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Admin
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posted 01-03-2000 11:41 AM     Profile for Admin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Guys,

Here's the deal:

I would like to allow the occasional "Babe" pic, but I see that this may not be possible.

We have a choice to make: allow the occasional, tasteful Babe pic; or disallow them completely.

What the anti-Babe Pic people may not understand is that if I turn disallow the posting of Babe Pics it would also disallow the posting of aircraft pics too. I doubt any of us would want that!

So, I'm opening this thread to both Pro-Babe and Anti-Babe points of view.

To start things off, consider this:

All Babe pics must be tasteful! If there's a babe in a bikini but said bikini is a bit too revealing it'll be deleted (the post, not the bikini).

All Babe pics must be clearly labeled as such in the subject line. Just the word "Babe" would be sufficient. Avoid sarcastic warnings.

Keep the babes to a minimum! This subject matter became a problem when we got more than one pic a day. One should be more than enough.

Lose the Flanker babe pics. That joke is over and to continue it only invites increasingly offensive images.

I now yield the floor to the next speaker.

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posted 01-03-2000 11:49 AM     Profile for mane_raptor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
A fair and wise set of rules, Doug.

The Flanker Babe bit was wearing thin anyways.

Thanks for stepping in.

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posted 01-03-2000 12:15 PM     Profile for CFrancisco   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Doug,

Touche... Veilen Danke... S!

Check 6.. thumper..out


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posted 01-03-2000 12:50 PM     Profile for guitarman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
sounds fair to me.
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posted 01-03-2000 01:33 PM     Profile for Gen Savage   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I think the "fair and balanced" approach regarding "babe" pics should work. I think much of the recent frenzy of babe pics was fueled by the "quest for 10K". Now that that's past, I think there will be fewer posts along those lines, and we can be all the more appreciative of said posts when they do appear.
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posted 01-03-2000 01:44 PM     Profile for Tailspin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Sorry, but I always believed in self regulation. IMHO as long as the pics are not beyond the currently accepted guidlines the ADMIN should not get involved. Was does it always seem that a vocal few always get the ear of the "government" while freedom suffers!
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posted 01-03-2000 01:48 PM     Profile for Opa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
This IS a EAW-forum, Tailspin. I can imagine the outcries if someone suddenly started large political debates in the forum. Would you support a guy who posted a "quote of the day"-serie from the czech national budget? With new threads every day?

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posted 01-03-2000 01:58 PM     Profile for mane_raptor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Tailspin...if I may use a WWII era-phrase "Don't get knicker in a knot"!!!!

Even the staunchest Libertarian must agree that some rules are necessary for good order.

Doug's are fine with me.

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posted 01-03-2000 02:18 PM     Profile for Donster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
It appears that "I" am the biggest cause of the so called problems on this site. Too many Babe posts, Flanker joke no longer funny, etc. So, I am contemplating either stopping posting here altogether, or only the occasional EAW SPECIFIC post.
Well it was fun while it lasted.

Donster


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posted 01-03-2000 02:19 PM     Profile for Tailspin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Guys, I just don't think its time for the ADMIN to get invloved. Opa, an occasional comment on current affairs would be acceptable. Anything can become bothersome in excess. The Germlish thing IMHO was very annoying after it started showing up in almost every thread. The Babe pics are/will be getting "old" soon too. I believe the "problem" will take care of itself, eventually. When posters start complaining then most will abide and regulate themselves. Just like Germlish.(Actually very little of those threads were any more "EAW related" than "babe pics"). Responsibility begins with ourselves. I, for one, don't want the ADMIN controlling content any more than it HAS to. If the majority of the posters don't agree with the content of a thread and someone continues the objectional behavior the its time for outside intervention. I don't think we're at that point..yet.

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posted 01-03-2000 02:31 PM     Profile for Tailspin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Donster...You got your post in while I was typing mine. DON'T YOU DARE GIVE IN to a few naysayers. You have just as much right to post here as anyone does. There is nothing wrong with posting your pics. As I have said in ohter posts, I usually don't view the babe threads,not because I object though, I am just more interested in all things EAW. I jsut don't feel those post interfere in ANY way with my obtaining info on EAW. I don't understand why others are having problems avoiding the "babes" if they really want to!
Sorry for yelling but don't let them win the war for your mind,he,he

No...I'm not contradicting myself. I will defend everyone's right to express themselves.

