I can't really use my joystick (a M$ ff pro)
like a real military flight stick in the sense that my hat doesn't pan my head around the cockpit... odd.

Anyways... my beef is this:

The box has a gamespy industries logo on it. Gamespy doesn't support the game (yet) as far as I can tell. What gives? I knew it was gonna be not realistic, but just semi-real, kinda cool just flying a fast jet around and blowing stuff up. How am I to try it online?

Snap


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posted 11-02-2000 03:05 AM     Profile for GrahamD   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
GBarclay, you're right of course. It would hardly be good marketting to call a game unrealistic. The important thing is targetting the right market. If it makes claims of having the most realistic flight model, or whatever, it will get reviewed against that standard. If its marketed as the most fun, action packed blast of the millenium then it will be judged by that standard.

I enjoyed Jetfighter III. I might get Jetfighter IV, depending on when they finally decide when they're going to release Typhoon, which I am most looking forward to.


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posted 11-02-2000 07:41 AM     Profile for SnakeIz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Snapdad2112:
I just bought it today.
Only because i'm a fan since the original that I played back on the Amiga500. It was the first sim ever that had 'carrier ops'.

Boy, what a hog it is... It plays only in 16 bit (high or low)...

My system specs:

P3 550
256mb RAM
GeForce2 256gt 32mb DDR

what else should you know? latest detonator drivers, etc?

I have to play it in 640x480 folks. I did install the 2nd disc, the hi-res package. I do not know how that affects gameplay other than more geographical area... but man... I was surprised that I can't play it at a higher res.

I can't really use my joystick (a M$ ff pro)
like a real military flight stick in the sense that my hat doesn't pan my head around the cockpit... odd.

Anyways... my beef is this:

The box has a gamespy industries logo on it. Gamespy doesn't support the game (yet) as far as I can tell. What gives? I knew it was gonna be not realistic, but just semi-real, kinda cool just flying a fast jet around and blowing stuff up. How am I to try it online?

Snap



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posted 11-02-2000 07:42 AM     Profile for SnakeIz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Where did you get it? I preordered it from Gamestop and they are saying that the shipping date is Nov 6.


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Originally posted by Snapdad2112:
I just bought it today.
Only because i'm a fan since the original that I played back on the Amiga500. It was the first sim ever that had 'carrier ops'.

Boy, what a hog it is... It plays only in 16 bit (high or low)...

My system specs:

P3 550
256mb RAM
GeForce2 256gt 32mb DDR

what else should you know? latest detonator drivers, etc?

I have to play it in 640x480 folks. I did install the 2nd disc, the hi-res package. I do not know how that affects gameplay other than more geographical area... but man... I was surprised that I can't play it at a higher res.

I can't really use my joystick (a M$ ff pro)
like a real military flight stick in the sense that my hat doesn't pan my head around the cockpit... odd.

Anyways... my beef is this:

The box has a gamespy industries logo on it. Gamespy doesn't support the game (yet) as far as I can tell. What gives? I knew it was gonna be not realistic, but just semi-real, kinda cool just flying a fast jet around and blowing stuff up. How am I to try it online?

Snap



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posted 11-02-2000 10:37 AM     Profile for Swampthing   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
He downloaded Illegal copy more than likely as it came out for download yesterday. A friend of mine downloads about every game in existence since he's on cable and he had this one as well. Needless to say I about pissed myself laughing at this game. The graphics are TERRIBLE, the game doesn't even "fly" on what i'd call rails, it's actually worse. The gunfire is hilarious, the sounds are terrible. For some strange reason I had a flashback to old atari 2600 games when hearing the sound in this game.

He got this game for free and he loves flight sims and games and he deleted it. That should tell you something, he won't even play the game for free. This is quite possibly the worst aircraft game i've ever played, in fact i've seen better flight sims on the dreamcast.


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posted 11-02-2000 12:22 PM     Profile for Snapdad2112     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
WRONG.

I got it at Electronics Boutique for 39.95.

Thanks.

I'm actually returning it today.

And remember kids, when you point a finger at someone, there are three of them pointing back at you.

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posted 11-02-2000 01:24 PM     Profile for Swampthing   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well congratulations to you there snapdad, you actually paid for that crap hehe.

Guess which finger i'm holding up now?

