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Casey's job
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posted 01-24-2000 12:44 PM     Profile for Casey's job   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
To anyone with time in both EAW and Jane's WW2 Fighters:

What's your opinion on the AI of both sims, in general?

I have far more time on EAW, online and offline. Recently, I started flying WW2F and it seems I get shot down much more often! In EAW, I can fly many missions without a loss, sometimes finish a career without "cheating." But in WW2F, I have been getting shot up at least once per "session," i.e. if I fly two or three single missions I get shot down at least once.

I prefer EAW overall, but I always tell those who haven't tried Jane's, the graphics alone have to be seen to be believed!

Good hunting.


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posted 01-24-2000 12:54 PM     Profile for JG26Jabo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You are correct, the AI in Jane`s is far more aggressive than EAW and will blast your *** if your not careful. The wingman control in EAW is second to none which contributes to a longer life. Basically, you have more AI wingman support in EAW, where in Janes you are kinda left out by yourself.
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posted 01-24-2000 05:01 PM     Profile for Beirut     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
In A2A, I get killed more often in WWIIF than in any other game. For the most part, I simply don't fly A2A missions in this game, I just don't enjoy it. But the A2G is fantastic. The best A2A for me is CFS.

Most of the time I fly homemade wild weasel missions in a P-38 against those little b*stard Wirbelwind flak tanks. Throw in some rockets, set it up for sunset, and the graphics are as pretty as anything out there.


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posted 01-24-2000 06:34 PM     Profile for SPOT   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The trick to not getting killed in WWII Fighters is to zoom and boom. Get in and then get out - at least when you fly the German A/C. When I first got the game I jumped into the fight. But like any good sim that you stick with you pick your target carefully. Pick your shots and RUN to fight another day.
In WWIIF If I got one kill and got home in one piece I felt just as good as in EAW when I got a medal.

I own both EAW and WWIIF and enjoy them both.

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posted 01-24-2000 07:18 PM     Profile for Tazkiller   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I just reciently bought E.A.W. I've had WWII for a few months. I've been trying to download some improvements. Anyone got some suggestions. Please forgive me IMHO E.A.W. just looks like it came out of an ugly comic book. I know this is supposed to be a fantastic sim but I'm just having a hard time getting into it.
Also if someone could direct me. There are many custom missions that are aviale to download for WWII what directory or folder do you intsall them to.

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posted 01-24-2000 10:41 PM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
WWIIF definitely has meaner AI than EAW. Beirut, you are absolutely correct about those nasty Wirbelwinds - they are the most lethal AAA vehicles in any sim, ever - as frightening to the would-be mud mover as the "never-lose-lock" SAMs in Flanker2! Tazkiller - speaking from experience, I agree - EAW is ugly compared to WWIIF, or even CFS, but give it some time, and you will be dazzled by the scale of the furballs and immersive comms. I assume your using the patched version - the additional resolution is really necessary, especially if your graphic standards have been established by WWIIF, a tough act to follow in that department.
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posted 01-24-2000 11:08 PM     Profile for Casey   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks for the interesting responses- glad to see it's not just me!

jg26:
Absolutely! In WW2F, it feels like you're online, in a free-for-all at the Zone! I rarely get any help from my buddies but there always seem to be at least two bandits on my tail at all times.

Another observation: I think the missions take place much too low. Even if it's not an air-to-ground mission, it seems we are bounced between 3,000 and 5,000 feet- isn't that "already blew it" altitude in an e-fighting Mustang?

But, I'm addicted. While I know I could fire up EAW now and knock down a bunch of bad guys, I can't stop flying WW2F until I can survive a few pre-scripted single missions.

Glad I finally got this thing running (after swap from Voodoo3 to TNT2 and turning down soundcard accel). While it can't replace EAW for me, it's a real kick in the pants.

Thanks and good hunting.