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posted 01-03-2000 03:49 PM     Profile for MajorLee   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
As a contributor to the "babe situation", I must make a comment or two. As regards free speech: Your freedom of speech ends at your mouth. No one is obligated to listen, or provide you a forum for you to be heard. In that regard, Doug Helmer, and the folks at Combatsim.com are providing all of us a service, free of charge. They are paying for it, and therefore have the right to set the rules, whether or not we think they are reasonable or not. ( I think they are... ) All of my pictures are my original work; Heidi and Naomi are compensated models. I also pay to host the pictures on the internet, unlike some of the pictures, which were simply linked to other sites. There are copyright and bandwidth theft issues when you cause a picture from someone elses website to appear here. In this manner, there is something wrong with people posting pics here; but it is not the "content", rather the "method". I am sure Doug is concerned about his liability in that regard. ( Nothing personal, Donster, you may not have considered, or known about that possibility...) Also, Admin has been involved from day one; it is their forum. Doug may not have had a clear direction to take this issue, but it has gotten to the point where he must do something. Moderate rules are acceptable, even vintage Vargas posters, and nose art are probably ok. Even my racy Heidi pics seem ok, as they have not been removed; however, using others copyrighted work is another matter. In this regard, if Doug says Heidi is too much for this forum, I will instead inform any who are interested, about a weekly babe shot in the file cabinet inside the Aerodrome.
So, to sum up my point, Doug's rules are fine with me; If I do not like them, I can go start my own EAW forum. I am in agreement with Mane Raptor on this issue.

Major Lee


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posted 01-03-2000 04:44 PM     Profile for Airbuddha   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Although I may have little or no appreciation for contemporary "Babe" pics, I do however enjoy vintage nose-art material from the WWII era, escpecially Vargas girls.

Airbuddha


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posted 01-03-2000 04:45 PM     Profile for Bigshot   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I don't think Opa should complain about anything. Just go back to the current events forum here and look and see all the postings of words he put there. Words = Pictures. Both are communcations and one form should not be censored while the other remains. Whatever happens with the posters or posts; I hope the heck any limitation doesn't include the babes on the fronts of those B17s. A skin without a little skin is boring. HEHEHE. Hey CFran. Nice job of chastising on the other thread. To your comments, I say "ditto". Guten Abin (sp).
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posted 01-03-2000 05:30 PM     Profile for Ernie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Too bad this whole contraversy got started. I must admit enjoying the bikini pics - they reminded me what it is that I am flying to protect! But given the present contraversy, I respect Administrations right to intervene, though I am sorry about the necessity to do so. It's Admin's site, after all. What's the saying - 'Whose bread you eat, his song you sing" something like that.

I think it's reasonable for Admin to ask that bikini pics be clearly labled as such in order to warn those who would be offended by viewing them not to open them. This would protect these individuals from an experience they find offensive while also protecting some freedom of expression along the way. I also feel Admin has the right to ask that private body parts generally acknowledged to be sexually private not be exposed. I feel that protesting the right of Admin to set their own house in order by modifying what is acceptable on their own web-site is as unreasonable as individuals who find a particular thing offensive attempting to ban it for all others while they have the freedom of not viewing these offensive things.

I kinda hope things can continue on in a relaxed and tolerant spirit on this great web-site.


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posted 01-03-2000 05:35 PM     Profile for Dog_boy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
To the persons posting the "Babe" pics, read the fine print.

This excerpt is taken from the agreement you signed when registering to use the EAW BB

“You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this BB.”

The problem seems to be that a small number of malcontents namely Donster, Bucky-S and Mane-Raptor feel that the rest of the group must participate in their vulgar and sexually oriented discussion. The conduct of these two cannot be seen to be typical of the rest of the group, who, for the most part, act responsible and helpful.

It is quite clear that actions such as those carried out by these three cannot be justified, nor can it be condoned any longer. I feel that leaving the image attachments in place will only lead to more abuse instead of being used as it was intended.

Solution. Ban all attachments. If the “Babe” pics cannot be filtered out then all attachments must go. Failing to do so will leave both the person posting the vulgar and sexually oriented images and the operators of the forum open to litigation by those persons who are affected or object to the images.

Dog_Boy


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posted 01-03-2000 05:37 PM     Profile for D. S. Lang   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I'm new to this forum but not to the internet so you'll understand that I'm amazed at the quality of most of the posts.

There are lots of places to get babe pics. Only one to get good EAW info.

