Some really great new info on the game. I'm sure the info will please most people while soem will probably annoy the hardcore crowd. But..the game is looking nice though IMHO. Nice change of pace from the "spend 4 hours figuring out the air to air radar" kind of game (though they have their place); which some other gameplay ideas to keep it interesting. And hey..for those that like BIG explosions; notice that like bout nuclear devices.

There is also some video that I'm downloading as we speak.

Perhaps...the game will have a option switch to switch off the occurance of fictional crap would be made. So who knows.

Let me say, I think MP7 is another schlock artist's idea of pretty-face fun, NINE MEGS, it takes longer to bootup than 6.4 and forces me to sign off a cookies and 'privacy' act which I know MSoft isn't telling-true on.

As for the rest, the whole scenario is bogus.

Russia has ONE deck. She's scrapped two others, sent one to India and another to Korea which China 'bought back'.

With about 20 Sea Flankers onboard. She 'exercises' every 2 years, if somebody else pays the gas.

She has virtually NO surface escort fleet and I wouldn't be surprised if her underway groups weren't in an equal shambles.

It takes two years and 2-3 billion bucks to lay a new hull, it takes another 5-7 respectively to buy/build an airwing and battlegroup.

It takes a minimum 10 years to develop 'flying fish' competencies (we learn something new every deployment and we've been in the business since day-1).

That means that by the time the Russians pull themselves out of their collective tailspin the calendar will say 2020 /at the soonest/.
My bet is 2050 if they don't break up completely.

Try telling me what aircraft, including the Euroflubber will be 'topline' then?

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Originally posted by Swampthing:
This game is going to do WAY more than annoy the hardcore crowd, they are going to make it they're personal goal to make sure this game sells dismally.

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Great then the hardcore group can drive the final nail into the coffin. Let's make it so NO ONE wants to put out sims anymore. Look it's just a GAME..so what they've included experimental type aircraft in a FICTIONAL war. Just because the hardcore group isn't goingto like it doesn't mean it can't be a good, fun game.

As long as those experimental type aircraft look they'd really fly and aren't shooting laser beams at me; It's all cool.

Sounds good that the FSX is in service, it sounded cool during the days of F3. Anyways, i was sayin though, the UMF which kicked by butt back in Falcon3.0 is still VERY fictional. Its gonna be a while until we have Global Hawk, or Darkstar fly around shooting missiles at you and doing 15g turns.

Personally i think the hardcore community, wouldn't go nuts about this. From what i have heard about Typhoon. The plane itself will pretty realistic(other than the MFD Windows). However if i think about it now, they are right how the pilots scanning his cocpkit, and so on can be simulated with little pop up windows for the radar and stuff.

I have only 2 questions right now, when will it come out, and how far will they go with the fictional...err experimental vehicles and so on.

I can stand seeing the MiG-35 MFI in the air. And won't mind seeing FCS tanks on the ground. But like i said, i don't wnat to see any.... totally outrageous thing. Like something from the Command & Conquer series(a good game i might add ). So pretty much, i better not see a Orca fighter coming after me.

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Originally posted by Nartman11:
EXACTLY. Hey i'm cool aslong as they don't have any laser weapons, and orbital defense platforms as the "fictional weapons".

I can stand seeing the MiG-35 MFI in the air. And won't mind seeing FCS tanks on the ground. But like i said, i don't wnat to see any.... totally outrageous thing. Like something from the Command & Conquer series(a good game i might add ). So pretty much, i better not see a Orca fighter coming after me.

I'm just wondering though, aren't we over reacting? I mean, these special weapons they're talking about are probably gonna be chemical weapons, tactial nukes, and perhaps some new cruise missile. How they are comparing things such as the Falklands war, how the Exocet surprised the British...blah blah. We'll probably just get nailed with some new antiship missile and such.

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In the video you can see what looks like 2 experimental/fictionalaircraft. That first one in the beginning that appears skimming close to the water; then that siamese bomber looking thing. (like that siamese P-51 from WWII). What's interesting is their also appears to be a slightly different Typhoon from the one we're all use to. This is the camo Typhoon you see sitting on hte ground with the twin vertical stabilisers. Cool looking thing. Makes you wonder why the present Typhoon isn't set up that way since it appears most (all?) twin engine jetfighters are.

But I beleive you're right about those special weapons since they do mention cruise missles and nuclear devices. Considering how many times I read post from people asking for nuclear bombs to drop; that should make them happy.

Unless of course they're being dropped on YOU!

shipped ready to be ported to the consoles...

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Originally posted by SkullWarrior0:
Woooooooooooooooow, I didn't know that the SR-71 will be in the game. There are a lot of new planes. I've found some pics on russian sites and some on a german (YF-26).
I couldn't find this russian plane seen at the beginning of the movie (waterhover?) but I've seen it somewhere. The S-37 "Berkut" is interesting, too, because it is a STOVL.

The plane seen at time 1:52 min. seems to be a YF-26 Stalmer.B-1, cool!!

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Avionics that are easier to learn than TAW or EF2000 with half the keys.

(uhh, and I thought TAW was as dumbed down as they could get. Read this as novalogic style radars that see all)

Cruise missile attacks pitch the player against sheer weight of numbers.
(dunno, but this sounds like space invaders to me, or missile command, if it's what i'm thinking it is it's VERY lame in my book)

A variety of unusual secret weapons to defeat you or assist you including a new fighters, a nuclear device and advanced airborne weapons systems

(if there's anything from roswell listed in this category, please warn me now. This is a pretty scary statement.)

