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posted 01-27-2000 10:24 AM     Profile for CFrancisco   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Can you guys tell me what the hell is this!

YES! i know its a gun ...LOL

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posted 01-27-2000 11:28 AM     Profile for wulf_pilot   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Correct me if im wrong but isnt that the new german rifle that fires state of the art caseless ammunition
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posted 01-27-2000 11:43 AM     Profile for Schatten   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Nope you aren't wrong Wulf, that's the new G-11, 4.7mm Caseless assault rifle that the Germans developed. Not sure if it's issue yet but might be. It's intended to replace both the G-7 and the various SMGs the German military and police now use. I read somewhere that the cyclic rate on it is so high (somewhere around 1600 rpm) that in 3 round burst the 1st bullet is just leaving the barrel as the 3rd is being fired...Hope it comes with a good cleaning kit...


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posted 01-27-2000 11:52 AM     Profile for Majesty5   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Yep, that's the G11... I think that might be the earlier version, they've made some modifications since. It's a bunch of utter horsesh*t to me though... Caseless ammo, looks like 10000 moving parts, and they only decided to add iron sights as an afterthought. No thanks... I'll take a G3 or an AK-47 over a whiz-bang plastic scientist's gun any day.

At least it doesn't have a PC attached to it like the so-called "Future Assault Rifle" of the US Army's does, though. "Please Mr. Guy in Black PJ's, don't shoot, my computer-driven ranging system/firing rate selector computer crashed!"

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posted 01-27-2000 12:14 PM     Profile for Tinku   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
The G11 project was dropped in favor of G36, which is now being introduced into Bundeswehr service. Some select units like Fallschirmjaeger, Fernspaeher, KSK and certain Panzergrenadier Bataaillons already have it. G36 uses standard NATO 5.56 ammo.

Problem with G11 was that the rifle became so hot when firing at high rates that the caseless ammo would ignite before reaching the chamber.

The rifle itself was excellent, the ammo was the problem.


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posted 01-27-2000 06:08 PM     Profile for kjuice   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
i read about that weapon years ago(bout 6 if i recall right), in a popular science magazine. at the time it was in testing i think. they had the same picture.
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posted 01-28-2000 01:58 AM     Profile for JG5_Jerry   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Here's a pic of the 'short version of the G-36:

They are now in use, and were issued to German troops in Kosovo.

C/O, Jagdgeschwader 5 'Eismeer'

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posted 01-28-2000 01:49 PM     Profile for KMHPaladin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Hehe... you guys are pretty fast . I believe the weapon was manufactured by Heckler and Koch, though I could be wrong... Anything else that could be added has already been stated, though .

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