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Turbo
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posted 11-02-1999 09:50 AM     Profile for Turbo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I enquired at a software dealer that's always in the know when it comes to release dates (Europe) and they said that SH was cancelled and it will not be released (not even the Gold version). Can anybody confirm this? Is this why they have been so very quiet? If this is true then I'm very, very disappointed. I was really looking forward to SH.
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posted 11-02-1999 10:31 AM     Profile for Yorkshire Tea   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'd be very surprised if it has been cancelled. The last thing I heard was that it had gone gold for release on the 12th November in the UK (delayed from the 29th October). I've got a copy on pre-order from Game. Maybe Raz or someone from DI will drop by and give us a yay or nay.

The reviews for the game (FWIW) have also been positive, both PC Gamer (UK) and PC Zone have given SH over 90%, so I wouldn't see a reason to pull it. The SH website (http://www.superhornet.com) was also updated as recently as the 29th.

The only downside I can see is that SH will be going head to head with Flanker 2 in the UK (both released within 1 week of each other, that makes for an interesting week )



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I'd really like to know what the "dealer"s information source is. SimHQ still has the release dates in Nov '99(UK) and Q1 2k(US).

I hope to hell a FA-18 sim comes out soon. I'm bored to death with being killed in F4. Much rather die in a SuperHornet.


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posted 11-02-1999 04:45 PM     Profile for Obi Offiah   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I visited Electronic Boutique today and they did'nt even have Super Hornet listed !?.

Obi Offiah


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posted 11-02-1999 05:41 PM     Profile for vakero   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I really don't think so. I just saw a brand new preview for it on Gamespot or Gamespot UK, I can't remember. It's looking pretty good, nothing like Jane's F/A-18 though.
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posted 11-03-1999 01:48 AM     Profile for daveb   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It will be out shortly. I spoke to someone at DI last Friday.

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posted 11-03-1999 04:42 AM     Profile for Turbo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I called a couple of other software shops that used to have it in their databases and they don't show it as being listed anymore either. Totally gone. I guess it's probably true that it's cancelled.
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posted 11-03-1999 05:58 AM     Profile for daveb   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Turbo,
I am going to call DI in an hour's time to ask their support guys.
I think these rumours are nonsense.

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posted 11-03-1999 06:00 AM     Profile for daveb   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Obi,
If you went into Electronic Boutique and asked them what planet we are on they wouldn't know :-)

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posted 11-03-1999 06:42 AM     Profile for hoser     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
FWIW, I have the sim pre-ordered from gameplay.com. I received email today saying their expecting a November 19 release date and 5 to 10 days shipping time to the US.

Seems to me its still alive!

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posted 11-03-1999 08:17 AM     Profile for daveb   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have just spoken to DI again. It IS NOT CANCELLED. It is expected the end of the 2nd week of November. I have advised DI to make this clear.
So for anyone still unclear, it is not cancelled.

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posted 11-03-1999 09:05 AM     Profile for tomcat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I just read the gamespot.co.uk preview of SH, and it sounds like DI's SH won't have a dynamic campaign, has anyone else heard this?
I'm trying to decide between it and Jane's SH, and I'm kinda leaning toward DI's version, so I just wanted to know has anyone else heard about no dynamic campaign too?

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posted 11-03-1999 09:54 AM     Profile for Yorkshire Tea   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah, they (DI) are doing a DID. Remember F22-ADF becoming TAW at a later date? Well DI are doing the same with Super Hornet. Sometime in 2000 it will become Super Hornet Gold with dynamic campaigns. There was some mention of a rebate to original Hornet owners AFAIK.

Personally I have no problem with this splitting of software. Given the time I spend on a sim compared to other games, I don't mind paying twice for a dynamic campaign. (i.e. I've spend 100s of hours playing EF2000 + Tactcom and F22ADF + Mission Disk + TAW, compared with only 18 hours to finish System Shock 2).


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posted 11-04-1999 07:31 AM     Profile for tomcat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It looked to me (I could have been mistaken, but I usually have decent reading comprehension)that there wasn't going to be a dynamic campaign period, nothing about a later date release of one.
Also, like I said, I'm kinda looking more toward DI's sim than Jane's, at least for now. But, (and I've asked this question at superhornet.com and haven't recived a replyeven though it's a month ago) I don't know if DI's will have a full CVW of Vikings, SH-60's, E-2's, F-14's. Anyways, will there be a full air wing? Or what about a full battle group? Anyone know? I'm sure Jane's will, 'cause I've seen Tomcats and Spruances, Perrys Ticos in their official screenshots. Personally, I don't like how 'the boat' looks in Jane's version, sort of. It looks a bit too light grey, and I don't know about the superstructure. I just looked again to be sure, however, and it is really good. What kind of campaign will Janes's version have? So, (In summary )will DI's have a whole CVBG/CVW? Who knows what kinda campaign Jane's version will have? And, it looked, at least to me, that the gamespot article said DI's SH won't have a dynamic campaign at all. Any help/comments would be appreciated, thanks in advance, folks! These boards are sweet! I love talking about this stuff! thanks combatsim!