You've created a great virtual community here. I'm sure you'll work this issue out.

take care,

dave


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posted 01-03-2000 06:11 PM     Profile for Bigshot   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Well, I for one would like the posters to continue. So long as they continue to be in good taste. Which they have been so far. Now, which one of you morality fanatics think you have the right to deny me my rights? No, don't bother to answer, you'll just prove my point. I guess there will always be a certain segment of the population that thinks they know best and therefore can pass judgment on the rest of us.
Too; Mane-Raptor, CFran; Donster. Continue if you like. I enjoy the change of pace and it makes the board more interesting for many of us.
BTW; who the heck is Ernie and Dog_Boy. Must be some of the rightwing called in to pass their righteous along, I guess.

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posted 01-03-2000 06:19 PM     Profile for kjuice   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
like i said, 1 babe an week is good enuf for me. just a thought, if people think babe pics are offensive and pornish, what do they think when they go to the beach?
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posted 01-03-2000 06:22 PM     Profile for bucky-s   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Dog-boy sounds like a lawyer to me. Who else could come out of nowhere and start spouting "litigation" like that?

"First thing after the revolution: hang all the lawyers"
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posted 01-03-2000 06:39 PM     Profile for MajorLee   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I don't believe, DogBoy, that because someone "objects" to the bikini pictures that the Admin will face any kind of litigation. ( oooohhh, I'm so upset, I saw a bare *** and tiny bikini... I'm gonna sue!!! ) Go for it.... The copyright infringement and bandwidth useage might be another matter, however. All of us did click on the "I agree" box to sign up here. We should abide by the rules that were first laid out. Now, to define "obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law." I don't think any of my work (ie- Hiedi pics) fits in any of the previous categories; I can't help it if someone else's mind goes straight to the gutter just because they saw a picture of a woman. I guess some people are just hung up about what they can't have.
And to clarify, BigShot, I am a member of the "righteous rightwing", but I do not believe that the most beautiful thing ever created should be hidden. You are committing the fallacy of composition; you have mistakenly applied a few stereotyped traits to a whole group of people. In the end, it does not matter that several of us think that babe pics belong on this forum or not; the forum does not belong to us, and the decision is not ours to make. That does not mean we cannot influence the decision regarding rules(ie- I'll leave and not come back if I don't like the rules), only that we should agree to a set of "community standards", like those laid out by Doug Helmer regarding frequency, content, ownership, etc....

Major Lee


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posted 01-03-2000 08:33 PM     Profile for Bigshot   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
MajorLee; When I refer to the righeous rightwing; I'm talking about that small group in the farrrrrrrr right!!!!. You know, those that aren't even on the "bell curve" anymore. I'm not referring to the republican party in and of itself or conservatives in general. Sorry, should have made that more clear.
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posted 01-03-2000 08:34 PM     Profile for Bigshot   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Geez; I can't even spell the word. "Righteous" I think that's right.
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posted 01-03-2000 08:42 PM     Profile for mane_raptor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Dear Dog_boy

Your slip is showing!!!!!

If you check I have never, repeat never posed anything remotely close to a Babe pic (unless you consider Natasha from Rocky & Bullwinkle a babe, in which case you have bigger things to worry about).

So to all of you Tucker, Judge, Dog_boy, and anybody else that thinks they have the corner on morality, I give you a all a hearty, full blown and as loud as possible Bronx Cheer.....PHATTTTTT!!!!

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posted 01-03-2000 09:39 PM     Profile for Tailspin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Let me try to clarify my point of view. I am not advocating disregard for the rules that our kind ADMIN chooses to impose. That is indeed their right and responsibility. What I am advocating is the opportunity for us as a group to work this out without the imposition of more controls by the ADMIN. The "situation" has not progressed IMHO to the point that intervention is necessary.

The original opposition to the "babe" posts was not that numerous and I see many negative comments from some who hardly ever post here. Why? Some just like to feed the fire I guess.

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How cool. Seems that those "come-into-any-forum-and-start-complaining"-guys have it their ways again... and believe me, I've seen them in many other forums - it's just a matter of time when they pop in...

As mentioned, the "Babe" threads would have diminished or been reduced by themselves anyway - like a joke told too often - it becomes boring with time.

It would have been just so simple...don't click on a thread when it is obvious that you won't like the content - but... some of us seem not to be able to do this - it's like boiling water on a oven, putting the finger into it, and then complaining about getting hurt - even when mummy told the little boy before he shouldn't. Talk about maturity...

And don't tell me that it is oh-so hard to find the EAW-stuff between all the "non-EAW-related" stuff (whatever the definition), even when they appear on page 2 - it's just a mouseclick! A simple tiny move with ONE finger!

Well, rules are rules, and when the Admin pops in and offers a deal - cool, you are not "imposing" something, you first want to hear opinions - we should agree on what to do...

