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I Inhaled
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posted 02-21-2000 11:39 AM     Profile for I Inhaled   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
We spend thousands of dollars to have "State of the art" systems....Developers...Make a real "SIM" and I will pay top dollar...Think of this...If you make a real SIM...Users will play this for years..not days
Posts: 37 | From: Jacksonville Beach,Florida,USA | Registered: Oct 1999  |  IP: Logged
INSPECTOR
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posted 02-21-2000 05:27 PM     Profile for INSPECTOR   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
what exactyly, are you inhaling ?

:-}

no sim will be THE sim, {except lb3}

heavy sigh...


Posts: 109 | From: omaha, ne | Registered: Sep 1999  |  IP: Logged
Virgin
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posted 02-22-2000 02:26 PM     Profile for Virgin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
<Think of this...If you make a real SIM...Users will play this for years..not days>

Are you so sure? B2B was a real sim (realistic, at least, at the time) but very few people bought it. Why? While it was a realistic simulation of the Viper, it lacked gameplay elements. I can say this, however, thanks to B2B I found landings in Falcon 4 easy as pie.

Anyway, I was fortunate enough to fly a few real sims and I will say that at least one I wuld not fly for more than a few weeks.

Anyway, I know we are all dreaming about the one sim that gives us everything we want. For me, Janes A-10 Warthog may have been a step in the right direction.

Anyway, I done with the "anyways" and the smilies.

Sorry, I lied.
~Virg

[This message has been edited by Virgin (edited 02-22-2000).]


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Lucky
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posted 02-22-2000 05:34 PM     Profile for Lucky   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
WOW, Now I know 2 people who actually admit to buying B2B. I am the other one. I made the mistake of buying it At Egghead when it first came out. I couldn't return it for cash, only exchange. $59.95 is what I paid. Big bucks for the time. It ran well though on my P100.
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Ojokoltsa
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posted 02-23-2000 12:52 AM     Profile for Ojokoltsa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ahm, what is B2B? Can't make it out...
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Schurem
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posted 02-23-2000 02:30 AM     Profile for Schurem   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
it's a sim that once (back in ye olden days) vied for "the most realistic flightsim"
it had unprecedented avionics modelling, (at the time) quite innovative graphics, and a very salty intro
"goin back to bagdad, gonna kick some a**"

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I just LOVE the smell of NAPALM in the morning


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bighead111
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posted 02-23-2000 09:07 AM     Profile for bighead111   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Virgin:
<Think of this...If you make a real SIM...Users will play this for years..not days>

Are you so sure? B2B was a real sim (realistic, at least, at the time) but very few people bought it. Why? While it was a realistic simulation of the Viper, it lacked gameplay elements. I can say this, however, thanks to B2B I found landings in Falcon 4 easy as pie.

Anyway, I was fortunate enough to fly a few real sims and I will say that at least one I wuld not fly for more than a few weeks.

Anyway, I know we are all dreaming about the one sim that gives us everything we want. For me, Janes A-10 Warthog may have been a step in the right direction.

Anyway, I done with the "anyways" and the smilies.

Sorry, I lied.
~Virg

[This message has been edited by Virgin (edited 02-22-2000).]


What is B2B? B2 Bomber? Tell a bit more please!


Posts: 299 | From: london | Registered: Feb 2000  |  IP: Logged
Bud
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posted 02-23-2000 10:12 AM     Profile for Bud   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Back to Baghdad.
http://www.migman.com.au/ref/simhis/Back2B/Back2B.htm

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Virgin
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posted 02-23-2000 03:41 PM     Profile for Virgin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Bighead,
B2B (Back to Baghdad) was an F-16 sim developed for DOS a ways back. It was, at the time, the most accurate Viper sim on the market.

Unfortunately the sim was surrounded by controversy. The sugg. retail price was $100, though the sim could be found for around $60. I managed to get mine for $30.

While the avionics and flight model was top notch, the sim lacked many "gameplay" elements. It had no campaign, just a list of individual (but realistic) missions that increased in difficulty. The gfx were well done for a pre-3D acellerator game.

One innovation B2B had, was the ability to put a MFD on a mono monitor. It was cool for those of us able to get it to work.

The sim was "endorsed" by Buzz Hoffman, who posted many helpful insights on operating the sim. Landings were a bitch. Finally, the sim had a tac nuke that was, to say the least, impressive. Bright white light, EM Pulse, avionics gone, major rumble, inevitable crash. I know of one or two people that actually survived delivering the nuke.

~Virg


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