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TEFjr
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posted 01-06-2000 11:37 PM     Profile for TEFjr   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Just when I start to feel pretty good about my flying, I fly a '51B and I can't seem to be able to turn without spinning or stalling. How 'bout you guys? The flight model on "easy" is too easy. On realistic it's almost unflyable to me. Is there a tutorial somewhere on Mustangs? mainly the B model.
Thanks

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FlushRivet
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posted 01-07-2000 09:11 AM     Profile for FlushRivet   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
S!

The mustang is lovely to fly once you figure out what it likes, and what it doesn't like. I spun constantly when I first started flying them, especially since I had been flying spits.

A few tips:

In the beginning, you might want to just put the combat flaps down, and leave them there.

Be smooth and gentle on the stick. Think pressure, rather than pull.

The mustang likes speed, so don't waste it. If it is getting gray out, you are pulling too hard. If you hear the buffet you are pulling way too hard.

When you are turning hard, get the nose down. I the nose is above the horizon, you won't be able to turn for long.

When you are going over the top, think large circles. Let the airplane coast over the top. When you are slow, stay off the rudder. You can have full aileron, but don't be pulling on the stick.

If you decide to put full flaps down and turn, keep the speed at 140+ mph IAS. That is also best climb speed.

When I fly the mustang I think of the flight path as if it were a roller coaster. Smooth down for speed, smooth up for height, no abrupt changes of direction. Once you get a feel for it, it is a very graceful thing.

I hope that helps. Don't give up on this fine bird. Practice, practice, practice!

Flush

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Sidewinder062
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posted 01-07-2000 09:30 AM     Profile for Sidewinder062   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Tef, How many missions have you flown in the "B"? If you're really new to the Stang, or if you have transitioned from P-38s or 47s, expect a rough time untill a "feel" developes. I think it took me about ten missions in a career to be able to look after the mission rather than concentrate on stalling and spinning. Hang in there.

Pretty good advise Flush. It's enlightening, even for an old "offliner" like myself. See you over the Channel. Reese


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posted 01-07-2000 10:00 AM     Profile for FlushRivet   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
S! Sidewinder

thnks for the kind words.

Check Six!

flash

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TEFjr
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posted 01-08-2000 07:56 AM     Profile for TEFjr   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I've been following your advice and I think I'm starting to get the hang of it. I was pulling on the stick too much. I flew a mission and only went into a spin once. Even got a kill! I have everything full real and AI settings on "ACE".
There are a couple of terms I'm not sure about. What does "IAS" mean and what is "gray out"?
Thanks for your help!

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posted 01-08-2000 08:35 AM     Profile for FlushRivet   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
S! TEF

Glad you're getting there. IAS is simply indicated air speed, which is one of the choices you have for your display. It is more useful than true airspeed because it is not corrected for air density--maneuver speeds are the same regardless of altitude.

If you have blackout/redout on, gray out is the very beginning of black out--if you are pulling smoothly--and gives you a good idea how many G's you are pulling. In a low lead turn at the merge I sometimes pull into the gray when I really want to honk it around, but it eats speed. Pulling into the black is not recommended

Have Fun,

Flush

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Casey
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posted 01-08-2000 10:38 AM     Profile for Casey   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Flush:

Great advice you gave up there.

I hated the Mustang when I first tried her out; kept asking myself: "This is the fighter everyone says is better than a Corsair or a Spitfire!!???"

But, as you say, appreciation only comes after you learn what she "likes." I felt so uncomfortable flying Mustangs at first, I couldn't imagine anyone charging off into combat against FW-190s or Bf-109s with confidence. But now, I don't really fear 190s unless I'm severely outnumbered.

Hang in there Tuff- I'm in the middle of a campaign with a "B" and I just got my 26th kill last night. I keep praying we'll switch over to Ds, mostly so I can get two more .50s in my wings. I got tired of looking at all those olive and white Mustangs in my squadron so I ordered them to be repainted (I downloaded new skins). Now my squadron is flying bare metal P-51Bs with blue noses- very cool.