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posted 11-04-1999 10:03 AM     Profile for Turbo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I hope you're right, DaveB. I do have a lot of confidence in the software dealer, though. Back in March they said that SH wouldn't be released until November -December time frame when everybody else said April-May (I posted that message back in March too) and DI said "in a few weeks" back then too. I think Obi called them back then to confirm it as well (or maybe it was Lead-Head), but where is it? They have been super silent for a very long time, no one has heard anything from them. Like I posted earlier, two other software shops no longer show it in their databases. What's the truth, DI? Is it cancelled or not?
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posted 11-04-1999 10:25 AM     Profile for Blaze   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
tomcat,

I'm curious, why'd you prefer DI's F-18 over Jane's? The only feature in DI's that Jane's doesn't have is the "people on the flight deck".
OTOH, reading the Jane's interview here and all the info their team gives on various message boards, while getting virtually no word from DI, it's really hard to stay unbiased either. ;-)

Blaze


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posted 11-04-1999 10:43 AM     Profile for tomcat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Blaze,
I kinda preferred DI's because I liked the visible deck crew, yeah, but I also like how the jet looks, and the CV, compared to Jane's. I think DI's was the first I heard about too, so I was already on a DI kick. I've looked at Jane's a bit more of late, and it's becoming more and more appealing to me though. That screenshot on Jane's page called the American fleet does look great, but, like I said in my ast post, the superstructure looks a bit odd, at IMHO. Maybe it's just the angle. Right now, my bias is just about disappeared since I know for a fact there's a full CVBG/CVW in Jane's -at least if the screenshots are any indication-. Plus, you can tank from Hoovers too-that's neat. Two (?) more questions in addition to mine above (can anyone answer them too?): What kind of campaign does Jane's version have? Dynamic? Semi? Also, where does it take place? I downloaded the 'demo' of your site too, Blaze, thanks for posting it.. Haven't played a Jane's demo yet (wonder why ), so that likely contributed to my DI bias too. Hopefully Janes' will be better. Here's a suggestion for your F/A-18 demo Jane's: Put in the carrier (and You). Have a mission where there's NO TIME LIMIT, and say you ave to mix it up with an Su-27, and strafe a Slava, and land. Keep it under ~45 Megs too. No problem, right!
tomcat

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posted 11-04-1999 04:11 PM     Profile for Blaze   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I rather have the challenge of a pitching, rolling deck on approach than little 3D men ruining the FPS count at the most critical moment.

As for that demo, it actually pushed me away from SH somewhat by it's looks and limits (prolly the reason why Di didn't like it being offered), I for sure wouldn't download it myself. ;-)

Not sure if one could call the campaign in Jane's F/A-18E "semi dynamic", AFAIK it's scripted and branching (something about 'cells', read the interview here! ;-) with some persistant damage and it's taking place at the North Cape.

Blaze


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posted 11-04-1999 05:54 PM     Profile for tomcat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah, in recent weeks I've been growing more fond of Jane's sim. I see what you mean about the pitching deck thing. I can get by playing Fleet Defender (now THERE, in my opinion, is a sim they should update and re-release!!) without deckies, so it's nothing new. I certainly wouldn't refure them though, I want every detail possible, I've read about CVN Air for the past, like 9 years, so it takes a pretty convincing flight-op experience to get me immersed. Hopefully both sims will deliver. One thng I did like about the terrain in SH demo was that it didn't hurt the FPS at all.
Thanks for te response too, Blaze, at least some of my q's were answered. What's AFAIK mean, btw? What about markings on the jets, btw? They're not just plain grey are they? I know the F-14's in F2 have VF-51 markings on 'em, even though they've been disestablished. DI's had VFA-125 (I think) with lotsa markings..