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posted 01-24-2000 11:19 PM     Profile for Stork   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I like air to air combat in WW II Fighters, the AI enemy are very tough to beat but you'll become a better sim combat pilot for it.
I play both WW II Fighters and EAW and I find things to like in both of them and can find fault with both of them. What one sim lacks the other sim seems to address,I think that these two sims combined would have made one incredible air combat simulation.
As far as EAW "looking like it came out of an ugly comic book" it does suffer when compared out of the box to the graphics of WW II Fighters. My advice is to check out the EAW forum under Game Discussions - Title Specific in the forums page. There are many add-ons to this game such as new terrain(s), new aircraft skins, new engine and weapons sounds that vastly improve the enjoyment of this sim.

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posted 01-24-2000 11:46 PM     Profile for Casey   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Stork:

You're right; the EAW add-ons make a big difference.

I use the CFS terrain, 800x600 resolution and a few choice aircraft "skins." It helps a lot but it still has a "oil painting" look compared to the sharp, bright visuals of WW2F.

I mean, the first time I got shot down and switched to an external view, I was amazed- the reflections on the bare metal surfaces, the bullet holes, bits of framework punching through... what a damage model! Likewise, the first time I took a shot at a 190's belly and watched his wing rip off! It's a hell of a lot more accurate than the old "flash-smoke-crash" of many other sims. It's so rewarding, after a hard-fought duel.

But, as you say, what one lacks the other provides. The graphics of EAW are almost extraordinary considering the wide range of systems on which it will run perfectly.

All sims are different; I say the more the better!


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posted 01-24-2000 11:59 PM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Graphically, EAW is the opposite of WWIIF in many ways. The individual parts are so-so, but the big picture is incredible. In WWIIF, the details are amazing, but sometimes the combined effect can be uninvolving. The same, arguably, could be said of the gameplay (FM issues aside). As others have pointed out, certainly the world is a better place for having had both of them in it.
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posted 01-25-2000 10:01 AM     Profile for JT     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jane's has the best cockpits of any sim, but it's sort of wasted since the terrain graphics are so incredibly bad... one repeating texture with a few snow covered areas is not appropriate for a flight sim. EAW doesn't have the nice cockpits, but it's strangely more convincing. I think this is because the graphics are more consistent.
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posted 01-25-2000 10:12 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I wouldn't call it "incredibly bad" - the snowy areas at certain times of day from certain altitudes could be really spectacular, but generally, you make a good point. Of all types of sims, one could make the case that prop sims need the best terrain, since proportionally more of the fighting is done at relatively low altitudes. A prop sim with terrain like F2 or F4 would be wonderful, I think. Perhaps B-17II will excel in this area - terrain does not look too good in screenshots, but it was a very unfinished part of the game at the times those screenshots were released. By the way - I completely agree about the cockpits, best I've ever seen (MA is almost, but not quite as good in this area) and not as much of a framerate killer as you might expect, although they didn't help!
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posted 01-29-2000 05:55 AM     Profile for 15./JG51   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jane's WW2F is for me a true arcade. I fly with the maximun realism and the A/C just fly alone (no stall, no spin, they're auto-recovery). The IA isn't agressive, it's in fact stupid. I was flying in my Bf109 with 2 P-47 on my tail, I tried to get'em off with a spiral climb, but it was almost impossible because they climb as well as my 109 wiht MW-50 engaged. Suddenly, my wingman dive over them, and quickly shot down my nearest enemy (an attack like Hartmann ones), but he stands in front of the other P-47. And here is the bad IA of WW2F: the P-47 continues fixated on me (the human player), and forgets my wingman, who make a easy maneuver to get into his six and bring down the las odd. This remember me the behaviour of the bots in QIII or UT.
And do not try to dogfight against the computer, its A/C could out-turn, out-acelerate and out-climb every plane you're fliying. For me, much more fun and reality in EAW.

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posted 01-29-2000 09:26 AM     Profile for Casey   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You may be right.

I haven't done any scientific tests but I have had the feeling that the enemy aircraft in WW2F can out turn anything.

At first, I assumed it was my fault; I mean, if the AI was VERY good, it's possible one might feel like he's online, facing superior opponents. Remember the first time you flew online? Remember the IMPRESSION you had that your enemy was out turning you, when in reality, he was out-thinking you?

But maybe JG51 is right; it's not the great AI but rather "super planes" at work here.

