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PS: And for we deprived Texans -- exactly WHAT is a Dilly Bar?

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Bulldozer
Ice Cream Soldier
Wild Man
Little Sure Shot
Short Round
Long Round

Once saw a list of the entire roster of Easy Company dogfaces, but couldn't tell you where ...

How about the Unknown Soldier? Remember him?

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PS: And for we deprived Texans -- exactly WHAT is a Dilly Bar?

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Banger,

Check out the Dilly Bar/Buster Bar thread for a picture. And BTW, I got it from a DQ website in Texas, so you have no excuse...

Zhukov

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Thinking back on some of those DC comics, I remember Mr. Kubert seemed to favor the JU-87 Stuka as the favorite "Buzzard" that used to attack Easy and the Haunted Tank.
The Haunted Tank, that lil ol M2 Stuart, always seemed to be able to take out the German Tiger without getting smeared. Somehow that 37mm gun could nail that Tiger when a M4 Sherman had trouble.

Anyway, Did you guys know that Rock had a brother in the USMC? He was a med evac from Corrigador who had a steel plate in his head..only ran for a few issues.Forget what the title was.

I remember the last issue of Our Army At War, which featured Sgt Rock, was a story that plotted Rock through Nam where his son and the sons of Easy Company fought the final battle..and somehow it was Rock and company that did the honors instead of the kids.

Sam Kurtzman is another one of DC's combat artists. His series drew on his own expierences on board a destroyer in the South Pacific.
This was usually a back story for the main feature, but was a excellent series.

Marvel's series on the Nam was a excellent one with ambitious plot line-the entire 7 years of the US invovement and it's effect on the young men fighting it. It started with a young private reporting for duty and his 12 months there. During that time, new characters were introduced to replace those that were wia, kia, or rotated back to the World. The racial tensions, the attitude of some of the draftees toward "lifers" or screwed up officers, the endless patrols, boredom and terror of combat all was laid out.

It unfortuantely was cancelled after 3 years I believe. Semper Fi didn't last that long, about 20 issues I think.

Anyway those old comics do bring back some memories of a simpler time,when the valor of the WWII era hadn't been tarnished by the confusion and tragedy of Viet Nam.

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he first Haunted tank was a Stuart, then there was a second crew, which had a Sherman Tank. I still have a bunch of GI Combat's somewhere in the house

And I have every issue of the 'Nam, including the two graphic novels that had the first issues in them (Mike dies in the second novel

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Hey Cole:

he first Haunted tank was a Stuart, then there was a second crew, which had a Sherman Tank. I still have a bunch of GI Combat's somewhere in the house

And I have every issue of the 'Nam, including the two graphic novels that had the first issues in them (Mike dies in the second novel

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You're right the first Haunted Tank was a Stuart, the 2nd was a hodgepodge thrown together tank as the old Stuart was sixed, the last one was a Sherman.The Old Gen'ral din't like thet one bit, Ah'm heah to tell y'all. Also one of the original crew was KIAd when the Stuart was killed I beleive it was Gus.

He was repalced by a M/Sgt and one more.

I had all the Nam issues and Semper Fi, and gave them to my son. I don't know if they're still around, but I'd LOVE to get my hands on them again.

Hey, I'll swap you my Superman run from 1993. begining with the Funeral story Arc and to the Electric Superman for 'em.
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Fortunately, I was learning real history from Sgt. Rock before WW2 history was being re-written to satisfy modern sensibilities. Hey, we knew what we were fighting for back then.

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Well, I know for a fact from reading Sgt. Rock comics in the 50's that the German 109 is in fact an "ME 109", so it is upsetting to see all these modern day references to the Bf 109.

Fortunately, I was learning real history from Sgt. Rock before WW2 history was being re-written to satisfy modern sensibilities. Hey, we knew what we were fighting for back then.

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The designation for the Messerschmidt-109 (Me-109) was for aircraft produced by the Messerschmidt works. BF was for aircraft produced by BMW I believe.

This is based on the fact that the 109 along with the FW-190 series were the most produced aircraft of the German aircraft industry, the 109 being in production up to '44.
The US practiced the same thing. Examples of this are the FM-1 (GM produced version of the Grumman F-4F) TBM (GM produced version of the Grumman TBF Avenger torpedo bomber) and tthe FG-1 (Goodyear produced version of the Chance Vought F-4U Corsair) These aircraft were licensed out to other factoriews in order to get them to the front lines faster and to free up the parent company's ability to produce newer models/versions.