In the early days of computer gaming, many flight simulations started as games with an emphasis on fun rather than realism. As technology improved, it became increasingly possible to simulate the kinds of programs in use by the military. DID actually developed and sold simulators to the military, and Total Air War is currently in use by the USAF for training new pilots in the systems of modern air war. Typhoon, however, is a return to our roots, and the emphasis is on combat flight simulation as an action-packed product for both games players and flight simulation enthusiasts.

(air quake about sums this paragraph up)

The game also tailors for more advanced players by offering features such as control of a wingman and other flights.

("advanced" wingman control is the only "hardcore" feature they feel is worthy of mention?)

I could care less about having experimental aircraft being used as frontline weapons. This IS a futuristic, fictional war. In that video I only saw ONE aircraft which might be made up, and it's the twin fuselage design. I've never heard of it but who's to say that it's not being developed? We haven't heard of every aicraft in the world. I've never played the original EuroFighter but I do know that you were using weapons which were experimental and certainly not in service yet.

When I think of this game it reminds me of the fictional invasion of Iceland in Red Storm Rising, with the cruise missile attacks and marine invasions. And as for "missile command", firing waves of cruise missiles and anti-ship missiles at targets is standard. Again, go read Red Storm Rising, it shows how the Russians used Backfire bombers to destroy the Iceland airbase with mass cruise missile attacks.

As long as the game has the three characteristics I deemed important above, I don't see how it could go wrong.

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Originally posted by Swampthing:
Don't get me wrong i'm not a "hardcore" in the respect that I'm gonna start whipping numbers out saying the missiles aren't flying at the right speeds etc etc. like some guys do. But when there's a game that has a history like ef2000 comes out with a sequel with features listed like this then I have to cry foul immediately. EF2000 was considerd and still is a classic, following it up with this thing is nuts.

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Funny thing is that DID are NOT claiming that this is a sequel to EF-2000; else it would have been named EF-2000 v3. It's the flight sim community that's dubbed this game the sequel to EF-2000. No where in that press statement on the site does it say "the sequel to EF-2000" nor does it look like it's being marketed as such. The way I see it the game is EXACTKY what it's being marketed as. This isn't Gunship here where something was promised and not delivered. telling you that you'll be able to hook up to soome future tank sim that won't see the light of day. They're NOT saying it has a multiplay campaign feature when it won't.

BUT..It's amazing how some people are so quick to paint this an an arcade game because it's not in the same league Falcon4. (or becuase it isn't the game they were hoping for) The way I read it, it looks like a sim where they've simplied the avionics somewhat BUT thrown a fully dynamic campaign and team management(brings SWOTL to mind actually).

Don't get me wrong..the game could suck. But how does

"A variety of unusual secret weapons to defeat you or assist you including a new fighters, a nuclear device and advanced airborne weapons systems"

..bring to mind Roswell style technology in your mind?

or how does

"...Typhoon, however, is a return to our roots, and the emphasis is on combat flight simulation as an action-packed product for both games players and flight simulation enthusiasts."

translate into air Quake?

I mean, come on..if you're willing to give Crimson Skies a chance.

Funny thing is i'd prolly buy that game..hehe.

Personally i've restated this over and over by now. Having read that preview over and over again, it seems it shouldn't piss of the hardcore gamers either. I believe, as i have said before we'll see some new cruise missile, probably launched in great numbers to take out key targets in iceland..or whereever we're playing. Obviously since this is a modern country AWACS should be able to pick it up, or atleast some. And we'd scramble to take them out. Its not too hard to shoot downa cruise missile, so...its feasable.

I really enjoyed the video, and after seeing it I will be buying. It seemed to point to an interesting GAME.

OK, I've ripped on Typhoon in the past for the small play area/lack of refuellers or AWACS, but if the DiD/Rage team aren't trying to be 'hardcore' then what's the problem? After all EECH has gained a lot of praise for having a half-decent flight model, simple avionics and a dynamic campaign - where is the difference with Typhoon?

As for 'unrealistic' weapons? Can't you use some imagination in a computer GAME? After all, you can always play F4 + realism patches or Janes F/A-18 if you want.

I dunno about the twin body bomber thing (looked like an SR-71 in front view), but all the others (Ekranoplan (sp?), Su-37 etc.) have some basis in reality, even if some didn't make it past the prototype . Should be interesting to see what Rage think these things can/would do

As for the twin-tailed Eurofighter in the video, are we sure that wasn't a Russian Mig 1.42?

I just wonder what system the vid was taken on?

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Originally posted by Victor:
In the video you can see what looks like 2 experimental/fictionalaircraft. That first one in the beginning that appears skimming close to the water...

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No, I'm sorry, the first one isn't a fictional aircraft. I've seen some pics of these hover years ago.

"You are just gaining your reputation."

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Originally posted by Yorkshire Tea:
... As for the twin-tailed Eurofighter in the video, are we sure that wasn't a Russian Mig 1.42?

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Yes, we can be sure. The MiG-1.42/39 "Felix" looks very, very different (like a small MiG-31 "Foxhound").

"With no honor, he kills merely for pleasure."

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Originally posted by SkullWarrior0:
No, I'm sorry, the first one isn't a fictional aircraft. I've seen some pics of these hover years ago.

"You are just gaining your reputation."

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OK..I don't mind being wrong in this case.

I d/l'd that piece of crap MPV-7 and I've tried three times now to view the movie, it brings up the viewer screen and then the button just moves about a mm and then skips back again before giving me a 'corrupt or unrecognized' message and that's that...

It will work now

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Thanks for the LINK. I'm not sure which version you want to download but I should make it clear that I have WinMedia 7.0 (the 9meg version) installed and it doesn't play.

If one of these others includes a new device CODEC or there is something else I need to do, please, let me know...??