I'm pretty sure I've seen everything from 190s to P-47s simply yank back on the stick and reverse direction in two seconds.

In any case, one more reason WW2F could never take the place of EAW. I see WW2F as a fictional training scenerio, to use to warm up for EAW. If nothing else, the miracle aircraft get you nnice and paranoid, so that you check six a lot once you get back to other sims.

Great stuff, isn't it?

Good hunting.



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It's been a while since I've had WWIIF installed, so you may be right about "superplanes". Unfortunately, many sims suffer from this to some degree - in EAW, for example, it seems like my [email protected]?&*! P-51 should be able to follow a Bf-110 through a loop, but those AI Bf-110s seem to sometimes have high-alpha performance that would make a Su-37 pilot jealous! Although "enhanced" performance is sometimes observed in MA, generally both the AI and AI aircraft FM seem superior (including the simulation of both good and bad pilots), in many ways, to any other sim I've had.
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Überplanes? I don't belive it. They ( AI ) use vertical maneuvers a lot. WWF2 looks like Warbirds or Aces High main arena and so, it's a good pratice for on-line sims ( whit a very better 109g6 ) . Try, for instance, a 1 x 1 combat, 109 x Spit9, if you fly the 109 and use vertical maneuvers, you'll notice AI is not so good. Talking about P-47, I belive the guys who made WWF2 were Robert Johnson fan's , so take care flying against the Jug.
IMHO, WWF2 = tatical sim ( ACM is more important than leadership ); EAW = strategic sim ( leadership is more important than ACM ), both whit competitive Germany planes. Of curse, both are good!

Totengräber


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posted 01-30-2000 05:54 AM     Profile for 15./JG51   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi to all,

I've installed WW2F for 3 times, giving it chance after chance to show me that it's a good sim and it's my fault that I can't dominate the game.But I can't compete against AI maneuvers.
It's true that you have some chances to catch the enemy in a 109 with vertical maneuvers (last play in a 1vs1 I shot down a P-51 wiht a spiral climb), but 4 times of 5 they catch in every maneuver. I've seen two basic maneuvers to the CPU:
a) if they have great speed advantage, they run straight and after a distance of 2km or so, they make an Immelman for a head on pass against you.You can catch'em in the top of the maneuver, but if the distance it´s too far, run for your live
b) if they're slow (and you aren't much faster) they start to make turns aroun you on impossible angles, wihtout loss of speed or altitude. It's a bad idea to stay with them in the turns, you'll never catch them.
When I see guncam films of WW2, they made fair maneuvers to avoid overload their planes or blackout themselves, when fighting at high speeds. But in WW2F, the enemy AI forget this, and its unique objetive is bring you down.For example, I remember a combat in wich a lone enemy 109 was fighting against 7 P-38. A good AI (you can read human AI) only thinks in run away alive from there, but the 109 continued fighting wiht vertical turns until it was shot down.
For me,WW2F is a good game only in online combats, where all players have the same handicaps.


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posted 01-30-2000 10:42 AM     Profile for Casey   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Glad I'm not alone.

Last night, I tried again. I watched everything, from 109s to 262s, simply yank around on a dime and reverse direction in 2 seconds! It seems the turn radius (as well as turn rate) is better than the human pilot's at any speed. Even in the vertical, I've seen 262s and 190s fly circles around me.

It's hard for me to walk away from it, because it's so damn good-looking but it can drive you nuts.

Good hunting.


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Guys!
Great discussions I see here... Earlier I did some questions for simmers, like what is better in WWIIF or EAW. The answers were a lot... Now I see the main idea here.
Be sure we study this discussion!
In our sim IL-2 Sturmovik we TRY to do FM's and AI's very correct. Damage modeling also... Cockpit also... Any resolution also... Mission builder for Single or Multiplay also.... German fighters will be also flyable....

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Maddox, I'd like to suggest you to open a forum here in combatsim.com about your sim. If you hear your probable costumers, you'll have a winner in your hands. Do it! Don't be shy or hidden, talk openly about your sim, and listen us!
Talking about AI in WWF2, well, if you play whit "real size" on, you'll notice AI doesn't cheat, if you able "double size", it looks like they are cheating . Of curse, only the plane has double size, not its physics.

