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Triton900
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posted 10-21-2000 05:06 PM     Profile for Triton900   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Just wanted to let anyone whos interested know that an upgrade to 256 megs of RAM is WELL worth it especialy in CFS2, it has eliminated all the stutters, well for the most part anyway and I now run all details maxed 1280x960x32 and average 40 to 60 FPS in the campaign and upwards in the 100's in free flight! Woo Hooo! So... if you have the means go by more RAM you'll never have to worry about thoes annoying HD access times while lining up that kill.

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posted 10-21-2000 05:22 PM     Profile for von Vampr   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Triton ,
I agree 100 percent . I , after being told by many self-proclaimed experts not to , upgraded my 128 mb of RAM to 256 mb . It made a huge difference in many of the flight sims I play . Well , if some is good , then alot should be better , so I threw in another stick of 128 to make 384 . Now , I never have slowdowns in any sim . Just the other day I argued with a guy claiming to be a systems admin. and claiming anything over 128 is never used . He'll have to tell that to my computer when it's frame rate doubled in F4 with the added memory . Also , sims like B17II and IL-2 will need lots of ram .

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posted 10-21-2000 07:27 PM     Profile for SR   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey thanks for the tip , I have 128 guess it looks like my wallet will be a little thinner soon

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posted 10-21-2000 08:42 PM     Profile for Chivas   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Are you using Windows 98. I was told by the same experts that Windows 98 doesn't utilies more than 128 or ram well. And what kind of system are you running.
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posted 10-21-2000 09:04 PM     Profile for SPANKY   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Howdy i've heard that about windows not using any more than 128 mg. not really sure if thats true and i consider myself fairly up on computer stuff, any one know for sure. by the way chivas how's it going in ladysmith ? i'm up in parksville.
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posted 10-21-2000 09:13 PM     Profile for MaxxG   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have an:

FIC SD11 (N16 Bios)
Athlon (K7) 1000
2 x 128 = 256 MB PC-100
13 GB Quantum Fireball KX
SB live Value
ASUS V6800 DDR Deluxe (Det 3)
Windows ME

If I remove one of the 128 SIMM's I get:

a) "NO" drop in frame rates
b) "NO" more HD thrashing
c) "NO" more stuttering

In the following sims:

CFS2
Falcon 4
Janes FA/18
etc., etc.

I am a "Systems Admin". I am 42 years old. I do alot of research. I believe what I research. And most importantly, I have NO reason to lie.

If you find that an increase in RAM from 128 to 256 improves your overall performance, than I am truly happy for you. Honest!

If you are running NT, than I am POSITIVE you are getting higher performance!


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posted 10-21-2000 09:37 PM     Profile for Seawolf   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
MaxxG,
"System Admin" Not to bust your bubble buddy, but I doubt seriously you have simm slots on your SD11. Try 168 pin Dimm slots. LOL
Sorry had to call ya on that one.

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Chivas
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posted 10-22-2000 12:40 AM     Profile for Chivas   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Spanky, I believe I've flown against a guy called Spanky in CFS, lol. I think I'll throw another 128ram in my system and see what happens. I have Windows 98.
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posted 10-22-2000 04:57 AM     Profile for SR   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
MaxxG: My wallet loves ya man

Thanks

SR


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posted 10-22-2000 06:09 AM     Profile for Warspite   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
What kind/speed processor are you guys running?

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posted 10-22-2000 08:13 AM     Profile for JG51_GIJeff_<<+   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Salute Gents,

Being the aforementioned "guy claiming to be a systems admin" in Von Vampr's post, I will clarify. By the way, I am a NETWORK admin, not a systems admin Von Vampr. The more is better mentality is causing alot of people to spend money on components unnecessarily, and I'd like to reverse the trend. I use the system monitor when flying a sim to determine what amount of ram is actually being used by my system.

This can be found by following the path : START / PROGRAMS / ACCESSORIES / SYSTEM TOOLS / SYSTEM MONITOR. You go into EDIT, ADD ITEM, MEMORY MANAGER, and choose UNUSED PHYSICAL MEMORY. The program will then display a chart showing how much system ram is NOT being used at present. Now start any sim or any other game and ALT/TAB out of it while in flight and look at the figure.

I won't ask you guys to accept anything I say as gospel unless I can back it up. Do your own tests and decide for yourselves if you need more ram in your system than a network server running 35 computers. Sorry to disilusion some of you, but your wallet will thank me. I can get ram CHEAP and I don't have more than 128 in my machine. It simply isn't necessary unless you are doing 3d modeling on a grand scale, or working with HUGE databases.

