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RossC
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posted 01-20-2000 12:57 PM     Profile for RossC   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I would really, really like to have this airplane in the next ECA CP, if it's not going to be in already. It was apparently a FANTASTIC flying airplane, one that was in fact able to out turn a P-51, due to a very advanced wing design.

And it was used in the ETO, well before the A-26 was even. It's certainly one of the most overlooked airplanes of WW2. Probably the ultimate multi-seat fighter of the war.

I just DLed ECA CP 2.0 last night (previously I had thought, "Big deal,") and it's a fantastic utility. Now if someone could just unlock the 3d coding and make the planes look as they should, but it's still very cool to fly all of these airplanes.

P-61 please please please please

~Ross


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Monsieur Pierre
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posted 01-20-2000 01:59 PM     Profile for Monsieur Pierre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
You are right, the "Black Widow" was a nice bird...But uneasy to make its skin (from some black P-38?)

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RossC
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posted 01-20-2000 02:17 PM     Profile for RossC   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I think we'd have to use the B-26 model in the game, as they were about the same size. Heck, if they use the B-26 to represent the A-26, and German planes for Japanese ones, it doesn't really matter.

P-61C would be a nasty machine to tangle with (430mph, 4 20mm + 4 .50 cal in a remote controlled turret).

~Ross


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posted 01-20-2000 02:29 PM     Profile for Slickster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Hey Ross, you right, Baby. The Black widow was a killer diller.

Apparently only about half the 61's had the top turret, as it was identical to the B-29's. They got most of them. Plus, there was a Gunner piggy back in the turreted models, along with the Radar operator. A three man crew.

My Great Uncle disappeared one night flying one. No one knows what happened to him.

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Airbuddha
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posted 01-20-2000 03:34 PM     Profile for Airbuddha   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
The P-61 is included with ECA 2.1 and it uses B-26 plane slot. I don't know what the release date is, but it'll be soon.

Airbuddha


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Old Guy
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posted 01-20-2000 04:37 PM     Profile for Old Guy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
My old man worked on P-61s in Europe. Since the Luftwaffe mostly wasn't around, especially in the last few months of the war, these birds spent a lot of time strafing. He did tell me about a pilot who made sort of a speciality out of shooting down JU-52 transports. He had to drop the gear and flaps in order to stay behind them. One short burst and the JU-52 would kind of vaporize.
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RossC
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posted 01-20-2000 04:50 PM     Profile for RossC   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
The early model P-61's didn't have the turret as they found it caused some bad tailplane buffeting. They got it sorted out for later B models, and I think all C's had them. The C's also had 2800hp Double Wasps as opposed to the A and B's 2000hp versions, hence the very quick top speed for an airplane the size of a B-26

Can't wait for 2.1, should be awesome!

~Ross


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posted 01-20-2000 10:46 PM     Profile for KMHPaladin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
You beat me to it, Ross. The Widow did indeed have problems early on with buffeting as a result of the turret, but it was sorted out in later models. I don't believe all Widows were "black" either - I have a Monogram model that features one scheme that, if I recall correctly, is painted OD/Neutral Grey. I'll have to check up on that one. Well, can't wait for ECAP 2.1 - have a great one folk!

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RossC
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posted 01-20-2000 11:45 PM     Profile for RossC   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Here, I found a cool page . Some folks are restoring a P-61 to flying status:

http://www.maam.org/p61.html

There were actually a few P-61 aces in the ETO, as opposed to only one in the PTO.

Cool, cool airplane.

~Ross

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bucky-s
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posted 01-21-2000 01:39 AM     Profile for bucky-s   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Last widespread use of the P-61 was as tornado chasers in the Midwest up to the end of the 1950s!
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Old Guy
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posted 01-21-2000 12:20 PM     Profile for Old Guy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Another story my dad told about P-61s: A pilot came back from a mission one day, went directly to the gun camera and ripped the film out, exposing it. He never told anyone what he shot down. Guess he didn't want credit . . .

Dad was a Air Corps Master Sargeant in a small maintenance detachment which supported primarily P-61s. They went into France on June 28, 1944 and operated in France, then Belgium and Germany until the war ended. Shall I post more of his stories as they seem appropriate?


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RossC
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posted 01-21-2000 01:01 PM     Profile for RossC   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Please do! There is virtually no info on the web (that I don't already have), though I found some cool info from the flight manual, including video clips from a training film:

http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/MoreP-61Stuff.html

~Ross

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Donster
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posted 01-21-2000 02:20 PM     Profile for Donster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Old Guy,

Post away! Lets hear em'! And anyone else, please do so too!

Donster


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Old Guy
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posted 01-21-2000 04:14 PM     Profile for Old Guy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
For all you who like the p-61:
Wings/Airpower ran a very comprehensive series on the Black Widow in the 1970s. I think the series appeared in three or four issues. I have them somewhere. My dad and I compared his pictures to the magazine's and found a lot of the same aircraft.
I don't know if reprints are still available but one could always try!

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posted 01-21-2000 04:26 PM     Profile for BeerNBrats   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Anyone interested in reading or contributing war stories, check out
http://www.thedropzone.org

It's set up as a virtual war museum and has some great stuff....

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