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posted 07-18-2000 06:22 AM     Profile for MACTEP   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
In terms of anti-battlefield and anti-theater missile capability, the Russian S-300V is unrivaled. Under severe competition on the arms market, it is very difficult for our traditional rival, the USA, trying to win contracts for the Patriot ADM system, to admit this fact. A vivid example of this is the disgraceful story of the ad booklet published by Raytheon company and distributed in Abu Dhabi at the IDEX '97 international exhibition of arms and military equipment. The booklet intentionally perverted the facts regarding the S-300V ADM system's combat characteristics and price. However, foreign experts were compelled to admit in the Jane's magazine published in England that the S-300V system possesses qualities which no other ADM system in the West will feature until the end of the current decade. The system is a triumph of the development of Soviet tactical anti-missile defense. Capable of intercepting tactical ballistic missiles, it is unrivaled, for there is no other ADM system in the world that can do it.

But more meaningful than the words is that the Americans have recognized the superiority of the S-300V ADM system by buying this system to study it.

Today, the USA is making a strenuous effort to develop the RAS-3 version of the Patriot ADM system and the THAAD system in order to eliminate the lag in the development of tactical anti-missile defense systems, but the USA will have to solve the problems that were solved by Russian specialists long ago.

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posted 07-18-2000 06:56 AM     Profile for Akulashaker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
This is not, by any chance, a pamphlet from the Almaz booth in any of the recent exhibitions, is it?

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posted 07-18-2000 09:55 AM     Profile for Tornado   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah, I was kinda wondering about the source too.

Never joke with the press. Irony does not translate into newsprint.

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posted 07-18-2000 06:28 PM     Profile for Toecutter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
From the numbers involved you`d stand to think so...

However: The system will have to prove it self under varified/neutral test-conditions...

Would you have any data of such past or planned comparisons?


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posted 07-20-2000 10:04 AM     Profile for MACTEP   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I think I got it from Military Parade...

And here abt patriot system perfomance
I saw it for first time, anyone know anything abt it?

Got any comments?

Boston Globe
June 24, 2000
Pg. 1

Critic Accuses Pentagon Of Trying To Silence Him

By David Abel, Globe Correspondent

As the debate heats up over whether the United States should build a
national missile defense, one of the program's leading critics, an MIT
professor, is charging the Pentagon with trying to silence him.

This week, three agents from the Pentagon's Defense Security Service
arrived unannounced at Theodore A. Postol's office at the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology. They said they came to show the
outspoken physicist classified documents, Postol said.

But Postol said he refused to look at the papers stamped ''SECRET.''

Recalling the Army's attempt to classify his critical analysis of
Raytheon Corp.'s Patriot missile after the 1991 Gulf War, he believes
the agents' visit was a ruse to prevent him from speaking out further
against the proposed antimissile system, which has already cost at
least $60 billion.

''I definitely saw this as potential for entrapment and a means of
intimidation,'' said Postol, so miffed he wrote a letter to John
Podesta, President Clinton's chief of staff, after the Wednesday
morning visit. ''By showing me classified information, they could say
I was talking about classified information. I saw it as a means of
abridging my First-Amendment rights.''

The surprise visit came more than a month after Postol, once one of
the military's top science advisers, made headlines after a letter he
wrote to the White House detailed potential pitfalls in the Clinton
administration's missile-defense plan and exposed what he says is
evidence of a cover-up.

In the letter, the 54-year-old professor explained why he and many
scientists believe current technology is incapable of defeating a
ballistic missile attack. The essence of his dissent is that the
system being developed can't differentiate a potential enemy's decoys
from its warheads. A few balloons, he said, might be sufficient to
fool current or future antimissiles.

But shortly after the letter arrived at the White House, officials
sent it to the Pentagon's Ballistic Missile Defense Office. Officials
there promptly classified Postol's findings, even though the letter
had already been posted on the Internet. The move echoed the Army's
attempt to muzzle him after the Gulf War, Postol said.

Although Postol says he never received a call before the Pentagon
agents popped into his office, and accuses the security service of
improperly handling secret documents, a Defense Security Service
spokeswoman said the agents repeatedly tried to contact the professor
and followed strict protocol in presenting the information.

Caryl Clubb, a Defense Security Service spokeswoman, said the agents
went to Postol's office to deliver a letter from the service's deputy
chief of staff for industrial security. The document detailed areas in
which Postol's White House letter contained classified information,
she said.

''The purpose of our visit was to prevent the further disclosure of
classified information,'' Clubb said. ''We in no way, shape or form
meant to get him to stop speaking out.''

But Postol and others describe the visit as a tactic they say the
government has used before to silence informed dissidents with
high-level security clearances. A scientific adviser to the chief of
naval operations in the 1980s, Postol has top-secret clearances at the
departments of energy and defense.

Yet all the information he assembled in his White House letter, he
contends, came from a lawsuit filed by a senior engineer against the
military contractor TRW Inc., which accused the contractor of sending
the Pentagon fraudulent performance reports about a key portion of the
antimissile system.

If Postol had consented to view the letter, he said, he would be
obliged not to talk about its contents, even if the information was
identical to what he previously published. The penalty for revealing
the contents of a classified document ranges from the loss of security
clearances to a prison sentence.

''This entire episode is Kafkaesque,'' said Democratic US
Representative Edward J. Markey of Malden, who said he plans to ask
the General Accounting Office to investigate. ''First, you have the
government classifying a report raising questions about potential
fraud ... then you have government agents showing up at the author's
office, trying to force him to read a classified document that he
doesn't want to read.''

Joseph Cirincione, director of the Nonproliferation Center at the
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said it ''appears they
were trying to force feed him classified material for reasons other
than his education on this matter.''

Jennifer Weeks, a former congressional military analyst who runs a
project on nuclear policy at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government,
said the episode might have been a clumsy attempt to explain the
missile program to Postol.

''I think it's plausible this was an effort to silence him,'' she
said. ''It also may have just been a dumb, badly managed way of
showing him classified information.''

Postol, though, has no doubts.

''This wasn't an accident,'' he said. ''They know what they were


So what do u say guys?

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posted 07-20-2000 10:16 AM     Profile for Tornado   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
That's freakin' scary...

on the other hand, as far as tactics to shut someone up, it is pretty devious (not to mention deniable)... better than I would've thought the gov't was capable of...

Never joke with the press. Irony does not translate into newsprint.

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