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posted 11-05-1999 09:41 AM     Profile for daveb   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Blaze,
I advised DI to post to this forum. They haven't! Unless they are lying they were adamant that it has taken them 2 years to produce the code and will be available. I am in the UK and if I see it I'll let you know. What annoys me is that having been advised to let people know they declined to do so. Personally, I think it all boils down to professionalism. They couldn't be bothered to post a message to a sim board that proudly boasts 427,000 readers a month. A post that took me 2 mins to write. IMHO they deserve in business terms to fail. God help those who need support is all I can say.

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posted 11-05-1999 09:45 AM     Profile for daveb   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
AFAIK = As Far As I Know

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Hi,
I'm reviewing DI's Super Hornet at the moment
so here's some info you may find helpful:
1) It has not been cancelled!
2) The graphical representation is very good,
(up to 1024x768).
3) The flight model is convincing, even to the extent that you may feel it to be a little too easy to fly, but reading up on the subject it does perform close to the full size version!
4) The Flight Deck activity is immersive.
5) Weather is modelled, rain, wind and snow!
6) There is no 'Campaign' as such, but personally it does not spoil my enjoyment, or reduce the sim's longevity, there's so much to do in the 'office'.
7) The cockpit is totally interactive.
8)This sim gives you the feeling that you are training to type rather than playing a game and therefore has more of a training 'Simulation' feel in the true sense of the word, than a 'wargame', which perhaps most sims are.
Conclusion - Think of DI's Super Hornet as a cross between DI's original Tornado and Janes F-15.

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posted 11-05-1999 05:28 PM     Profile for Blaze   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Derek, what version are you reviewing?
To put it another way, has it gone gold?

Blaze


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what is the web site that has the demo?!?! Thanks

Good Hunting,

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Hi Blaze,
To my knowledge Super Hornet has not gone Gold as yet. But I would think that it will do in the next few days.
The version I have is a so-called 'beta' version. I say 'so-called' because as yet
I have not discovered any 'bugs'
or 'irritations!' Some of the UK mags over here have already reviewed SH, giving it marks around the 90%. For more info, head over to DI's SH web site at http://www.superhornet.com/
I was told about a week a ago that the DI guys are 'tweaking' and polishing the end product - basically making it as good as it can be!
Hope this helps.

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posted 11-06-1999 12:44 AM     Profile for Boxman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
With all due respect Derek,
I question the validity of your post. On this very site more than a week ago, it was stated that DI's SH went gold. You do not give any specific details in your post and you use the all to familiar 'campaign', 'office' & 'wargame'. The " quotes " are simply for looks. There is no substance to anything you wrote. No details, no insight, nothing that leads me to believe you are 'in the know' or testing anything, especially because, as I already stated, it was reported here it went gold over a week ago. If I am wrong, fine, I am the first to admit, I AM AN *** . But, as I said, your post is vague at best. Please, if you are going to claim to be "in the know" then at least back it up with details.

Boxman out. (I know the flames are coming, "if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the f$%king kitchen."


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Hi Boxman,
With all due respect Boxman:
1) I think you should chill a bit, expletives like "if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the f$%king
kitchen." are unnecessary and unproductive - sorry to let you know man, but this is just a hobby!!!
2) If you read my post properly, you would have taken in that I said 'to my knowledge', it had not gone gold!
3) The main reason for my post was to let people know that SH had not been cancelled -
the additional info was intended as a very brief outline of the sim.
4) I don't really care whether you believe I'm in the know or not, that isn't why I made the post!
5) With regard to SH going Gold you say, "On this very site more than a week ago, it was stated that DI's SH went gold". Well, I found this post in the Combatsim's forum under Jets - Super Hornet, dated 11-3-99 -
the post says - "End of 2nd Week of November. Spoke to DI today.
Best wishes,
Dave B.
6) You say - "If I am wrong, fine, I am the first to admit, I AM AN *** - Now's the time!
7) Bottom line is - Super Hornet has not been cancelled!
8) N.B. - Don't forget, this hobby is meant to be fun!

Regards,
Derek


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posted 11-06-1999 01:47 PM     Profile for Blaze   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Vapor,

you'll find the demo on the Links page at my website http://1st-blaze.euhost.com


Derek,

roger that, so when and where can we expect to see your conclusions?
The 'gold' question was mainly to validate the supposed release date. With it's not beeing
gold yet, I doubt it's really beeing released in one weeks time.
As far as the "reviews" in the UK magazines go, those numbers (based on probably even older
versions than you got) don't mean anything to me, sorry. ;-)

Blaze


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posted 11-06-1999 04:44 PM     Profile for Jon   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have to admit DI SH does look very promising. I'd buy it in a heartbeat. It's just to bad that DI/Titus have their heads jammed way too far up their poopchutes to realize that they'd serve themselves better to release the product in the US in November too, instead of waiting until bloody January or February. Same comment applies to Rowan where MiG alley is concerned. I mean, come on, tell me exactly what they're gaining by waiting 4 months between European and US release...