For final clarification on Windows usage of ram and efficiency thereof. Windows 95/98 will efficiently use up to 64 mb of ram, after which you will get diminishing returns for added ram. Windows efficiently addresses the first 64 mb of ram because it is written into the code. After that performance will not increase as dramatically. This doesn't mean you shouldn't have more than 64 mb in your system. It just means that for doubling ram from 64 to 128 you will not see the doubling in performance you might expect.

NT will efficiently address up to, I believe the figure is one GIGABYTE of ram, so if you have NT you can put any amount of ram in it and it will efficiently address all of it. NT also uses considerably more ram for it's own processes, so more ram is a good idea. I am told windows ME has an NT kernel, which would put it into the NT category with regards to ram efficiency, if that is true. Windows 2000 is definitely an NT kernel and falls into this category as well.

Oh, by the way, even systems and network admins make mistakes, and the S key is right next to the D key so MaxxG's comment could either be a typo, which I consider likely, or a simple mistake, saying simm instead of dimm. It doesn't invalidate anything else he said. Nobody's perfect, so try not to knock others for making minor errors.

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posted 10-22-2000 08:35 AM     Profile for bisher   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
so i should upgrade my 65 megs?

just kidding, but seriously.......


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posted 10-22-2000 08:35 AM     Profile for Jv44~Siggi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
When I played AvP with 128RAM my mouse-look was laggy as hell. When I upped the RAM to 256 the lag went away. I also experimented with 128RAM and a lower resolution, also curing the mouse-lag.
System RAM stores textures. If the texture demand exceeds the amount available in RAM you will see a performance degradation.
Win98 will happily consume 90-100Mb of system RAM. With 395Mb of RAM in my PC Win98 takes the full 100+, leaving the rest for my apps (games).
256Mb is optimal for most games and certainly improves upon 128, whatever the experts tell you.
The myth of Win98 being unable to effectively utilize more than 128Mb is just that, a myth. Hard experimentation proves that real-world experience is often more valid than theoretical supposition. It may be 'empirical fact' that Win98 can't effectively use more than 128Mb of RAM, but then the bumble bee is incapable of flight according to the laws of aerodynamics.

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posted 10-22-2000 09:11 AM     Profile for JG51_GIJeff_<<+   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Salute Gents,

Yet another "expert" has come to the fore claiming windows is using 100 mb of ram just to run itself? I look at my system monitor even now and see that with 128 mb of ram in my machine, I have almost 50 mb unused. This with running Microsoft Personal Web Server, An FTP server program, Flashmanager, 3dfx tools, Wingman Profile Manager, ICQ, and the Netscape in which I am viewing this webpage, oops, I forgot Kali 1.68.

There are many factors to consider when testing a system for a particular attribute, many things that can affect the results or skew them. What kind of mouse are you using? Is it USB, Serial, or mini din? Is your mouse CLEAN? How many background programs are you running, etc.

I find that on MY system, running CFS2 at 1024 X 768 X 16, which you can get away with without image degradation using a V5, and with most everything cranked up all the way, I get more than acceptable frame rates, no lower than high twenties in a furball, and sometimes more than 50. This while running M$ Personal Web Server, My FTP server program, Wingman Profile Manager, and usually ICQ as well. I do find that, in the system monitor, that I am using almost ALL of my 128 mb of ram to run the simulator, but there is still some left over while running the game.

My system specs are as follows:
Windows 98 1st edition.
Asus K7V motherboard with Athlon 800 mhz.
128 mb PC133 ram.
Vodoo 5 5500 AGP.
2 6.4 gig WD hard drives. (scheduled for replacement with 30 gig 7200 rpm ATA 66 WD soon)
Sound Blaster Live Value.
Iomega SCSI Jaz drive (2GB).
Mitsumi 4 X 4 X 24X CD burner.
Acer 40X CDROM. (hey, it was free)

I don't know anyone else's background on here so I will give you my own. I have an Associate in Specialized Technology Degree, in Computer System Specialist. I went to school at Pittsburgh Technical Institute for two years, earning High Honors, and a 3.96 cumulative GPA. I graduated at the top of my class. Since then, I have worked for a year and a half as a Network Administrator for Flexon Inc. I have built more systems than I'd care to count, including Network Servers. I built an entire network at Flexon, including VPN to an affiliate in California so we could share the same database, running on a Sun Alpha server.

I am not going to claim demi-god status when it comes to computers but I do know my sh**. I know how the system addresses ram, how it utilizes it, and what the differing operating systems do with it. "I tried it and it did this", isn't enough to make blanket statements, gentlemen. There are MANY factors that can affect your results.

