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Edwin Rommel
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posted 09-28-1999 02:13 AM     Profile for Edwin Rommel   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Mein Herren
Ich belief zat ze best Ami bomber tin-opener ist ze Me 410 (wiv vun smokin maschine) . I vas usink ze Me 109 G und K before, but no gluck wiv zem. Ze K maybe, but keep your distance from ze Ami's- otherwise, one pass, und then it is ze short way home= straight down. Ze 190's are better, but wiv dein schwarm kameraden only along for ze sight seeing tour, instead of ze fight, also zese maschine does not last very long in ze .50's.

I also tried ze Me 110 . Vat fun it iz to zee the Belgian/French/Deutches country from ze comfort of your own little fallschirm!! Der Kanal tends to be a bit kalt from time to time (Zis is zo Herr CFrancisco, nein?)- Do your gunners also prefer to go down vif ze maschine rather than bail out (I,ve never seen them following me- or did I not look hard enough?), but maybe it is safer to stay in the maschine rather zan risking another flight in a Stuka or Heinkel, nein?

Ze Junkers 88 G- scheiss- it is schneller to walk to ze Ami's than to fly zat!- If you intend to sit on ze 6 of ze Ami's and try and get as many as possible before going straight down to ze closest brauhaus for zum refreshment- zis should be your choice. Ich believe zat zis mashine should be used as bomber and nufink else?

Ze Me262- now zis I have not tried enough, I haf to get used to speed- I use far zo many bullets,and maybe get one or two Ami's?

Nun Ze Me 410- what a maschine !- I give regular demonstration in Ami bomber destruction to my Rotte un Schwarm Kameraden (maybe we should have a "look and learn" command rather that 1. Engage enemy or 4. Attack my target?? .
Zis machine has enough speed to get out of trouble (even wiv ze vun smokin maschine??) enough power in ze guns zo take ze wings of ze Ami's with maybe vun short burst. My favorite tactic is to come into "deadman's corner" and aim just outzide ze outboard maschine- ze B24 just lose their wings with maybe three or four well aimed rounds? Ze 17's takes a bit more, but zis aiming spot still works verry vell. Zen it is sharp break away and down (usually to ze right, and back up to ze corner again). The Ami escorts ure usually occupied wif ze rest of ze schwarm - Ah now I zee ze function of ze schwarm !!!!

Ze two maschine also helps, (vun ussually smokes ja!) If zis was ze 109/190, it vould be time to consider if you are going to try to get ze maschine back to Schultzie, or just dump it on Frau Mayer's washing. With ze Me 410 ze party is not yet over, ja? Ze reargunner also helps- fortunately he is forced to stay in ze maschine wif du, otervise he vould probably also be running around elsewhere instead of doing his zjob, nein? Zis gunner scares ze Ami jagers plenty if zey try and sneak up on ze "sechs uhr oberhalt".

In meiner not zo humble opinion- I regularly fly (struggle) home wiv 4 or 5 Ami bombers to my kredit- ze 410 rules!

Had quite an experience wif ze b26 ze other day- but I vill leave zat story for another day- ve haf just been called for ze briefing- ze verruckte Ami's are coming over to add to my score again!

Gute jagd- Vielen gluck!

E.R.


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Blade
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posted 09-28-1999 01:10 PM     Profile for Blade   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
The 410 rules when it comes to killing US bombers. I upgunned my 410 with ECA and control panel to 30mm's and 20mm's. Bomber killer to the max. The tailgunner just fires a few rounds and the escort's bugger off. I've got over 80+ bombers and 3 escorts in the current 410 campn in 44. Get at least 4-5 bombers per mission before running out of ammo. 24 are easy kills (majority of my kills) and the 17 a much harder kill. Whats cool is that my tailgunner has account for 2 escorts (51's) and I nailed a 47 too.

Like I posted on the old forum, the 410 is the best bomber killer in EAW.

Blade


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Edwin Rommel
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posted 09-29-1999 01:55 AM     Profile for Edwin Rommel   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Herr Blade

Amen to zat!- I use ze unmodified Me 410, and still with gut rezults.

Anyone know where I can read some more about these AC (Me 410's), prefferably websites, since books are often not available/afforable in my part of the world.

E.R.


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Kurt Plummer
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posted 09-29-1999 04:12 AM     Profile for Kurt Plummer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Hey Herr Feldmarshall,

The 109G6 is also a deadly killer, not so many per mission (in fact there is debate as to whether any airframes actually made it out of the /factory/...;`) but the 3 Mk.108's seem to chug along without much degradation to the performance of the machine and it actually will /hold/ a climb of 390-400mph and 500fpm or so which makes you nearly immune to the escorts while coming up under the targets.

The wings always seem to be my best aimpoints too. On the 17, the key is to come in at a little sharper initial angle, turn in late, (say 2,800 instead of 3,500ft) and aim for the OUTER wingpanels. You still get the same shear effect as pointing at the wingroots of the 24 but the target area is a tad smaller.
Though I use it all the time, this latter technique scares me because there's upwards of 8K worth of 'Fraulein we're Sorry to Inform You...' (your son, he dies because ee vas schtoopid in close proximity.

