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Squeehee
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posted 10-25-2000 07:54 AM     Profile for Squeehee   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I just found out it's true. It's happening on the Wake Island mission, early in the U.S. campaign. I bust up a formation of Betty's and no sooner have I done this than I find one or two of them on my ass and the one I'm chasing pulling high-G turns, wingovers, you name it. All the while his tail gunner is plinking away at me. That guy must have one hell of a G-suit. Is that the Jap's secret weapon? I've been absolutely loving this sim. I've looked forward to the end of the work day every day since I bought it just to get in a mission or two. However, this Betty thing is absurd.
When will someone figure out a fix for this nonesense?

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Red Wolf
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posted 10-25-2000 09:23 PM     Profile for Red Wolf   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I heard that Well's FM update for the bettys will fix this problem.
If the bettys really did fly like that (I have seen it too...), japan would only manufacture bettys (The perfect multirole plane!!) they would not need any escort and Japan would definitely win the war.
Now let's think about it for a sec: Bettys were already outdated and vulnerable planes, they did have fighter escort and Japan lost the war.
FIGHTER kills BOMBER. BOMBER kills AAA. AAA kills ROLL. BETTYS kills EVERYTHING.

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Der Jager
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posted 10-26-2000 01:00 AM     Profile for Der Jager   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
S!

I had the same experience last week. It probably was the same mission. The Bettys
were flying almost like a Zero! They shot me out of the sky..just like that!!

Well, last night I had created a new pilot, and once again this mission came up. So I tried some thing different. I saw a gaggle of Bettys low over the water heading for several american navy ships.

I waited until the american flak started to burst around the Bettys, then I snuck in on their 6 oclocks, I splashed 4 in about 30
seconds!!

They did not react to me at all! !! I guess the american flak had them distracted! I did not even receive any return fire!

It was quite a sight, 3 Bettys on fire, all at the same time and tumbling for the water!!

That made my day!! Or at least until I had to go to work the next am!
Happy Hunting!

Horrido!

Ich würde eher der JÄGER sein, NICHT GEJAGT!!!


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Clostermann
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posted 10-26-2000 10:08 AM     Profile for Clostermann   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Redwolf your perfect aircraft is the one who burn the fast .
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Peter65d
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posted 10-27-2000 01:41 AM     Profile for Peter65d   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I do computer work for Maj General Joel B. Paris III. He flew with Bong in WWII in the Pacific. 9 confirmed kills. He had many an opportunity to engage Betty Bombers. I asked him about the dogfighting Bettys. He said that the could turn, however, they seldom did. A feww shots into the center of the wing and it was a Flying inferno.
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Geo_EAF92
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posted 10-27-2000 01:56 AM     Profile for Geo_EAF92   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
...Hence the nickname of 'flying lighters'
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Dada 257th FG
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posted 10-27-2000 08:51 AM     Profile for Dada 257th FG   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Squeehee:
I bust up a formation of Betty's and no sooner have I done this than I find one or two of them on my ass and the one I'm chasing pulling high-G turns, wingovers, you name it. All the while his tail gunner is plinking away at me

Hehe, well, I must agree that that does not seem right.

Haha, in some of the quick missions I've done, I'd just assumed the fighters that started plinking away from behind me were Zeroes.

Silly me. Hehe. Nope, bombers shouldn't be doing wingovers and bat turns. Hahaha!

ALthough I'm generally happy with the FM's, maybe I will have to check out a modified one for the Betty's, if that does help.

D. "Dada" Miller


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david wong
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posted 10-27-2000 10:18 AM     Profile for david wong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I was shot by bomber at 1200 ft away while
my shot dont seem to hurt them too much.
In EAW the enemy bombers are more realistic.

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Dada 257th FG
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posted 10-27-2000 11:23 AM     Profile for Dada 257th FG   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by david wong:
I was shot by bomber at 1200 ft away while
my shot dont seem to hurt them too much.
In EAW the enemy bombers are more realistic.

Well David,

Let me first stipulate that EAW is a great sim and I, by no means, intend to disaparge it.

However, shooting down bombers in EAW has seemed to encourage some "unrealistic" habits. Much around that has been written about it has settled on parking yourself to the rear of the bombers between 2,000 and 1,000 feet (breaking off at that distance) to be the best way to down them.

Of course, this is not historically accurate, (though it works great in the game). It is a bad habit. Most know that high deflection passes were much better way to stay alive--and that the head on cockpit attack was a favored method of the Luftwaffe.

As others have said, parking yourself behind a bomber with low closure and little relative motion is suicide.

So a propensity towards this kind of attack will definitely get you killed in another sim where things are modeled differently. High/low side passes are hard to get the knack of (well, the deflection shot), but they really do work--and keep you away from the rear gunners.

This does not mean I'm sticking up for the "super" Betty's. What good is a high speed, high side attack if your prey can accelerate, pull 6 g's onto your tail and knock you down?

Also, one last note on this...do know that intelligent bomber drivers with you on their six will try to lure you in front of other bombers who might be in a position to take a shot at you. Maybe some of this is going on?

Always go for tail end charlie.

D. "Dada" Miller


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