I personally like the "Babe" threads - and, before some of you guys start shouting at me - not because I am a pervert, or because I have nothing better to do than stare at pictures of girls in bikinis. I think this threads, and others, just make this forum more vivid, that's it. And I am not scared or offended when my eyes catch the image of a lightly dressed women - I don't live in the middle-ages. Tell me anything which is more beautiful than a women! If I would (emphasy on the word "would") want to watch porn-stuff, I wouldn't go to a games-forum anyway, rather somewhere else.

If now, because of the Admin's decision, the "Babes" disappear here, that's fine with me too - and YES, they have nothing to do with a flight-simulator.

But what keeps a forum alive? Come on, think of it - if you would only allow technical stuff, gameplay and tactics, and NOTHING else, any forum would soon wore out. ANY question has already been asked - and answered... All you would need is a homepage, with a lot of pages, like a readme-file - and not a forum, where people discuss - and it is only naturally that discussions tend to stray from the topic for a while!

Whatever the outcome, I will stick to the rules given by the Admin - this is not my webpage, not my domain, and I am not paying for it...

But I am very interested what the complainers will do then - and with this I mean the guys which pop in here JUST to complain! Here I have been misunderstood - having 5 posts or 5 zillions doesn't deny or give you any right here - but the guy I meant has registered the same day and just started complaining, even flaming, nothing else, right away.

What I would like to have banned, is people who do nothing else then start flaming right from the start - it is THEM who destroy a forum! But I know this is 1.) impossible, 2.) not liberal thinking, and 3.) against the freedom of speech - so it's completely illusional and out of the question.

Not to forget - if they will be still permitted, yes, Babe pics should stay where they belong - in threads clearly titled as such!

Let's sit back and see...
Stan

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posted 01-03-2000 10:58 PM     Profile for Fenris   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I found wading thru the number of 'babe' posts to find actual EAW info quite tedious.

Porn is easy to get on the net...go get it yourself.

Keep the board on topic.

No I don't find it offensive I just think that there's a time and a place. I come here to find out about EAW not chick's. I can do that at Salonkitty, Fly's Famous Females or my collection of 50+ porno mags etc.

My suggestion would be to have a maybe ONE thread a week for pics. This would save having to scroll thru them all looking for EAW posts.

Thanks
Fen


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posted 01-04-2000 12:15 AM     Profile for MadWallaby   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Tut tut. I go on holidays for a little while and look what happens.

I'm going to display my complete and utter ignorance (as usual) here and ask: Is it possible to subdivide a forum? Somehow separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to Technical/Gameplay/Tactics/MP Challenges vs Babes/Humour/Flick-Buckmasteresque Silliness?

All of us want to help other players out, to relate our experiences, and to discuss WWII-era aviation. Some of us want to engage in not-so-quite EAW related stuff as well. Perhaps it's time to split the content?

By the way, I like the babes; it's not like the pictures are obscene or anything. I like the humour. That said, I can also do without them. No big deal.

Oh, and Happy New Year, everyone! Welcome to The Naughties!

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posted 01-04-2000 12:33 AM     Profile for Admin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Hi Guys,

As Judge Wapner used to say "I have read everyone's statements and have come to a decision."

First, let me say I am really impressed with the level of rhetoric exhibited here over a few babe pics! The last time I heardsomeone accuse someone else of using an inductive fallacy I was sitting in a university lecture hall and we were discussing "man's inhumanity to man". Very cool. But I digress.

I share the view with several posters here that this forum is a community first. In other words, discussions here were never intended to be solely about EAW "The Game". This forum is intended for EAW "The Players."

I, for one, have enjoyed the stories in Germlish and taken a peek (or six) at the Babe Pics. In addition, I've always found this place to be the source of the best advice on how to get my own copy of EAW running properly---all I had to do was post a question and within minutes (sometimes less than a minute) I'd have a response with the answer.

As such, I will continue to allow the Babe pics. I'm quite sure the posters of the images now know what type of content will fall within (or beyond) the pale of acceptability.

I also do not believe that the Babe pics, if clearly labeled, clutter the forum. How anything that requires an eighth-of-an-inch finger movement to skip simply doesn't qualify as clutter. Now, if it required heavy lifting to skip over such threads, I'd agree.

As for the "Terms of Use" agreement when people sign up, that is boiler-plate that came with the software and I have simply left it as is. To change it so that it embodies all the nuances of freedom of speech and expression particular to the simming community would be impossible.

I will say this with regard to my apparent lackadaisical enforcement of the terms of use, however: If anyone thinks I'll allow anarchy to reign here, you'll have another think coming.