I'm getting off the subject but...
Great EAW feature, isn't it? Get sick of one paint job, pick a new one! I already got a great metal and red scheme downloaded for if/when I get into P-51Ds.

Good hunting.

[This message has been edited by Casey (edited 01-08-2000).]


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TEFjr
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posted 01-08-2000 06:37 PM     Profile for TEFjr   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Casey, you must be reading my mind! I to got tired of the "B's" paint and started flying bare metal with blue noses. And the "D" I'm gonna use is one with a red tail. 332 I think.
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Casey
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posted 01-08-2000 10:20 PM     Profile for Casey   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
TEF:

Guess we both have good taste in aircraft paint!

Did some more flying in that campaign today- 38 kills, it's August 1944- still no P-51D!

I'm not a big Mustang fan- I was into Corsairs and Hellcats until I had no choice because the best sims were Europe-based. Can some Pony fan tell me- when did Ds appear on the front lines? Were they phased in gradualy, squadron by squadron?

Thanks.

Good hunting.


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posted 01-08-2000 10:51 PM     Profile for JWC     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
The P-51D's began to equip the 8th Air Force Fighter Groups during the summer of '44. They were certainly phased in; it wasn't squadron by squadron, it was plane by plane! There are many pictures from the period around D-day and stretching well into the fall of 1944 showing mixed combat flights with P-51B's and D's (2+2, or many 3+1 groupings, in favor of both "B" and "D")! As you might suspect, the earlier the photo was taken, the more B's would be in the picture while the later pictures usually show 3 "D"'s and 1 "B" model. Of course, late in 1944 and on into 1945 the P-47 and P-38 units that were re-equipped with P-51's DID convert en masse, but by then there were enough Mustang "D"'s to go around.
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posted 01-09-2000 02:54 PM     Profile for Sidewinder062   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Casey, If you'll tell me what Group and Squadron you're flying in, I'll look through my notes and give you the conversion date to the "D" model. See you over the Channel. Reese
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Casey
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posted 01-09-2000 05:09 PM     Profile for Casey   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Sidewinder:

Jeez, what an "EAW-head" I am. I read your post, then went into EAW while still online, just to check the squadron ID. I saw the mission brief, it was a convoy-buster, so I couldn't resist, I had to fly the mission, while connected, with my virusscan and everything going.

Anyway, it's the 354th Fighter Group, 356th Squadron.

Thanks!


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posted 01-09-2000 09:31 PM     Profile for Sidewinder062   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Casey, According to my notes, my career in the 356th Sqd converted to the P-51D on or about 28 Jul '44. I say on or about because in EAW, nothing is for certain. I noticed in one of your posts that you are already in Aug '44 and still in the "B". There are some things to consider. If you have bailed out there is a period of about three weeks before you are returned to flight status. It has been my experience that if the conversion takes place during this period things have a tendency to change a bit. I'll give you an example. My very first career was in the 20th Gp, 79th Sqd. I flew the P-38H, then got the P-38J. I never converted to the "B" model, but went straight into the "D". In a later career with the 79th I spent some time in the "B". When I researched my notes I noticed that a bail-out must have been responsible for the omission of the stint in the "B". I have only flown one career in the 356th, so my data is limited. If I were you, I would start a concurrent career in the 4th Gp ('44). You will get the "D" no later than D-Day. No other fighter group gets the P-51D any earlier to the best of my knowledge. Hang in there, you'll get those two extra fifties yet. The 354th's colors are not represented on any skin that I know of to date. That blue nosed skin you spoke of is the 352nd Gp. Go here for a good look at the 8th's fighter colors-- www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/jg8th.htm Good luck. See you over the Channel. Reese

[This message has been edited by Sidewinder062 (edited 01-10-2000).]


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posted 01-09-2000 10:47 PM     Profile for TEFjr   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
There is a pretty good skin called "Hun Hunter" here at Combatsim's download section and one or two at Airbuddha's.
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