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CornFlake
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posted 12-15-1999 08:04 AM     Profile for CornFlake   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I post this to see if you have my problem and give me any solution.
Basically: Gustavs are disapointing. When I try to engage a formation of heavies (not Marauders or Mosquitos), I feel like shooting confetti to those monsters.
Obviously, I don't have that problem with the other jaėgers. Usually I can score even 4 heavies just with the 20mm cannons (before i went without a single round), and shoot down one or two escorts with the MG151's with the Anton before get winchester.
But with the Gustav it requires much, much more. More than once I found myself blamming on the Gustav and hoping for the old Emil.
Are there any kind of working patches for get more firepower? I mean like the 20mm or 30mm additional gondolas.
(I own the spanish version, but maybe I can use any patch)

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JG5_Jerry
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posted 12-15-1999 08:23 AM     Profile for JG5_Jerry   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
ECA Panel 2 will allow you to take up the 109G6/R6 against those heavies - this gives it a pair of wing-mounted 20mm cannons. Flight performance is degraded, but it gives you what you need.
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VonBroam
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posted 12-15-1999 12:46 PM     Profile for VonBroam   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
As with amny of the German "Experten" I have learned the secret to flying the 109 versus the heavies is accuracy. While flying the 109 k (no added weapons) I took out 3 b-17s by carefully aiming at the engines during high speed passes. Also aim for the wing roots (the area between the inboard engines and the fuselage) I had enought MG ammo left that I managed to take a single Mustang out before running for home.
The added weapons for the 109 really help out, but I dislike the degraded handling.

VonBroam out
Semper Fidelis


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CornFlake
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posted 12-15-1999 04:57 PM     Profile for CornFlake   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
That's what I was looking for, Jerry, thanks a lot. At least I know that it exists, but I have another problem (I know, I know... sometimes I feel like Forrest Gump): where can I find that ECA Panel 2? Is it a patch from somewhere? And, if it's a patch, it will appear in the options, like the rockets or the fuel tanks? Are there other options for other fighters?

Herr VonBroam, I always figured my aiming was good, but compared with you, mein herr, I'm just a beginner. The KCO with diamonds is not enough for you!


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VonBroam
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posted 12-15-1999 07:30 PM     Profile for VonBroam   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
The quality of my aim is inversely porpotional to the number of Guinnesses I have had in an evening. GF quote "Gees you sure have been crashing a lot tonight" Typical response, "Grumble Grumble, wheres's the Mountain Dew"
Seriously, it simply takes practice. My eye hand coordination is probably lower than average (translation I suck at first person shooter games) and it is always important to keep your speed up (and fun too try a head on pass against a large formation and keep your speed above 400 mph, YeeHaa!!)


VonBroam out
Semper Fidelis


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JWC
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posted 12-15-1999 11:32 PM     Profile for JWC     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
CornFlake,

I feel like shooting confetti to those monsters

Yes, you're not alone. I think that's the way most German pilots in WWII felt about taking on American bombers with the 109's armament, too!--and why heavier armament had to be added, even at the expense of performance.

where can I find that ECA Panel 2?:

To use ECA Panel 2.0 you must also have Enemy Coast Ahead 1.4. (ECA 1.4 is about an 8MB download. If you already have an earlier edition of ECA, there is a much smaller [141Kb] ECA 1.4 Update you can download instead which will bring your earlier version up to 1.4 level). You have to install ECA 1.4 first, then install ECA Panel 2.0. You can get both of them from the ECA Online downloads page.

ECA Online

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...it will appear in the options...?

The different cannon armament will not appear in your options in EAW, you will have to choose that particular plane in ECA Panel before you actually start EAW. Your choice will then be used by ALL of THAT TYPE of aircraft in your game (example: if you select Me109G-6/R6 then all the Me109G's in the game will be Me109G-6/R6's). If you want a different type of Me109G for your next game, you simply change the Me109G entry in ECA Panel to whatever you want prior to starting your next game.

Are there other options for other fighters?

Yes, although how many depends on which fighter you are referring to and which nationality it is. In general, German aircraft have more armament options (gunwise, at least) than Allied. That's because the Germans were forced to transform many of their fighters from lightweight models into heavily armed and armored bomber-busters as the war progressed, and do the same to their twin-engine models (Me110, 410, Ju88). This led to numerous variants. By contrast, the Allies were primarily concerned with shooting down German fighters, and thus did not have the impetus to have to mount guns of increasing destructive power and range (and weight) on their fighters. There are few differences in gun armament between American fighters (most carry a number of .50 caliber MG's--the only question is how many .50s). The principal choice for British fighters is a combination of 20mm cannon and .303 cal. MG's (with the exception of the Spitfire MkXIVe which mounted 2 20mm cannon and 2 .50 cal. MG's).


I'm not a very good shot either. In the basic Me109G-6 (1 20mm cannon, 2 13mm MG) I have NEVER shot down a B-17 or B-24 in a single pass. Normally it takes me about 3! Things change immensely with the G-6/R6 though. Three times as much 20mm makes a big difference. Usually I can take out one bomber per pass. I have a friend who can shoot down more--he tries to approach the bombers with a moderate overtake speed and sit back there hammering away at them. He's also constantly being harried by escort fighters, though, and gets shot down by them quite a bit. I always try to attack with at least 350mph TAS, and sometimes close to 400. I've never been hit by an escort fighter on the way in to the bombers (the only time I was ever shot down by an American escort figher [off-line, of course!] was when I came off the target and I was suddenly hit. The only thing near me was a Thunderbolt over 1500 ft back. Naturally my wingmen, who usually call out EVERY single fighter within 10,000ft heading in the OPPOSITE direction at 400+mph, never gave me any warning!). Fly slow/kill lots of bombers/provide target for enemy fighters---or--keep speed up/one pass=one bomber/be tough for enemy fighters to shoot-----I guess it's all a matter of philosophy!

[This message has been edited by JWC (edited 12-16-1999).]


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CornFlake
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posted 12-16-1999 06:27 AM     Profile for CornFlake   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
THANKS JWC!!!
I would pay you three packs of Estrella Dorada (spanish beer, the best!) if I could! I went there and saw what's in ECA. It seems that Santa was waiting for me there in! Tonight I'll download all that I can and made the first flight with the new/upgraded fighters and bombers. Thanks, thanks, thanks...OO.

Yes, I know almost every historical modification on axis-allied aircrafts. In fact, when I was a kid (that was before Gates learned to say "microchip") I began to study all that i could about WW2, and made dozens of 1:72 models. EAW is the game I dreamed for all my life, and this ECA panels will give me all the rest that I hoped for when they work in my C:.

THANKS A LOT
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