Yours,
Totengräbe

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I love WW2 Fighters. I had EAW as well it was alright but for some reason I just didn't get the adrenalire rush I get playing WW2F. I mean the other night I made a mission where 3 P-51 flights escort 9 B-17s being attacked by 4 schwarms of Bf-109s and 2 schwarms of WF-190s, man what a rush !!!! I love the AI in WWF2, it really gives me good fight, the adrenaline rush is the best I have ever had. I mean I get one 109 after a hard fight then a WF190 nails my *** from the back. It is so revarding after a long fight to get on enemy's six and just rip him to pieces, see how the wing flies off, then I still shoot and propeller flies off the wreck, the way the planes move its like watching real WW2 dog-fights movies, really great. I love the sounds the bullets ripping that metal...its just great for me. Yes EAW has a bit better flight model but so what, I don't fly on hardest settings anyway for the flight model in WW2. Don't get me wrong I like realism I have Falcon 4 for that, for some serious adrenaline rush I just fire WW2F. The graphics are amazing! Man those 3D clouds still can't use them on my P3 500 with TNT2 Ulta card...I like flying at 1024x68 with 32-color on full detail, real size planes...There is nothing like me and my shwarm of 109s taking off at sunset and sky is clear, the graphics are simply the best I have ever seen. yes the ground isn't really that great, but hey its winter and there was a lot of snow during Bulge so I don't really care. AG missins are excellent. Just made a small mission, put some divions against each other and added some enemy planes and lets go hunting. Its amazing to watch ground forces killing each other and me mixing it with everything. Those damn M16 can really ruin your day ! There are only 2 flight sims on my HD, WW2F and Falcon 4

Peter

PS: Check your six !


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Hi Peter,

Fully agree with you. After a Janes WWII Fighter session, I am really sweating. Once I had a dogfight with an AI in my Fw190. Yes, it was the P-47. It took about 15 minutes to get him down. I never had such a fight against an AI pilot in any sim. It was just too great. OK, sometimes the AI seems to have superior planes - but it's not extremly and above all it's making the game just longer playable because it's more chanllenging. And for me a big plus in WWII Fighters is the feeling of G-force what EAW fully lacks. And there is no other sim offering you such a detailed and really good looking damage model. And the planes just look great. OK, the terrain could be better -much better. And their so called campaigns are nothing else than one single mission after the other.

You will never be able to fly in really big furballs with 50 bombers and 50 fighters in WWII Fighters - here EAW is no. 1 but again, a dogfight in WWII Fighters is just much more demanding me.

Today a posted a message concerning the AIs in both sims.

The EAW AI is really great in defending. They turn and let you overshoot like fools. But these "guys" seem to be paid from the other side! They can be right behind you - they just need to press the trigger - but no - they don't even think of hurting you. I never have been killed by enemy fighters when they were not outnumbering me by more than 2 times. In WWII Fighters, I have start to pray when two enemies are comming (OK, I am still a rookie pilot, but that's exactly what I want from a game).

I think flying against AI using the defending maneuvers of the EAW one together with the attack agressivity/attack skills of the WWII Fighter AI would be like flying online - fu..... hard!

Michael the "WildeSau"


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Forgot to say that I own and love both - EAW and Janes WWII Fighters I mean. Cannot say which one I prefer - both have their advantages and disadvantage. For having a really hard dogfight, I choose Janes. When I like to fly a historic mission with 50+ planes with a nice briefing, I go to EAW.

Would be hard to be without one of them. There are no better WWII offline flight sims available.

Michael the "WildeSau"


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I must say though there isn't a good sim out since there as was Battle of Britain or The Secret Weapon of the Luftwaffe. I mean I want to make the strategic decisions, I want to decide what which factory produce, reaserch of new weapons , manage my pilots and then let me fly the missions. I would love to see WW2F in Battle of Britain campaign. Imagine flying Ju-87 and going against radar sites, or ships...
I don't need for Battle of Britain too sophisticated strategic layer, the old LucasFlim BOB design would be good enough. I plot the raids I choose the escorts etc...somebody do it please !