:P


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posted 11-02-2000 01:25 PM     Profile for Softball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, I am not one to slam a game, but JF-IV is BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!

Mine is going back! This has to be by far the worst representation of a flight sim I have ever seen. I REALLY tried to like it for over 6 hours(Can you believe it!?). I kept thinking, What a JOKE! I too loaded the High Res Textures,(Which take up close to 1.5GB, OUCH!) and it looked about the same as low res, if not worse. The graphics are sub-par to todays standards. However, the frame rates were excellent. Novalogics F-22 III was better in all areas IMO.(Where DID I put THAT disc?) The 3D cockpit is so blocky and jagged, I kept wondering if this was a 1990s game engine?

I also had problems getting my MS FF2 stiick to work properly. The hat switch was a no go, I could only program each direction to a specific key, it was not used as a POV switch. The Throttle on my MS FF2 was non existant. I enable it in the game, and NADA. I had to turn it off and use the Keyboard as a throttle. Needless to say, I am glad I bought it at EB, at least I can exchange/return it.

Bottom line, if you are NOT a serious simmer, and are looking for some arcade action, JF-IV IS for you. For now, I'll stick with Janes F-18, Falcon 4, and MS CFS2. If you ignore what everyone else is saying about it(BAD THINGS), and you buy it anyway, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!! IMO, stay FAR AWAY from JF-IV. If you need another kick, think Gunship!, but with wings.

--Softball


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posted 11-02-2000 02:43 PM     Profile for Snapdad2112     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, if some people could read, my first post on this topic STARTS with the line:
I just BOUGHT this game.

Anyways...

Last poster said they had great frame rates?
Can you post your system specs?

It was ALMOST a slide-show on my p3 550 blah blah blah... (already posted my specs.)

MAYBE if it played smooth, I would have kept it, but I took it back and instead bought Sega Marine Fishing and a fishing controller for my Dreamcast.


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posted 11-02-2000 05:36 PM     Profile for Softball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
My system specs are as follows:

Asus CUSL2 i815 Chipset
P-III 700E w/ Golden Orb HS Fan
256MB PC-133 Micron SDRAM
V3 3500TV w/ latest drivers
SBLive w/ Liveware 3.1 drivers
IBM ATA/100 30GB HD
Plextor 12x/10x/32x IDE CDRW Drive
19" Viewsonic PF790 Flat Screen Monitor
Windows 98SE
Dirext X 7.0a
MS FF2 USB Joystick

The only game out there that slows down my system is Janes F-18(Max graphics) and MS FS2000 PE, Max graphics. Everything else is very smooth.
If the V5 6000 doesn't come out by December, I am getting a V5 5500 AGP. That should hold me over for another year or so. I have had my V3 3500 for a little over a year and I have been extremely pleased with it. It will soon start showing it's age. Some of the games coming out now are recommending a minimum of 16MB Video memory.

Another note on the FPS for JF4, I was running it at 1024x768 resolution, all graphics maxed out. I am taking it back tonight. Before I do, I will run FRAPS and see what kind of FPS I am actually getting.

--Softball

[This message has been edited by Softball (edited 11-02-2000).]


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posted 11-02-2000 10:20 PM     Profile for AirFoil   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Is it really THAT bad? Maybe I won't pick it up.

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posted 11-03-2000 03:40 AM     Profile for Softball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, maybe I was a little harsh earlier, but I managed to play around with JF-IV for a few more hours, and I have changed my judgement of JF-IV from BAD to POOR. I was flying around getting the feeling that I was a UFO. So I decided to tone down the sensitivity of the joystick setting to 65% and it makes the FM and aircraft handling SEEM better. The terrain graphics still stink IMO, but the 3D models of the exteriors are OK. I still get that ARCADE feeling while flying around.

I ran some tests with FRAPS to test the FPS. My tests ranged anywhere from 10 FPS to 35 FPS. Even when the FPS dropped down to 10, there was no noticable slow down. So I don't know if the FRAPS results were wrong or what, but my entire flight was smooth sailing.

I took some screen shots so you can be the judge on the graphics. I would say that they are about equal to the graphics on IAF. At least they look the same. There are some cockpit shots and terrain shot for your viewing pleasure.

