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cityflyer
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posted 09-21-1999 01:20 PM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Anyone know what has happened to Digital Image Design, the msaterminds behind EF2000, and F22? I've been waiting to hear something about upcoming releases or anything, their website is down, and I don't know where else to turn than the online fighter community. Anyone out there know anything about DiD?
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posted 09-22-1999 12:22 AM     Profile for Rick.50cal     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
this is getting scarry. A-10, Interactive Magic, Dessert Fighters, Janes cutbacks, .... now DID's website is down?!?

I always figured flightsims did not make as much as action or roleplaying, but man, I never figured combat flightsims would disapear altogether. Now I'm begining to wonder who is going to stick it out

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posted 09-25-1999 08:21 AM     Profile for Tracer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
As far as i heard, founder Martin Kenwright has left DID and they inturn have been "swallowed up" by INFOGRAMES? So god knows what is happening??????
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posted 09-25-1999 12:50 PM     Profile for Viking1     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I talked to DiD last week. They are alive and well, and doing better since Kenwright left!

But yes, they are now within Infogrames. Lots of money there so that's good.

Typhoon is coming along nicely =)


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Rick.50cal
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posted 09-25-1999 01:51 PM     Profile for Rick.50cal     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thank the heavens for that!!

I just LOVED EF2000, and would drive a thousand K's to get a true sequel!

I am looking forward to most of the upcomming sims to be released, and I hope EF2K: Typhoon makes it through these troubled times. DID is one of the first (in my opinion, anyways) who tried to do a true simulation (Flanker 1 did the same at about the same time), as opposed to a game with many key presses.

This is good news...and that's good enough for me!

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posted 09-25-1999 03:35 PM     Profile for LeadHead   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Actually, it's not sure wheter the "Typhoon" project is a sim of the "EF2000 Typhoon".
That's what the project initially was called, at least by the press. It might have changed however...

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posted 09-26-1999 02:20 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey Viking,

Any word on a schedule for ef2000 Typhoon development? It's predecessor is still one of the best SIM's ever. I love those Fjords!

Falcon 4.0 keeps me happy for now.


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posted 09-27-1999 04:52 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"Typhoon" or "EF2000 v.3" is still under development but they are keeping the lit tight on this one. All that is know for now is that;
- it features the Eurofighter "Typhoon"
- it takes place over, amongst other locztions, Iceland.
- Decalls will be Brittish this time.
- DID are going all-out with realism.
- The game uses the 3Dream engine, the same 3D engine used in Wargasm, of course modified/improved for sims.
- It is planned for an early 2000 release.

Sure am looking forward to this one, EF2000 was addictive like women ;-)


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posted 09-27-1999 01:19 PM     Profile for fire1   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
WOW! The early 2000 release must be a bit ambitious. But, I won't mind being suprised! Still, I'll just hope for this time next year.

EF2K is still the best sim for me, as far as playing a dynamic campaign. F4's campaign is a little quirky and finnicky on my system for now. I guess the only other dynamic campaign are the imagic series and I couldn't get into if18 or if22.

I will buy it. I will buy it. I will buy. Are you listening ef2k3 developers? I WILL BUY IT. Just make it. They will come.


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Ian
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posted 09-27-1999 01:44 PM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
This is DID's new webadress:
www.did-us.com

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posted 09-27-1999 01:57 PM     Profile for FalconF1   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ahem,
Thats not DID's new web adress. It has always been there. Notice its last update was in March, '99.

Anybody know what happened to DID's plan to do a JSF sim? I remember seeing an "advertisment" for it in the F22 ADF manual.


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Ian
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posted 09-29-1999 06:26 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I am sorry for that. I could not find their
website under the adress I usually take. I
just followed a link on the infogrames web
site. That's why I thought they have a new
address. Sorry for my bad english too.

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Kurt Plummer
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posted 09-30-1999 04:25 AM     Profile for Kurt Plummer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Don'tcha just /hate it/ when you type for an hour, connect-to-send and the machine locks up?!?;`)

So I'll make it shorter this time:

1. Only a few 'sims' get away with
new-graphics-same-game shennanigans.
Comanche comes to mind. So does the
'Golden' Bandit known as JANES.

2. I picked up TAW here for about 19 bucks a
few weeks back. Bypassing the 9 dollar
EF-2000V2. They look good but they don't
sell-well. A part of which could be the
"Patches Forever" problem.

3. The use of nursery-mobile, HUGE,
HUD-iconing ruins a game, even one I
enjoy as much as F-22, is a Bad Thing.

4. So to does Grey-Day 'Newsreel' footage
depress me. Pssst! It ain't WWII no mo
no mo...

5. The RAF has a proud heritage of
specialist platforming. Jumping on an
the multirole bandwagon with an unproven,
ZERO combat record, Typhoon VIII or
whatever is asking to be labelled a PR
company for BAe-Eurofighter.