I will never forget those days flying for Luftwaffe managing all those pilots, protecting those factories, you know every mission made sense to me and I could always see the bigger picture. Or fly on the Allied side, either as a fighter/bomber pilot. It was a lot of fun to fly the B-17
when I saw all those German fighters coming it was a big adrenaline rush too. I miss those days.

I wish I could take the box of EAW and WW2F and put them under a tank and smash them together to have one good sim with all the features but I would still have to add that strategic layer.

Peter


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posted 01-31-2000 02:51 PM     Profile for Casey   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Peter and WildeSau:

You got me there guys.

Whether it's truly because of great AI or a little bit of cheating, WW2Fighters in one player does get the heart pumping like being online. It's funny; my woman thinks I'm fighting online when I fly WW2Fighters, because she hears me grunting, cursing and shouting "yeehaa!" whenever I get a kill! I guess I'm quiet when flying EAW.

I uninstalled it last night. The last few posts have me thinking about putting it back.

Side note: What are you guys running it on?


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P3 500Mhz
256MB ram
Diamond TNT 2 Ultra
Win98
SB Live!

I run it with 1024x768 16 bit , everything
maxed out except the damn 3D clouds, sometimes I switch to 32 bit ... it's more beautifull.

Peter


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WW2F is the only sim that makes me really work hard to get a kill and when I get it it's the most rewarding moment in any flight sim I ever played. I don't fly on highest flight model settings because the AI planes fly too good to be true, so I set it to middle and go hunting, you know what that's though too ! EAW is great too but it's just not much rewarding for me when I get a kill and soon it gets just boring, what I used to do was just watch the show in the air, that was more interesting for me.

Peter


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Hi Peter,

imagine, WW2F runs even on my lame duck:
K6/2 333 with Voodoo1 4MB and 64 MB Ram, but right, it's still a challenge to fight with the highest FM level. I've made a custom misson with 4 FW 190 (+later additional support by 4 others) fighting against 1 wave of every allied fighter: The 4 P38 are downed fast, the 4 P47 need a bit more time, for the 4 P51, the support appears, and with the 4 Spits, it's always getting difficult. Imagine my pride, when I first got through it! Outnumberd 2:1, FM on max realism. You feel like a hero! And isn't it the thing, why we are all doing it ? And if it's still to easy, try it with 2*3 FWs or with Me 109s . I didn't came through yet, but the day will come

CuiH

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Peter F: You are sooooo right about BOB and SWOTL. No better campaign set-up has ever be done. SWOTL was perfection for it's day...not to mention all the plane types you could fly....including a B17 AND man the guns. SWOTL with updated graphics and FM improvements (plus add the British Aircraft) could be the masterpiece of all WWII sims...Then they could do a Pacific version.
Aaaaah Dreams, Dreams, Dreams....But now it's all Stars Wars JUNK!

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I LOVE Jane's WW2 Fighters!! I fly the P51 Mustang almost exclusively with the FM set to medium. Wow! Those darned FW 190s are dead shots and without question provide the absolute best dogfights. I find it best to try and nail them when they are trying to loop back onto you, usually when they are near the top of their turn, as they are almost just hanging there. But if they've managed to get into a head-on pass at you, well, they don't seem to miss dumping a ton of lead on you! So I set myself up in invincible mode and keep on going, hah, hah!

The graphics are incredible. EAW is light years behind and just makes me long for WW2 Fighters instead! One thing I wish WW2 Fighters would include in a patch is having your enemy explode on occasion. I've seen WW2 footage where that happened but all we get is a lost wing or trailing fireball, etc. Though the damage modeling is excellent, and explosion now and then would be very nice indeed.

I'm currently running WW2 Fighters under Windows 2000. But I'm having a few tiny problems and I hope some of you guys can help.

Last night when I double clicked the "Fly Now" icon the program didn't start properly. It
seems to load, i.e., the program shows up on the task bar but after the full screen begins to
initialise, it just drops back down to being on the task bar!