This is also the case for the IJNAF. The US used several codenames to cover different models of the AGM-2 Zero/Zeke fighter.

Sgt Rock's adventures were educational to a point. They were set in the ETO and some of the stuff was accurate to a point, and they touched on some actual events, but they also served to help bolster the "JOHN WAYNE" outlook by the Viet Nam era military in the begining.

Oh well just my 2 cents. At least you learned something of WW2.

BTW, Rock did make a foray into the Pacific during one several-issue story arc that I recall from the Seventies ...

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Nonetheless, the designation "Bf" comes from the fact that Willi Messerschmitt began working for a company called "Bayerische Flugzeugwerke" (which I think could be loosely translated as "Bavarian Aircraft Company"). His famous earlier designs, such as the 108, 109, and 110, all began when the company still had this name. As a result, they were designated Bf108, 109, and 110. Meanwhile, Messerschmitt was slowly acquiring stock in the company. When he finally acquired a majority of stock (September 1938), he took over the company and changed its name to Messerschmitt. Thus, his subsequent designs bore the "Me" designation (such as the Me210, Me410, Me262, etc.). As for the 109 and 110, there is still debate over the designation (well, sort of). Most historians maintain that all 109's and 110's should be called "Bf". On the other hand, Heinz Nowarra wrote in one of his books that the Bf designation should only apply to the models of an aircraft designed (or accepted by the Luftwaffe) before the company's name change, and that subsequent versions should receive the "Me" designation. (this would mean that you would have the Bf 109B, C, and D, and the Me 109E, F, G, and K; as well as the Bf 110A and B, and the Me110C, D, etc.) When Military History magazine wrote to the modern Luftwaffe concerning this designation question, the Lt. Col. who replied used Nowarra's book as his reference and of course repeated what was stated therein (as opposed to an exhaustive search of any surviving WWII Luftwaffe records!). Whether or not this means anything I can't say! At any rate, AFAIK, Military History, Aviation History, etc. use the nomenclature stated by Nowarra, whether correct or not. Which specific company manufactured the aircraft was irrelevant to the designation. The two letter prefix stemmed from the designer, not the manufacturer. (The US Navy designation system DID include the manufacturer, as noted in one of the earlier posts: such as the F4F-4 Wildcat being built by Grumman {the fourth Navy fighter ['F4'] built by Grumman [manufacturer code 'F']} and the FM-1 Wildcat by General Motors through its Eastern Aircraft subsidiary {the first Navy fighter ['F'] built by GM [code 'M']} but both being "Wildcats")

As far as Allied pilots go, both British and American World War II pilots referred to any Messerschmitt aircraft as an "Me" (or as one British pilot noted, sometimes by names that were far more rude!)

I've often wondered myself what the German pilots called the aircraft, but so far I've never run across any references that state this. Of course, you'd almost have to ask a pilot himself---even if you came across an example of Messerschmitt nomenclature mentioned in passing in a book, there's no way of telling if the quote had been modified---something I think would be especially true of translations. And that assumes that the pilot himself knew the precise designation. Some Allied pilots don't always punctuate things in precisely the manner that an aviation historian might (P-51D, P51D, P51-D, etc.).

IIRC, the version 2 Haunted Tank routinely shot down Stukas and Me 109s with its main gun. Wasn't it a Sherman chassis with a Hellcat turret and gun?

The Nam comic series was very good. I always associate the comics with the TV series Tour of Duty. While both were generally toned down for public consumption, I think they both honored the veterans well. I never saw that Semper Fi series, what are the reviews on it?

Semper Fi was a series that Marvel brought out a few months as Nam in which it told the story of the Corps through several generations of a Marine Corps family.

It spanned the creation of the Corps at Tun Tavern in Philadelphia and on up to Beirut.

Some of the stories reflected some of the prevelnt issues of the 80's PTS,the effects of war on those who fought it, the pride of being one of the few to earn the title of Marine ( of which I am one.) I rmember one in which a Marine found his daughter in his old gear locker wearing his cover and blouse and he blew up about it when she said she wanted to be a marine like him. He addressed his feelings about being in Nam and the horros that he saw and participated in. A well drawn and thoughtful story.