USAF will be flight-lite. I'm sure of it.
But there is no reason why a set of REAL
planes (different cockpits, different
symbology, /highly/ different FM's)
couldn't be done along the same lines,
with a European Flavor. Not with today's
baseline, numbercruncher, machines.

7. Some 'fighters' which have both rather
more campaign medals an NO RECENT SIM are
the Tornado (DI), the Jag (Never) and the
Harrier (MPROSE, at best 'wobbly').

With the recent _RAF_ upgrades these have
all seen (JTIDS, ESM-RHAWS, TIALD, TRN,
HMD, Color MFD, New HUDs, ASRAAM, AMRAAM,
Ariel, BOL) and 'upcoming' ones like
APACHE, Brimstone and FMRAAM, I would say
that EACH of those aircraft has some
aspect of its systems or physical
performance envelope that it at least
matches if not exceeds the 'replacement'
Tiffie.

An F.3 ADV (worst case, perhaps) for
example covers more volume with it's
radar, accelerates to a higher topend
(missile pol-boost), /faster/ and has
equal if not better radar defences (BOL
plus Phimat plus Ariel) for the high-CAP
game. Sure as heck it has more _GAS_ to
run with.

Being new, they would be 'funner' to
experiment package-wise with.

8. Campaign Settings. Urgghh.
'F-22 Out Of Africa?' 'EF-2000
Norwegian Ski Trip?' now /ICELAND/??
Duuuh it sounds like one of those bad
Chevy Chase 'Vacation' films.

It's NOT like the RAF 'never goes
anywhere'! Next to the USN, they are
probably the most travelled of all AF's.

That means you could have 'UN' actions in
Korea, on one side or the other of an
Iran/Iraq/Saudi mixup or 'arbitrating'
Paki-India or China-Taiwan. Did I
mention FRU-2 with Sovietis Interruptis?

We have enough REAL hotspots in the world
to be able to avoid 'fishing disputes'
off another frozen-nowhere!

9. Weapons and EW modelling.
Weapons should have multiple modes and
Pk vice Standoff options, even when they
are 'just guesses'.
Meteor. 2-way datalink and variable flow
ducted rocket. So do you do a 'Track Via
Missile' (hi ECCM) intercept from 60nm,
knowing that the bad guy is may get
warning of your (non-Stealth) approach
and simply turnaway from your Mach-3
gambit or do you wait until 20nm and
pitch a Mach 4.5 right in his face with
near-immediate tether break?

And I get /so tired/ of the 'Alamo, Break
Left, CHA....!!' -crap-. I would LIKE to
see /sophisticated/ EW including both
towed, dispensed and glider decoys and
formation steps that involve MILES of
offset and trail coverage in 'detached
support'. Again, if you have to 'borrow'
U.S. ordinance like TALD/MALD, the DO
IT.

IRCM. We should have pylon-optional
DIRCM (podded Nemisis and Loralei-type
flyalongs to fool the imaging seeker
weapons which will dominate the first
half of the next century.

And a _MAWS_ (Plessey, radar) to help cue
when to use each as well as what
direction and when to begin an evasion.
I'm /not/ talking about a 'Missile
Padlock' but rather something on
your HMD which, when you cue to it, gives
a relative vector and intercept point for
both YOU and the THREAT WEAPON. A
bearing indicator gives 'steerage' to
either minimize signature, stretch out
the impact lag, or maximize the
crossing angle difficulty.

Especially for newbies, this could be an
important set of training wheels to the
Big Sim market and I think it would
rapidly addict the diehards too. It IS
'realistic'.


Okay, so maybe it wasn't so short after all... KP


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Akulashaker
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posted 09-30-1999 05:31 AM     Profile for Akulashaker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Kurt, would you be so kind as to provide your e-mail or ICQ number? (mail them to me if you don't want them public)
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FalconF1
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posted 09-30-1999 05:12 PM     Profile for FalconF1   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Uhhhh,
so you made it shorter, Kurt?

Sorry, but my ADS (attention deficit syndrome) doesnt allow me to comprehend what your message was about.
How about a shorter (100 words maybe) post which explains your point?


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Viking1
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posted 09-30-1999 09:22 PM     Profile for Viking1     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Kurt, remember not all of us have your experience =) (THough we would sell our mothers to get it!)

Typhoon" or "EF2000 v.3" is still under development, yes indeedy.