To the Anti-Babeites I say this, skip the Babe Pics and when you have a question about EAW, post it here. Chances are that the posters of the Babe Pics and several Pro-Babeites will answer your question quickly and appropriately. More quickly and appropriately than would occur were we to run said Pro-Babeites off the premises.

Oh, last thing seeing as a new post came up while writing this: no, I cannot sub-divide this forum. I wouldn't want to anyway because I think the current structure flows very nicely and to break it up would destroy that flow (sorry if that didn't make any sense).

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posted 01-04-2000 02:28 AM     Profile for Pharaoh   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
All I can say to that Doug is,

"Here, Here!! Thank You!!"

By the way, take note of my "signature." I try very hard to live by that. So sad that so many do not.


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Rejoice! We are the subjects of an enlightened monarch!

Doug rules!


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posted 01-04-2000 02:52 AM     Profile for Edwin Rommel   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Herr Helmer

I recall a while ago we had a poll on ze average age of ze simmers in EAW and it turned out to be mostly a bunch of fogies approaching middle-age crises and shut down- (Ich am one as well).

Zhis would explain ze warm-up needed to get ze motors running- after-all, no-one in his right mind vould try to take-off mit ein cold Daimler-Benz engine!

I digress, I think it is healthy to allow self-regulating to happen, and I salute your efforts to make this remain so- and within limits- I believe that this bunch of old fogies would be mature enough to regulate zhemselves !

I also get ze feeling zhat zhere seems to be a bit of anti-Germlish sentiment, and anti-story sentiment running in the forum- Thanks für pointing towards the "EAW-the players" concept of this forum. This has helped to put the on-topic/off-topic question in the right perspective. This forum has turned into a "community", and it is that that makes people come back!

True Democracy is the right to ignore posts that offend your own values!

Danke!

E.R.


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posted 01-04-2000 03:08 AM     Profile for Pharaoh   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
PLEASE Herr Rommel, don't ever halten your sprechen sie Germlish. All too often I come onto the Forum in anticipation of finding a good chuckle and I derive great humor from the regular "germlish" jargon.

Even spoke it myself once before defecting to Arkansas and learning the local language to fit in better.

(Formerly known as "Germann Herring"

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posted 01-04-2000 03:25 AM     Profile for guitarman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Let's hear it for admin!
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posted 01-04-2000 05:48 AM     Profile for MajorLee   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
In all things, gentlemen, moderation....

Major Lee


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posted 01-04-2000 05:53 AM     Profile for CFrancisco   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Is all this hubbub about the babe pics over? ... can we get back to normality here... I for one never thought that it would cause such a ruckus. I and I hate to say this.. I "assumed" that all of us in this forum were mature enough to handle such content without crying to mama about it.

I thank Doug for "laying down the law" and hopefully we can all get back to doing what this forum and its predecessor have been doing for the last year. Talking about the things we love as a FLight Sim community with several things in common EAW and Life.

check 6...thumper..out


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posted 01-04-2000 09:18 AM     Profile for Opa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Bigshot, that comment on the "current events"-forum was way out of line. In that forum, I post RELEVANT information. If I had posted them here, it wouldn't be relevant. But it is there. Go read all of them, I bet you haven't read a single one yet. You really pissed me off with that post, and I expect an apology.

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posted 01-04-2000 10:09 AM     Profile for Gen Savage   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Bigshot: As a proud member of the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy", I also enjoy the babe pics, and I think you might reconsider who is really so upset over the pics. If the people who object are doing so along the lines of "It's exploiting women!", that's PC liberalism all the way. And let's face it-the PC movement restricts more speech, thoughts and ideas than any movement in a long time, and it runs hand in hand with modern liberalism!
As to this whole raging controversy about the pics-it's Doug's forum, he's cool with it, has laid down guidelines any reasonable person can abide by-end of story!

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posted 01-04-2000 11:14 AM     Profile for Gavin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I vote for 'occasional good-taste pic'.

And please... no more posts of airplane pics with 'GIRLS! GIRLS! GIRLS!' or 'FREE PORN!!!' as the subject matter, ect... This makes the board look like a porn exchange site to any casual observer. Let's grow up a little, shall we?

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posted 01-04-2000 03:11 PM     Profile for Tailspin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Well Mr. Helmer, You have restored my faith in leadership(in this forum's case anyway ) I was actually seriously considering taking a hiatus from posting here before I read your decision.(Maybe just a little forum burn out, but the more I thought about the whole situation, the madder I got.) Might just hang around now.

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