So I opened the Task Manager (Ctl-Alt-Del) and under the Applications tab "Status" column it says the program is running. Yet in order to get it on the screen again I have to highlight its Task and click on the "Switch To" button. Then it runs OK.

Being brilliant, I then ran DX Diagnosis and under the Display tab, Test Direct3D button it gave me the following error:

D3D Test Result: Failure at step 34 (BeginScene): HRESULT = 0x887601c2 (unknown error)

Can any of you gurus give me any idea of what is going wrong?

I have reinstalled my video driver for the Matrox G400 Dual Head, and I have even reinstalled WW2 Fighters but I keep having exactly the same problems.

My system is an ECS P6BX-A+ motherboard, Celeron 366 overclocked to 550 MHz, Windows 2000 Professional, 128 megs RAM, Matrox G400 DualHead, IBM 20 gig HD.

I'm suspicious it might be a video driver problem but it ran perfectly for several days (other than a few menus not showing uup properly) so I just don't know.

Todd


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posted 02-01-2000 09:52 PM     Profile for Boxcar   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Any off you TNT2 guys seen EAW at 1600*1200 res? You might rethink your WW2 opinions. I mean I agree I have both and WW2 looks stunning. But when I got EAW running at 1600*1200 with good FPS I was blown away!

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Judge
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posted 02-01-2000 10:46 PM     Profile for Judge     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Have you tried WW2F at 1600x1200x32 yet Boxcar? I'm sure EAW looks great at that res, but WW2F is ... well ... stunning
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Peter Fisla
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Sitting Bull, I tried running WW2F in Win2000 Pro 2195 final build. I was using NVidia 3.69 driver. It installed correctly, my only problem is that when I go to configure screen I don't see the text descriptions like:, game options, sounds, realism etc...so I don't know where to click on the screen, I wonder what's the problem here...Are you having the same problems as me ? So for now I installed WW2F for Win98,
I dual boot.

I have picked up WW2F 1.08 cracked executable from GameCopy World website so at least I don't need to have CD in my drive.

You are dead on about how to engage the enemy fighters. My plane is Bf109 G6, I love the messerschmitt. There is nothing like the sound of 30mmm cannon supported by 20mm under-wing cannons. I also fly with unlimited ammo, but I don't abuse it that much. There is nothing like when your enemy pulls down then goes up trying to make a loop and you just keep firing at him everything you got, then it's just amazing to see how he looses a wing, propeller etc...I swear its like watching those WW2 camera shots...this is what's all about the real life behaviour of the planes how their react to all those situations.

EAW is great but you can't compare the plane models quality to WW2F. That's another reason why I like WWF2, there is nothing like watching my 109 fly in the sunset, with 16 / 32 bit colors settings you see that metal reflection on the wings, it's spectacular. Or when you go AG hunting and you release the bombs, the explosion reflections can be seen on my bottom part of the plane, I love it !

I wish Janes made an update to this great sim !

The great thing about it is that I'm still not able to have all the max graphical details. As my computer is getting better WW2F will get better too ! I haven't even seen WW2F with resolution higher than 1024x768 on 32 bit. I want one day to fly my 109 in 1600x1200 32 bit , all details on, with cloud layer on and 3D clounds !!! Those damn 3D clouds cost too much CPU power right now but they are spectacular !

Peter


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posted 02-02-2000 03:08 PM     Profile for Casey   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Boxcar:


I tried EAW at 1024x and it looked great- but everything was too small for me old peepers! I was squinting to see things, even with my big 19-inch screen.

Is there any way around that?

The exterior views were fantastic- I hated to turn it back down to 800x600 but I find it's much more playable there.

Thanks.

Good hunting.


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Boxcar
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posted 02-02-2000 09:49 PM     Profile for Boxcar   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
OK, Judge I`ll do do this and let you know.

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posted 02-03-2000 01:35 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Peter Fisla:
Sitting Bull, I tried running WW2F in Win2000 Pro 2195 final build. I was using NVidia 3.69 driver. It installed correctly, my only problem is that when I go to configure screen I don't see the text descriptions like:, game options, sounds, realism etc...so I don't know where to click on the screen, I wonder what's the problem here...Are you having the same problems as me ? So for now I installed WW2F for Win98,
I dual boot.