Though I've yet to see a formation get shattered as you read in some combat reports when a flak round came up into the bombbay proper.

Another option is to come up from the /inside/ corner and aim at the Fortress outerpanels on your way -out- of the formation.

I've done this with 190's and 262's (speed ships with plenty of rounds in-air simultaneously) but it takes a lot of balls to get 'washed' by the other units tail gunners and risk a collion when that wing tip does come off and the bomber starts do Break Dance moves in your windscreen. Also good deflection fire skills, earlier on.

AFAIK, there's only one dedicated website on the 410 out there and it was largely incomplete when I was last checking for a model I was building. You can also try the following:


KP


LINKS-
Hornisse Home http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/6443/h_main.html


Luftwaffe Ring List http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?ring=luftwaffering;list

Totavia Pics http://warbird.totavia.com/me410.html

Museum Of War Page http://www.wh2.tu-dresden.de/~sledge/aircrafts/me410.html
(In German but it 'looks good'

Most Excellent Looking Model Kit http://www.hyperscale.com/me410cw_1.htm


P.S. A good, /cheap/ book is the Squadron 'Me-410 In Action' title. About 8 dollars U.S. for 55-70 pages.


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Edwin Rommel
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posted 09-29-1999 05:12 AM     Profile for Edwin Rommel   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Herr Kurt

Vielen dank !!- I have quite a bit of "work" to get through now!!!!

E.R.


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Tobiwan
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posted 09-29-1999 06:45 AM     Profile for Tobiwan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Well I can well understand why the excourts bugger off.

I can clearly remeber chasing one around in my P-38H. I had a wild low level dogfight with a Me410. He was all over the place to evade me and I was all over the place to not get his by those 13mm rear guns thta my shooting was awful. The front of my P-38 looked like swiss cheese, but my last two cannons shells hit him in the starboard engine (and he'd already lost his portside engine) so he spun rather nicely and pancaked into the water.

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Matthew "Raptor" Renard


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posted 09-29-1999 06:59 AM     Profile for CFrancisco   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
ZE best ami bomber zerstorer ist ein lone stuka flieger loaded mit all ze bombs he can take und lots of morphine... LOL .. aim for ze middle of ze formation ze best ist ze guy up top und scream und yell un zen JUMP FOR IT!!! hopefully you make it if not zer ist always STUKAHALLA vhere all ze stuka fliegers go vhere ze schnapps ist plenty und ze swedish maids wear chainmail und zing party zongs all night long!! YYYOOO HHHOOOOO!!!!
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Edwin Rommel
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posted 09-29-1999 07:03 AM     Profile for Edwin Rommel   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Herr Tobiwan

Ze "normal state" for ze Me 410 is using one lowdenroarenkoffunsschpitter fur das groundcrewheadenchopper (wiv apologies to Herr vo Gunn)- Du my junges freund has gone and damaged a perfectly funktional (lrk&s fur das gchc)- while you had one that was allready smokink to aim at-!

Ach ze brashness of junkheit!!!

(great game aint it!!)
E.R.


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Kurt Plummer
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posted 09-30-1999 06:32 PM     Profile for Kurt Plummer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Ooopsenzy.

That should read 'K6' not 'G6'.

Wow, so that's what a short post looks like!


KP


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posted 10-01-1999 09:16 AM     Profile for Twitch   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
The Ju88 G7 surpasses all. Maybe the 6- 20mm aren't the most but R.P.G. is ample and most importantly the machine can take punishment. It is a stable gun platform as well. Try substituting it and see. Don't be subversive to the Reich- get kills!

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posted 10-01-1999 09:33 AM     Profile for Schatten   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
(silently yet proudly waves his Ju-88 banner)

What he said.

Schattenjaeger


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Edwin Rommel
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posted 10-04-1999 01:04 AM     Profile for Edwin Rommel   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Herr Schatten und Herr Twitch
I haf just returned from a short sight seeing trip of Stalingrad flying supplies in for ze 6th Army, courtesy of HERR REICHSMARSHALL GOERING, (for ze little mistake of calling him General in stead of HERR REICHSMASHALL)- but zat is bezides ze point- Vat I vanted to zay was zis- I haf tried your verruckte maschine, und I do not for a moment understand vat du are trying to zay- Ze problem is zat your "fantastisch" Ju88 G7 is a vedamt kuh in ze air! Du say zat zis "lady" can take punshment (same as Brunhilde- nein ) ze problem is zat vonce ze airframe contains more lead und copper bullets zan what the lowdenroarenkoffunsschpitters fur das groundcrewheadenchopper can carry through ze air (und zis happens very schnell, if you cannot evade ze escorts!), you go down long before du reach ze Ami bombers, nein.- Maybe du should ask permission from your Geschwader Fuhrers to come for a visit to Schipol in Holland (if zey can spare ze machinegun und cannon fodder!), und ve will show you what a real bomber zerstorer should look like- und ve can have some schnapps und discuss tactisch manouvers nein?

E.R.


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