There, I vented. I feel much better now...


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As far as SH is concerned it means that you'll get the "Gold" edition int the first release while we Europeans will get the lower-grade, non-dynamic campaign version first.
http://www.fly-to/lead-head

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I don't see the big deal,if you want SH buy from the U.K.,geez what's it gonna cost ya maybe 15.00 (u.s.)more. Same with Mig Alley, it has never been easier to do just that.

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The big deal, Jack, is that I'd prefer to buy from my friendly local EB where I know they'll take it back no questions asked if I have a problem or simply don't like it. Plus, why the hell should I be willing to fork out an extra $15?

Jon


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Because you're a flight sim nut?
But then, you're obviously not. ;-)

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SO, let me get this straight. The way I am interpreting these posts now is this. SH will not be released in the US until it has gone to the, "GOLD EDITION" with the dynamic campaign. Meaning that it will not be released state side until some time first quarter of next year.

To continue if that is their strategy, they need to rethink it. By that time everyone and their mother will have purchased JANES, and will not want to spend more $$$$$$ on a HORNET sim. Even if it is the better edition.

To me releasing it now, will get me alomost locked into to buying the upgrade this SPRING and skipping over JANES.

I dont get this decision. Guess that is not why I am a marketing genius!


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posted 11-09-1999 02:36 AM     Profile for Yorkshire Tea   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Why not buy both the DI and the Janes sims (assuming the do release almost simultaneously in the US), then return the one you like least?

Personally I'm just going for the buy both option.

(If (Money > Sense) purchase_new_sim(); )


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Boy YORKSHIRE, I wish it were as simple as you suggest. However, neither time or money is unlimited. Not for myself anyways.

Last year, I got two WWII sims about the same time as F4 came out. Hardly spent enough time with either of them to do them justice and just wanted to tear my hair out and light myself on fire waiting for MP to get the bugs ironed out.

I have decided to change my wreckless spending habits. That is, buy 1 good sim of the genre, LEARN IT well and enjoy it.

I look at my CD rack, there are 9 flight sims there. All top titles. But only one that I can say I have become a master of. There is just not enough time in my day to study these manuals as if it were a college level course.

Dont get me wrong. I love the , "high end" well done simulation and hope to see more of them. But now Im looking at money spent, and time in use and am going to make a choice. My preference was SH., but Ive gone without a new challenge for almost a year now, Janes looks good, good graphics, well supported, nice manuals and coming out before SH.

Im gonna put my money on one horse here rather than be a jack of all trades, master of none.

More power to those who have the time to do them all well. Keep it up. Hopefully it will keep the market going. Im sure one day Ill have em both. But probablly not before one of em hits the discount bin.


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I just hope SH isn't cancelled. It's on my wish list for sure. The good ol' days of F-16 Combat Pilot and Tornado (DI) are still fresh in my mind. BTW, Yorkshire, do you program?
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James,
I may have a problem of course if SH and Flanker 2.0 turn up on the same day here in the UK. I don't tend to play prop sims, however I found CAS missions in the P-51 in Mig Alley a blast.

Turbo,
I program - but I'm self taught out of necessity (needed to learn when I became involved in postgraduate research) I still use Borland C++ 3.1 in DOS Any 'real' programmers may now fall around laughing

[This message has been edited by Yorkshire Tea (edited 11-10-1999).]


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Just to assure Turbo, and anyone else still unsure, Super Hornet HAS NOT BEEN CANCELLED. You can consider this official! =)

My apologies for not contributing earlier, but I've been away on holiday for some time and was only told about this situation today following one of Dave B's phonecalls (I assume it was you, Dave =)). My thanks to him and to the other guys who've spoken up for us during our absence.

Btw, if you're after a set-in-stone date from me or want to know why there's a release date gap then I'm afraid I can't help. We (DI) only make the game, Titus (our parent company) market and publish it over here, and they have Interplay do the same in the US, and they make the decisions. It's all horrendously complicated and far beyond a poor webmonkey such as me =)

Hope that clears up a few things,
Raz
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Raz,
Cheers for the cancelled/not-cancelled info.
Now can you clear up whether the dynamic campaigns will crop up in the Gold edition?

(Want, want, want - that's all we public do )


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