I have picked up WW2F 1.08 cracked executable from GameCopy World website so at least I don't need to have CD in my drive.

You are dead on about how to engage the enemy fighters. My plane is Bf109 G6, I love the messerschmitt. There is nothing like the sound of 30mmm cannon supported by 20mm under-wing cannons. I also fly with unlimited ammo, but I don't abuse it that much. There is nothing like when your enemy pulls down then goes up trying to make a loop and you just keep firing at him everything you got, then it's just amazing to see how he looses a wing, propeller etc...I swear its like watching those WW2 camera shots...this is what's all about the real life behaviour of the planes how their react to all those situations.

EAW is great but you can't compare the plane models quality to WW2F. That's another reason why I like WWF2, there is nothing like watching my 109 fly in the sunset, with 16 / 32 bit colors settings you see that metal reflection on the wings, it's spectacular. Or when you go AG hunting and you release the bombs, the explosion reflections can be seen on my bottom part of the plane, I love it !

I wish Janes made an update to this great sim !

The great thing about it is that I'm still not able to have all the max graphical details. As my computer is getting better WW2F will get better too ! I haven't even seen WW2F with resolution higher than 1024x768 on 32 bit. I want one day to fly my 109 in 1600x1200 32 bit , all details on, with cloud layer on and 3D clounds !!! Those damn 3D clouds cost too much CPU power right now but they are spectacular !

Peter


Hi Peter,

Yes, I am having exactly the same problems with the configuration screens. Nothing is readable until I just guess at what I'm getting into and then the secondary control screens show up fine. This is what made me think it might be a driver problem with my Matrox G400, but since you are having the same problem with your nVidia card I suppose it is a Windows 2000 thing. I'm also running version 2195. I find that occasionally my view will switch without warning from the in-cockpit view to Fly By View, or that the game will toggle into showing the aircraft descriptions all by itself. These are very minor things, however, and only require a quick keystroke to correct.

Overall, I really love Windows 2000 and as long as I can get by with a few guesses at getting WW2 Fighters set up properly, I'm going to stay with it. I haven't had one single crash with it yet! WOW! I just can't say the same thing about Win98.

I've had it running at 1280x1024 in 16 bit colour and it is really incredible but a bit too slow. You can see so much more of what is happening around you. I can only imagine how wonderful it will be when I can get good frame rates at 1600x1200!

For now I find 1024x768 is optimum and looks excellent anyway!

What other quirks might you have seen with it in Windows 2000?


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posted 02-03-2000 10:32 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sitting Bull,

I really gave up on using Win2000 pro for games as for now, Win2000 Pro is my primary
OS and that's where I do my software
development, but I use Win98 for games.

Some games don't work like :
Jagged Alliance 2
The Operational Art of War
The Ardennes Offensive
Falcon 4

Games that work in Win2000 Pro for me:
101st Airborne
East Front II/ West Front
Close Combat 1, 2 ,3 ,4
Panzer Elite (software rendering)

I don't really have any game installed though in Win2000.

Maybe when Win2000 Pro will be out and NVidia comes up with final version of
drivers things could change. I think it's
sad that Win2000 doesn't run a lot of games
because it is really great system, and doesn't crashes and therefore it's great for
games...oh well

Peter


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posted 02-03-2000 07:27 PM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Peter,

Here is site that list games and apps, etc., that run on Win2000: http://ntcompatible.cjb.net./

Hopefully this list will grow larger, but as you will see, it already is fairly hefty in the games department.


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posted 02-03-2000 11:00 PM     Profile for Boxcar   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Casey, I find the high res to be fine. Takes a little getting used to. You can also zoom in to view and then close. I find the scale of aircraft to be more accurate at this res. The big air battles are spectacular at this higher res also.

Boxcar


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posted 02-03-2000 11:07 PM     Profile for Boxcar   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Judge, OK,....OK, I admit I fired up WW2 Fighters at 1600*1200x32 and it is stunningly exquisite. Amazing really when you look at the age of the sim compared to current ones. I don`t even think B-17 2 will look this good! The aircraft anyway.

Boxcar


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