I am not going to get into a pissing contest about who knows what, I highly recommend using the system tools yourself and deciding for YOURSELF what you need rather than listening to "the gospel according to Joe Schmoe" That is to include anything _I_ say on here too. Test it for yourself, it takes but a minute.

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posted 10-22-2000 09:23 AM     Profile for Jv44~Siggi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I take it from your earlier post that the SysMon you refer to is the one built into Win98?
Do you defrag your HD with Win98's vanilla version also?
I would take with a pinch of salt anything Win98's SysMon tells you. When it comes to system utilities and bill gates' multi-billion dollar capabilities one has to assume he is either very tight-fisted or an incompetant moron who only made it to where he is by engaging in criminal business practices rather than offering a genuinely superior product.
I refer you to the afore-mentioned Win98 defrag utility as a way of benchmarking his utility input.
SysMon...giggle.

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posted 10-22-2000 09:25 AM     Profile for Wolfar   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I too deal with Computers and Networks and many different company set-ups everyday. I believe that anyone that really wants to utilize over 128meg effectivly for CFS2 should go out and get Windows 2000 and it will use the ram effecintly. I have not had a chance to check out ME so if anyone knows forsure drop it here. Do not try and blow smoke because it seems there are MANY comp savey people on this board.
Salute
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posted 10-22-2000 09:38 AM     Profile for Lanzfeld   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Wow...computer stuff makes my head hurt. Siggi is partly correct about the bumblebee. Up to a few years ago, it was an aerodynamical wonder as to how the bee could fly. But deep investigation into Boundary Layer Control (BLC) now explains it well. Its a process of intentionally dissrupting the airflow over the surface to create a vortex that hits other parts of the lifting surface at a better angle and improves lift....in a nutshell.
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No smoke-blowing here Wolfar. Simple fact is too many people have reported immediate improvements with their games by upping RAM from 128 to 256 for it to be a myth. When you have highly trained aerodynamycists proving that a bumble bee can't fly, and then see one flying, one kind of loses one's respect for all that fancy book-learning (masters schmasters, you know?). Ditto when so called 'experts' refer to figures and claimed facts when referring to the Win/128Mb debate. The proof is in the pudding as they say.
And those boys at wayward, putting a real-world app together, say 256Mb of RAM would be VERY nice for B17-2. Are they ignorant too?
We all know that a) gates is a crook and b) he'd like to disguise the figures on how resource-greedy Win98 actually is. SysMon? I wouldn't trust it for a minute.

And, finally (tah-daaah! ), I have too many bad memories of how my PC used to perform with just 128Mb of RAM. The improvement I experienced in MANY games when I upped it to 256Mb isn't a figment of my imagination.
I'm not saying Win98 utilizes it particularly well, just that it DOES offer a significant improvement in texture-rich games.


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posted 10-22-2000 09:43 AM     Profile for JG51_GIJeff_<<+   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Salute Gents,

Well Jv44~Siggi:

The fact that you, rather than providing facts backing up your stance, have simply attacked the effectiveness of the tool I suggest everyone use to verify for themselves what they need, lends itself toward my belief that you simply wish to inject doubt, without much in the way of proof.

I say A, you attack A, I say this is why A is true, you attack my proofs or explinations. This neverending cycle of bulls**t ends here, I am not going to dignify anything you post here with answers anymore since you have proven to me that you only wish to inject doubt. For what reason, I can't imagine, but I don't actually care very much.

I would hope that people claiming to have facts or proofs would be willing to back them up in SOME way. Anyone can bash something. Prove it doesn't work. I am sure there are third party utilities that can be used for the same things as the system monitor, just as there are third party utilities for defragging your harddrive. Might I suggest you try one of these if you distrust the M$ utility.

In the meantime, take your negative comments and stick them back into the same orifice from which they issued. (figure it out)

JG51_GIJeff_<<+


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posted 10-22-2000 09:48 AM     Profile for JG53_Krieg!   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
OH SH*T,, Siggi found his way into this forum,,, God help us all!! lol

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Gee Jeff, didn't take much for you to take the debate into the gutter of personal unpleasantries. Sad. Another insecure expert?
I have cited facts above, ie my personal experience. And I have the experiences of many others to draw upon.

Reading your CV above I'm actually suprised you would recommend the native SysMon as a means of gauging one's system performance. Displays a rather naive trust in a very suspect utilty.

And the very hackneyed "I won't dignify anything you post here with answers anymore" is truly representitive of a sulky troller who can't handle the cut & thrust of vigorous debate. Lighten up. You post your take on the issue, I post mine. No need to resort to sticking stuff up orifices, is there?

Bygones.