Even after another night of flying JF-IV around, I still can't take a liking to it. Maybe if they can spruce up the terrain graphics abit, fix the FM, and fix the joystick problems(Throttle wont work on my MS FF2 USB), I'll consider buying it again. I guess I have been spolied with Janes F-18 and F4.
Here is the URL for the screenshots:
JF-IV Screenshots

Enjoy!

--Softball


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posted 11-03-2000 11:49 AM     Profile for AirFoil   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks for the screenshots Softball! The terrain doesn't look as "photorealistic" as advertised. Even at 20K feet the terrain looks shabby. Is the terrain a distraction during gameplay? I can deal with less-than-spectacular terrain if I am captivated by the gameplay.

Is there a storyline? Is there any immersion?

quote:
I was flying around getting the feeling that I was a UFO.

LOL!!!! Have you tried Crimson Skies? If so, would you say the physics are more/less "relaxed" than Crimson Skies?

The real key for me is online play. I'm guessing you didn't test that part of the game. Hell, there probably isn't anybody to fly with. One of the things that has kept me from CFS2 is that it is way too easy to cheat online. MS could have at least thrown in a sanity check on some of the data files.

JF18 has excellent online play although I haven't played it in a while. The reason I stopped playing was due to the lack of pilots on Combat.Net. Has this changed?

As you can guess, I'm focused on finding an immersive online experience.

Sorry for the tangent.

-Foil

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posted 11-03-2000 02:05 PM     Profile for Softball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
AirFoil,
Those are some excellent questions. And you know what, I don't know. I have just been messin around with Free flight and Random Missions to get the feel for the aircraft handling and graphics. I was planning on returning it today at lunch, but I will wait till next week(I have 10 days to return it to EB). I will run through the campaign and TRY to play online over the weekend and see how it plays out. It's sad that my MS FF2 stick isnt working properly. I might have to break out my F-15 Talon and try it that way.

I agree with you, if there is a good story line and good Multiplayer in a game, then I guess I can deal with subpar graphics. Just look at Steel Beasts, no 3D graphics per say, but an EXCELLENT single player/online tank sim. Good framerates are a plus as well. As with any online game(Besides Diablo II, Closed battlenet), there will ALWAYS be people who cheat. That's why you have to find a HONEST group of people to fly with. I know that's not an easy feat, but it is possible. It is sad that people have to cheat to win a game. My experience with online cheaters was with Diablo and Half Life Counter strike. There's always a bad apple out there somewhere. If people want to cheat, that's fine. Just as long as they do it with other cheaters.

Anyways, sorry for getting side tracked there. I will give you a full update over the weekend or next week and let you know how the JF-IV gameplay and immersion is. I'll even try to get some more screenshots.


--Softball


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Guys, I'm sorry i can't find any excuse to keep this on my HD. It just sucks!
I knew it would be a little corny, but not this bad.
I was so looking forward to hopping in the Tomcat, but this GAME (not even worthy of that title) just dishonors the F14.
Games like this make me glad EB has a return policy within 10 days.

Please don't tell me this is the future of simming, my heart can't take it.


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posted 11-03-2000 08:37 PM     Profile for JimG   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well I sincerely thank all of you who have been honest about JF4. I actually considered trying it out even though I am a hardcore guy. My very first sim was JF2...1992...and I absolutely loved it. I always was looking for a JF3 and when it finally did come out, I was very dissapointed...things had changed. And now, I thought maybe, just maybe these guys might have made something that was decent enough to have a little fun with. Of course, I guess the tailpipes are always cherry red .
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Though I have yet to have any experience in JF4 I did play JF3 & JF Full Burn. JF3 in its day w/ 3DFX was actually pretty fun. Accuracy aside, I am not a pilot, it was fun to play.

Most people hated Strike Commander which simulation wise was horrid in flight dynamics and such. It however was a very playable game and I enjoyed it a great deal.

Full Burn somewhat reminded me of Strike Commander in many ways. Kinda a cross of adventure and flight sim if you will?

We sell oodles of various sims and while many people adore as much accuracy as possible alot of people just enjoy a good play. W/ 3DFX I enjoyed both JF 3 & Full Burn. I never tried Full Burn w/o a 3DFX board so I presume it becomes quite lackluster?

I also assume JF 4 has added full support via Direct X etc?

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