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Emil
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posted 01-08-2000 01:29 PM     Profile for Emil   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I saw JWC's maps with the airport names on E's EAW site. It seems that every airport has a number in the EAW code (maximum 162 airports). Isn't it possible to change the name attached to the numbers in the code? This way we could have airport and location names as inspiring as Guadalcanal, Henderson Field, Savo Island, Tulagi, Buka, Munda, Rabaul, Port Moresby, Buna, Gona, Salamaua, Lae, Dutch Harbor, Kiska, Truk, Kwajalein, Tarawa, Peleliu, Wake, Midway, Pearl Harbor, Okinawa, Formosa, Iwo Jima, Espirito Santo, Guam, Bataan Peninsula, Clark Field, Luzon, Leyte and many other very interesting places to invade, to bomb, to strafe or to defend.
Maybe I give too much the impression that I want a pacific campaign . Can someone please make it happen ?

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Cortilein
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posted 01-08-2000 01:58 PM     Profile for Cortilein     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Well, good idea, Emil. You should be able to change the names in the appropriate STR file with a hex editor tool, but be careful not to destroy the file by doing this. You should always make a copy of the files you want to change this way.

Anyway, how good are Pacific region airfields when there's no Pacific map for them?

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Stanley99
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posted 01-08-2000 02:57 PM     Profile for Stanley99     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Hmm... haven't tried the pacific terrain myself yet, but is there a way, when Alt/M, to get a pacific map up there???

Is there a way to change it?


Stan

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JayP
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posted 01-10-2000 06:48 AM     Profile for JayP   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
If you were to be using the pacific terrain that I made, the problem would that it bears no relation to any real geographic region of this planet. It's just the european terrain with every texture tile replaced by ocean except for the cities, forests and mountains.

I think it would help with immersion to change the names of the cities to those of pacific islands and change the inflight map to reflect the actual terrain you would be flying over, but it still wouldn't be the 'real' pacific!


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Charles
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posted 01-10-2000 07:05 PM     Profile for Charles     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Not a problem, but a large job. The names of all the cities and airfields are contained in the file TARNAMES.STR, and can be easily-enough changed. All that is needed is the 160 or some names of places in Japan, Phillipines, Australia, New Guinea, Hawaii, and the Pacific islands, and it can be done.
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Charles
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posted 01-10-2000 09:44 PM     Profile for Charles     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I just checked, and the file TARNAMES.STR has 308 names in it (cities as well as airfields). I have done a dumped TXT file of these names, so if anyone wants to change 308 names to Pacific ones, let me know, and I can send you the TXT file. Once this is changed I can convert the TXT file back into the STR file for EAW to use. Any takers?
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Emil
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posted 01-11-2000 12:37 AM     Profile for Emil   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I volunteer. I'll be using "The Pacific War Atlas 1941-1945" by David Smurthwaite.

I looked in my EAW directory, but didn't find a tarnames.str file only a tartype.str.

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Stanley99
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posted 01-11-2000 01:03 AM     Profile for Stanley99     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Yep, volunteer too...


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Charles
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posted 01-11-2000 05:27 AM     Profile for Charles     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Volunteers. Excellent!
O.K., it is on its way. TARTYPES.STR is found in the file TEXT_ENG.CDF, and has to be extracted with Paulo's CDF extractor utility. I have used Paulo's DUMPSTR.EXE to create a corresponding TXT file called TARTYPES.TXT. I will send you both files. Make the name changes to the TXT file (keeping the format of one name per line, plus the introductory lines), and send it back to me when done ([email protected]). Names can be longer or shorter than the original, so long as the format is retained. I will then re-compile it into the STR file for use in EAW. I suggest that German place names be replaced by Japanese or Korean ones, French place names by Phillipine, Indonesian, Malayan or Pacific island ones, Dutch/Belgian names by names from Okinawa/Iwo Jima, and British place names with names from Australia, Hawaii, New Guinea and New Caledonia, and maybe India/Burma.

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Emil
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posted 01-12-2000 09:29 AM     Profile for Emil   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I think I've been a bit hyperenthousiastic. I looked at the EAW European map and compared it with a map of the Far East & Pacific area. I drew some conclusions that I already knew before, but that I chose to ignore when I read Charles Gunst's proposition.
First conclusion: the Pacific with or without Australia, Burma, New Guinea is much much larger.
Second conclusion: if we use the EAW map the allies would fly all their missions from Australia (=Brittish Isles), all the pacific islands would be neighbors and the overall geographical position of all the islands and countries would be wrong. Midway and Port Moresby would be in occupied France.
Third conclusion: north, south, east and west would become west, east, north and south respectively.
Final conclusion: this map would be a VERY poor man's Pacific Theatre of operations. I think we'll have to wait for a completely new Pacific flight sim to have a realistic map.

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Twitch
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posted 01-12-2000 02:51 PM     Profile for Twitch   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Hey Charles- remember in AOTP/AOE before the code was hacked for shapes we were just painting planes that if you squinted hard it sort of looked like another? Then people were griping that, say a Val from AOTP painted green & without Japanese insignia, was called a Stuka in AOE. They complained it wasn't a really new plane. And now as cool as EAW is that same thing is ok with everyone....which it should be.
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Charles
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posted 01-19-2000 05:33 AM     Profile for Charles     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Yes Twitch, I remember. It was an easier sim to edit, in some ways, AOE. Especially good was the ability to create new 3D aircraft shapes. I remember that I even did a Fiat CR42 and a Gloster Gladiator once. Pity Microprose won't let us into the secret for EAW.
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Charles
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posted 01-19-2000 12:54 PM     Profile for Charles     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Hey, Emil and Stanley99. How is it going with the Pacific names? Did you manage to compile a list of names (in any order will do), that could be plugged into TARNAMES.STR? All help appreciated.
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Stanley99
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posted 01-19-2000 09:19 PM     Profile for Stanley99     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Still working on it - halfway through!


Stan

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Charles
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posted 01-20-2000 03:08 AM     Profile for Charles     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Good man. Let me know if I can help in any way.
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JWC
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posted 01-20-2000 03:56 AM     Profile for JWC     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Emil, Stanley99: Keep up the good work!

I think this is a GREAT idea. No, it won't be a true map in the sense of making geographic sense, but it should add to the immersive feel. I'd kind of like to take off from Henderson Field in a Lightning or a Hellcat and hunt for Zekes and Tonys over Espiritu Santo and Bougainville or escort B-24's to Rabaul. It would be fun to scramble from Kunming in a P-40 or intercept Bettys over Port Moresby. That sounds better than taking off from Tangmere in a Hellcat and engaging Zeroes over Cormeilles or escorting bombers to Zwickau and Oschersleben!


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Charles
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posted 01-20-2000 04:18 PM     Profile for Charles     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Exactly, JWC. It is the immersion factor of flying a shark-mouth P38F from Henderson Field, or a P40E Kittyhawk from Morotai, and tangling with Oscars, Zeros and Bettys over Vella Lavella or Tarakan, rather than over Paris or Antwerp. JayP's Pacific terrain plus new names will help a lot.
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Stanley99
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posted 01-21-2000 03:29 AM     Profile for Stanley99     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Well, as said, I am still working - and don't think it is very easy to come up with 308 names!!!

It's more work than I thought, first to suss out which target is which nationality, and then find proper names in other nationalities... And, I have to change the names while not mixing up the localities in the pacific/eastern asia area too much...

Just give me time guys, my computer time is somewhat limited now, little Stan want my time too, another week and I am done...


Stan the stressed-out man

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