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posted 10-22-2000 09:58 AM     Profile for Jv44~Siggi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Krieg! Lol. Actually I've been posting at CombatSim since way back, but not recently. And since my last re-format I've lost/forgotten my old user name and password. I was hoping a re-register from my Global e-mail would find it but I guess I last registered from an old hotmail account.

Why are all these 'experts' so stroppy? Soon as somebody 'steals their thunder' they get abusive. Weird. Must be an ego thing or something.


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Hmmm. One thing that I have noticed about computer tech types in my dealing with them is that they can be a righteous bullheaded lot. In other words when they think they are right and some one tries to blow holes in what they believe the hackles on the back of their neck come out. In turn they lash out at who attempted to blowholes in their theories. I read these boards to gain more knowledge of how to get CFS2 to work better and another information about the Sim I can glean. Being a techie myself I appeal to like people to keep a cool head and just let the ridicule roll off of your egos. Come ON! Everyone is looking to improve performance here do not let it get DRAGGED into the mud. Windows 98 does not utilize ram above 128 effectively we know that. So lets move on. Try Windows 2000 if you want to be SURE the memory is being used fully.
Take care and I hope we can be civil here.
Salute
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Just out of curiosity I've opened SysMon, un-used RAM. I have a total of 365 RAM in my PC. SysMon is telling me I currently have between 87 and 97 unused.
I have PrassiCD, Norton AV, Display Director and AudioHQ running in the background.
87 from 365 = 278. 278Mb of my RAM is currently being used? I think not. I guess SysMon sucks then.

Of course, it could just be idle but Win98 isn't giving it back. Cacheman, whereforartthou! Lol.


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Wolfar, I've heard a lot about Win2000 being not very suitable for home apps (games in particular) due to driver issues. Would you recommend it for CFS2 and it's ilk?
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posted 10-22-2000 10:13 AM     Profile for Wolfar   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Is this the same Siggi that I knew on the SD** board?
Salute
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It is indeed mate. Salute! Nice to meet up with you again. You enjoying the hell out of CFS2? I'm getting it on the 27th (us poor Brits, always last in the queue). I'm really looking forward to it!
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Hi guys'
No sysadmin here just a lowly user!I picked up a nice tip over at the armor section of this forum a while back about ram and it's usage.Using the msconfig utility,go to the system.ini tab,scroll down to the 386ENH folder and in that folder you are going to add the line "ConservativeSwapFileUsage=1" this forces windows to use your physical ram before swapping to your hard drive,since the machine access' ram faster than it access' your hard drive,you should see a performance boost.I tried this several weeks ago and with 256mb ram,I'll say I got a huge boost.

Also, here's a link to a nice graphics controller utility- http://www.entechtaiwan.com/ it's called "powerstrip" and it allows you to change/tweak all manner of things including your agp aperature and it tell you exactly how much memory you are using both video and physical and allows for memory recovery when needed.

My measly .02!

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Well Siggi the box says it will work. Even though I have not tryed it. I have a Win2000 advanced server at work but they might frowen at me for puting a game on the comp. Considering that 2000 & CFS2 are both M$ products they should in theory work. If anyone has tryed it drop a post here.
Salute
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Siggi, I'm still thinking of what you made that poor, innocent mouse look at to make it "lag" so badly.

<SHUDDER!>

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P.S.: Getting excited thinking about what you'll look like in a Zero with the wing on fire! XOXOXO


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Well guys, I am not a computer whiz by any stretch of the imagination but using the memory search that JG-52 GIJeff gave in his post assures me that windows me will use everything your system has. While reading these posts I went inside to ck my unused memory and it was showing me with 171m not being used. (I have 256 mb ram) Then I started CFS2 in instant combat and without firing a shot and having 4 enemy planes coming toward me, I rechecked my memory again. This time I had 6m's not being used! Now I am thinking maybe I need more ram? I do still get hesitations in the sim from time to time with everything cranked to the max. My system comprises of:
Athlon 800, 256mb ram, and a GEForce2 GTS 64 mb video card with SB live sound card.

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Buster, Now there is some decent research you have done! Perhaps Win ME might be a decent upgrade. I have not done allot of research on ME because I did not think it was much of an improvment over win 98B. The Memory allocation alone would be worth the upgrade. Not to mention some nice recovery programing build into it.
Salute
Wolfar

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Hehe. Hi Chris, wotcha up to? Are you gonna hurt me online? Sniff. I was hoping we could land on an atoll somewhere and enjoy tiffin together.

Mudshark, that config line sounds very interesting. I'm going to try it out, also get that powerstrip. I've heard about it but one gets snowed-under with utility reccs. You make it sound good.

Buster, other posts suggest lowering the audio setting on your SB-Live to improve stuttering. Your system should be giving you flying frame-rates I think.


