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posted 05-24-2000 08:30 AM     Profile for Tracer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
MILITARY OFFICIALS tell NBC News that at least one, perhaps two, Air Force Thunderbird F-16ís came too close to an American Airlines jet and another small private
plane Monday.

Read the full story here: http://www.msnbc.com/local/WRC/485273.asp

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posted 05-24-2000 09:12 AM     Profile for '   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"...3miles or 1000 feet" ???????
So what is the ACTUAL normal separation.

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posted 05-25-2000 11:16 PM     Profile for Major Tom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I heard the Thunderbirds set some kind of record for DEALS that day. They are no Blue Angels, that's for sure
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posted 05-26-2000 06:50 AM     Profile for VF+T   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
A friend who attended the show Saturday commented on the lameness of the T-birds performance. We both assumed it was due to the weather but maybe one of the pilots had a cold or allergies...
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posted 05-26-2000 07:16 AM     Profile for TroyAir   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
There was a recent article about how there's so much competition among air show presenters to have the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds as performers that the BA and T-B have had to set a limit on the number of shows they can do in a year. In order to qualify for the "A" list, the presenters have to meet certain qualifications, one of which is a certain amount of available "clear" airspace.

Guess which air show just got bumped from next year's "A" list.

But one guy's loss is another guy's gain, so one lucky community that's never seen a high-performance Thunderbirds performance just got an opportunity.


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posted 05-26-2000 08:33 AM     Profile for Hapy4evr   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thats weird.

I had just finished seeing the Thunderbirds at the March AFB airshow about a week before (Riverside California) and the flew an absolutly fantastic show

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posted 05-26-2000 10:42 AM     Profile for Jedi Master   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Commercial airliners maintain an amazing amount of separation. A couple miles horizontally and at least 1000ft vertically unless they're in takeoff or landing slots. Of course, private planes fly much closer to each other. I don't know what alt the Tbirds were at, but it sounds as if they're applying Boeing and Airbus standards to planes a fraction of their size. But that's the media.
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posted 05-26-2000 10:58 AM     Profile for VF+T   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Two GA airports, Rose Valley and Hyde Field, are tucked up tight against the Andrews control zone, between the base and the Potomac. It takes only a moments inattention to penetrate Andrew's airspace. Wonder if one of my GA brothers or sisters had a bit of a mental lapse that day?
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posted 05-26-2000 12:52 PM     Profile for Major Tom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It sounds like an awful lot of room on paper, but it really isn't. Having two jets with a couple hundred feet seperation in altitude and 2 miles from eachother, on interceptin courses, that is a very dangerous situation.
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posted 05-26-2000 01:26 PM     Profile for Lucky_1   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
What the reporter means to say is that planes usually are 3 miles apart if at the same altitude, and 1000ft in difference.

It all depends if what directon a plane is headed, then it will be assigned an odd altitude number or an even one.

I've seen the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels in person, I think the ThunderBirds are much better.

Maybe they look better because of the smaller plane they use makes the formations look more tight. Or maybe they are just better.

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posted 05-28-2000 01:54 PM     Profile for VF+T   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
From the Sunday, May 28, Washington Post Metro section:

"The Thunderbirds, the Air Force's elite flying team, rattled air traffic controllers in the region when the eight-plane squadron unexpetedly scattered in different directions, forcing several civilian planes to get out of the way. One F-16 was barreling toward a 3,500-foot ridge of the Blue Ridge Mountains before controllers warned the pilot to climb 6,000 feet to avoid a collision, while two other high-performance jets violated restricted airspace over Vice President Gore's residence."


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Maj. Tom's right, they're no Blue Angels.
Sorry, just had to get that in.

They were flying a show for crowds at Andrews AFB to the east of Washington DC? That is durn congested airspace. The Blue Ridge Mountains are on the other side of DC. The article at MSNBC has expired, could someone exlpain that range on their flight path? Am I confused? And VF+T, are those airports you mentioned in Georgia? What am I missing? Seriously, I'd like to know.


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posted 05-29-2000 07:06 AM     Profile for VF+T   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Go Navy!, I abbreviated General Aviation as GA. Yes, that airspace is mighty congested but I assumed think the Post article was referring to the group's departure after the airshow ended. I cannot believe this happended during a performance.

I checked my Washington sectional chart and Washington Executive/Hyde Field is about 6 miles SE of Andrews, and Potomac Airfield (sorry, not Rose Valley) is about 7 miles SE.

Sounds like they were departing west and northwest. The VP's prohibited area appears to be about 5 miles north-northwest of National.

Maybe this was a parting shot at some less than cooperative ATC folk.


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