- it features the Eurofighter "Typhoon"
- it takes place over, amongst other locations, Iceland.
- add to that Eastern Europe naturally
- Decals will be British this time.
- DID are going all-out with realism.
- The game uses the 3Dream engine, the same 3D engine used in Wargasm, of course modified/improved and updated.
- Add to that written for hardware T&L under DX7. This means that this sim will be incredible visually and also have more horsepower for the AI.
- was planned for an early 2000 release, but is looking more like spring =)

DiD considered JSF but went back to EF2. Why? Still a hugely popular sim. Look for even better multiplayer in this one. The JSF may show up eventually as an add on in the same Eurofighter world =)


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posted 09-30-1999 09:25 PM     Profile for FalconF1   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Now that- I CANNOT WAIT FOR!

I still have ef2k 2.0 in the HD. Its a hell of a sim.
I guess F2 will just be a "warm up" for Ef2k 3.


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Ravan
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posted 10-01-1999 01:13 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks for the update Viking1,

Can't wait!


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posted 10-01-1999 07:59 AM     Profile for Kurt Plummer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey Ho,

Amongst the other things, my original post contained a LOT of 'what I liked' about EF-2000v.1.

I really -liked- the Norwegian Terrain (the first time 'round, even 'shades of grey' are tacti-kewl for instance, though I got constant hangups and a really poor frame rate at the higher rez, as you would expect playing on an unboosted 486-66 in the days of P-133's and up.

Also that /should/ read 'FRY-2', Fumble-Fingeritis.

Akula, it's [email protected] Sorry no ICQ at this time. 'Be Gentle'...

Falcon.

What the British have is a 'miniaturzied' version of what we -used to-, all wrapped up in a tighter package, closer to USMC style expeditionary sleekness than the USAF 'Super Wing' ponderousness of systems.

This means you can see specialist weapons systems doing specialist things as well as 'generic' platform-x patrolling, on a day to day, supportable, basis. But not one without some 'struggle' as with Raptor or F-22 vs. MiG-21/23/29 (even Gen-1 Flanker which is really all that's out there right now...).

The TIALD and RAPTOR mission for the Jag comes to mind, as does the ability to put 'RAF' Harriers on a throughdeck 'ASW cruiser'
for some serious BAI-overland 'power projection'. All while the whirliwinders bring about EITHER the hi or low disintegration of the enemy IADS and ability-to-wage-war deep-interdiction.

I wish some of you had gotten to SEE how /fast/ (DI) Tornado was, down low with minimal terrain shading compromise to frame and X2 accel @ 700-800knots. Yet smooooth.

The Brits also increasingly have some 'smarter' PGM variation which we can't even come /close/ to matching, something I always drool over... .

In all, while I really /like/ 'the latest thing' Typhoon IS the Eurofighter, just under another label.

As such, I think we are missing out on yet another (timely) window of opportunity to do a different, -total package-, work that truly represents the conflicts and the UN/multinational airpower employment advantage in resolving them, _today_.

Before the varied assets which make it all possible are but another Vietnam Dream (or nightmare... of the past.

Too Bad. I still wish the best for DID, I knew some of the folks there, once upon a neverwhen. They deserve success, however it comes.


KP


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posted 10-01-1999 09:29 AM     Profile for VLK   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
hi guys,

BAD NEWS,

30 staff leaving from the developer Digital Image Design (DID).

I wonder if they will establish a new firm and if it was possible for them to took the done work with.
http://www.fgnonline.com/news/9778.html

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Viking1
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posted 10-01-1999 11:53 AM     Profile for Viking1     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It's true. DiD is now no more, and EF2 v.3 will likely never happen =(
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posted 10-01-1999 06:01 PM     Profile for Vector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
What will come of F-18 Super Hornet? Is that in the shits now too? I sure hope Janes doesnt stop work on F-18 now, they may be our last hope for a truely hardcore Hornet sim.
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posted 10-01-1999 06:45 PM     Profile for Turbo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
DiD had nothing to do with F-18 Super Hornet. I think you're confused with DI (Digital Integration)
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posted 10-02-1999 08:27 AM     Profile for Tracer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I hope the guys that left DID team up with Martin Kenwright and continue where they left off?
They(DID)will ALWAYS be my favourite sim company,the best memories-TFX-and the BEST game that still exists on my HD EF2000V2.0
There was a lot of guys out here in "sim land" that started BIG threads about why DID didn't release patches etc and basicaly gave them S*** for it(you know who you are!)Now we know why?? especialy when sales never reached expectations and they owed Info lots off dosh
Dave Ferguson would still try and help on the Wargasm site.(Cheers Dave)
We all know what has just happened to Jane's through POOR sales of F-15??
I hope a NEW DID rises from this and goes on to do EF3,EURO,Typhoon i WILL always support them!
Nothing out there matched EF2000 dynamic campaign(the first TRUE dynamic)or TAW!! Or the "Bible" like size of the manuals!
All i can say is Infogrames go F*** your selves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's the end of an era and an EXCELLENT company-which remember was the FIRST and ONLY company to reach a BS EN ISO 9001 TickIT and build TIALD,cockpit,night vision and gunnery
training systems for the military!


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