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Hey Siggi
Yeah I consistantly run in the 25 to 35 range in campaign mode.And up to 50 or more just flying around. But when there are 10 or more planes in the air, and several ships in the water, I have noticed a change in frame rate without even having to look at the display. Thanks for the advice. Will try the audio settings.

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posted 10-22-2000 10:48 AM     Profile for Jv44~Siggi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Wolfar, concerning WinME, I've tried it.

Installing it over Win98 it ran ok with a few irritating bugs (occasional CTD's, re-start/shutdown would hang).

Playing Panzer Elite (probably the MOST resource hungry game currently available for the PC) I noticed no improvement.

I decided to re-format my sys and do a clean install of Win98 followed by WinME. Total disaster. NONE of the games I had previously had running ok would run properly anymore. WinME screwed my system bad. All the reports I've heard of it say it sucks, though the owner of my local PC bits-shop says it's great.

So, be careful. Oh yes, I used the restore function to get rid of ME but it left a load of bugs behind (the restart/shutdown hang most noticeably) so I had to re-format AGAIN and am back with good old Win98.


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posted 10-22-2000 10:59 AM     Profile for JG51_GIJeff_<<+   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Salute Gents,

Hello Wolfar, I am neither bullheaded, nor angry that Siggi disagrees with me. I AM annoyed at the disinformation I see here by self proclaimed experts, and I simply will not be drawn into a pissing contest by someone who doesn't intend to argue using facts to back up their opinions. The fact that someone who has no qualifications ridicules me is secondary to my wish that everyone have CORRECT information on which to base their purchases. I have to wonder if Siggi has stock in Micron or some such.

Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has them, and they usually stink. I invite people to TEST and COMPARE DATA. The reason I suggest M$ utility for such is that I am absolutely certain they HAVE it. Siggi's attacks on just about everything I have put forth on this topic are not based on anything factual, he has cited no references, and has nothing other than his personal experience (whatever that is) to back his statements up.
I have no time to waste trying to change someone's mind if they choose not to listen to a differing opinion, or accept proofs that are put forth to back them up. If you can't argue intelligently about something, I will tell you what to go do with yourself, and get on with my life. Flame wars are for grade schoolers. An argument is supposed to have two sides, and both LISTEN to the other before replying. If one party chooses not to do this, then the whole thing becomes an exercise in futility for the other. No point in continuing. I don't make excuses nor apologies for anything I say, it was all considered and intentional. Don't like it? Don't read it, and more importantly don't reply to it.

I also don't approve of your bulking technical people together as "a righteous and bullheaded lot" I am sure there are examples that fit this description in all fields, but characterizing all people in that field would not only be erroneous, but very unkind. I also notice that you claim to be a techie yourself, do you count yourself among the group you describe? Calling for civility immediately following the lack of it, doesn't inspire much confidence in your sincerity. Enough said about that.

In addition, Siggi should have known better than to try to UPGRADE any M$ operating system. Those of us that work in the industry know that's a no no. It simply doesn't work right. You wipe the HDD and install the new OS while saving your data elsewhere, hence the 2gb Jazz drive on my system. So much for his touted "experience".

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posted 10-22-2000 11:06 AM     Profile for JG51_GIJeff_<<+   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Salute Gents,

Good work Mudshark! Nice tips! I was unaware of that and will try it asap testing for ram usage afterwards to compare to previous data.

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posted 10-22-2000 11:18 AM     Profile for JG51_GIJeff_<<+   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Salute Gents,

Tried Mudshark's suggested hack. Worked beautifully, two thumbs up! I also tested the performance of my ram with the new settings and while my system is using almost all of it's physical ram, with the new settings I get NO SWAPFILE USAGE whatsoever. All of which cries out to me that I don't need more physical ram to run CFS II.

For those of you that aren't familiar with swapfiles, they are virtual memory, which your operating system will assign, when needed, to make up for a lack of physical memory. Since, at my settings, my system is not using any virtual memory at all, I can only conclude that I have sufficient physical memory for the task at hand. Your performance may vary. Test it for yourself.

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posted 10-22-2000 11:24 AM     Profile for Mudshark   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks! Glad it worked for you!!

Mudshark

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posted 10-22-2000 11:25 AM     Profile for Wolfar   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ok JG51_GIJeff, I should have stated SOME Techie types that I have run into. I agree to disagree. I do WHOLE heartedly agree with you on several points. Doing an upgrade in anyform has always met with disaster for myself anyway. The ONLY good way is as you suggested wipe out the HD then install the FULL ver of the OS. Take care!
Salute
Wolfar

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