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Author Topic: TRADE Jane's FA-18 for Flanker 2.0
THX-1138
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posted 08-02-2000 09:29 AM     Profile for THX-1138   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Willing to TRADE Jane's FA-18 for a mint condition copy (box, manuals, keymapping, CD (no scratches), CD Jewel box) of Flanker 2. Please e-mail me at teslatime@hotmail.com or post here. Will only consider interested people who reside in the United States of America.
Jane's FA-18 is in MINT condition (box, manuals, CD (no scratches), CD Jewel box).
Wish for a foreign jet fighter since all that I have flown has been North American.

Thank you.

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posted 08-02-2000 12:19 PM     Profile for dali   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote

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posted 08-02-2000 03:32 PM     Profile for Spectre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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posted 08-02-2000 03:32 PM     Profile for Zorba   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote

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posted 08-02-2000 05:49 PM     Profile for Bird Dogg   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Not!!!!!!

Bird Dogg


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posted 08-02-2000 07:38 PM     Profile for Jeepster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
This is some sort of sick joke right?
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posted 08-02-2000 08:24 PM     Profile for AndrewPavacic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jeepster!

I was wondering when you'd be able to drop by again. You started an interesting thread about F2's realism and then kind of disappeared; I was hoping we could benefit from your experience a little. Is there a big difference between flying jets and piston-engined aircraft? A lot of us have PPLs but I don't think that qualifies us well enough to comment on F2's FM. You didn't seem to like it much and I couldn't understand why not.

-Andrew Pavacic


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posted 08-03-2000 02:03 AM     Profile for Blaze   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Dunno why some Flankerites get so excited about the offer, after all this (if successful) also means someone migrating from F2 to F-18 ...
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posted 08-03-2000 04:54 AM     Profile for ecoli   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yes, but like in the old times of the cold war it will be an equal trade of...one F-18 pilot for a Flanker 2. You lose one but gain one also... no real loss here

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posted 08-03-2000 06:34 AM     Profile for Bandit_22   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Blaze the ones getting "excited" are NOT F2 pilots.
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posted 08-03-2000 06:34 AM     Profile for Jeepster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Andrew:-

Yes there is a HUGE difference between flying piston engined aircraft and fast jets.

I flew the CT-4 trainer which was piston-engined and it was a LOT different from the Mirage!

The main difference was not so much in the technical and mechanical aspects of flying, but more a psychological one believe it or not.

The Mirage in particular could be an "interesting" bird to fly in certain circumstances and you really needed to be switched on all the time with it.

With regards to the Flanker 2 computer game, I have seen Janes F-18 in the same store that I bought Flanker from and I really wish I'd bought that instead.

There's no need for me to repeat points I've made elsewhere except to say that I was really disappointed with practically every aspect of the game.

Having said that, it is a computer game and I won't be losing any sleep over the matter.

If you or anyone else arewould like more specific information then fire away!


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posted 08-03-2000 06:35 AM     Profile for Bandit_22   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Andrew was just responding to one of these "excited" NON F2'ers.
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posted 08-03-2000 07:23 AM     Profile for THX-1138   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jeepster,

Are you willing to trade? FA-18 for Flanker2.0? Let me know.

Thanks.

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posted 08-03-2000 08:35 AM     Profile for Jeepster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
THX:-
I'd LOVE to swap Flanker 2 for F-18 but I live in Australia!

Hardly worth the effort methinks!


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posted 08-03-2000 09:44 AM     Profile for THX-1138   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jeepster,

Brand NEW Flanker 2.0 cost here about US $45.00 PLUS 6.5% tax. I will find out if shipping & handling to Australia is cheaper than buying it here. Will let you know. Jane's FA-18 is good but I wish for a foreign fighter...need something different than the red, white and blue stomp!

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posted 08-03-2000 08:28 PM     Profile for SirBenn21     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well I paid R90.00(about $12.00) here in S.A for Flanker 2.0, but then I must have spent about $20 in petrol trying to find it. It's really a shame that they didn't market it proply in my contry as I think it's one of the best money can buy!
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posted 08-03-2000 09:06 PM     Profile for The Whistler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
They didn't market it well in any country. Only one or 2 stores in the capitol of Canada sell it. It is similar in most other places as well. It isn't even on the 15 best selling sim list for the last months while Falcon 4 and Janes f-15 are pretty high up.
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posted 08-03-2000 09:19 PM     Profile for blit_ZEN   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
whistler shut up & go away
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posted 08-03-2000 09:45 PM     Profile for Mailman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well if I can find it in shops in New Zealand then there should be no excuse why you cant find it in shops in the bigger countries.

Hell, they even have the binder versions of Falcon4 still in the shops. Does that mean the sim hasnt sold that well though?

Mailman


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posted 08-04-2000 11:34 AM     Profile for [mposter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Do I feel like a real traitor or what
All this flight gear, and here I sit playing
Diablo 2 for the last 2 weeks...!
Dust all over the TM gear, Fox2 not even been upgraded- sure do need Flanker attack to stir the blood some FWIW, the reason IMO that Flanker didnt/isnt selling so well, is because it's way above most 13 year olds ability to comprehend, where as a real smart guy like Me, who sits here and enjoys Diablo2 day in a day out, takes pleasure in jabbing at whoever comes along, biding time till the next Flanker upgrades
Sick, isnt it (VBG)....



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posted 08-04-2000 01:47 PM     Profile for The Whistler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well I guess New Zealand is the best country for buying games than . The fact that it is not in any stores doesn't mean it isn't selling well but the fact that it has never been on the 15 best selling flight sim list does. I can only guess it isn't cause people can't find it. If you want an excuse for why I can't find it send an email to every canadian software store. The only place I can find it is a bookstore downtown. I hid a copy so I can buy it later.

Imposter,
I know a lot more about airplanes and aviation than most adults I know and im 14 so I don't think that is the reason. But I don't know anyone else my age that would rather play Flanker or Falcon than Quake or Halflife so it is possible.

Blitzen,
Quit flaming.


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posted 08-04-2000 03:30 PM     Profile for THX-1138   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Whistler,

Keep up with this hobbie and don't get upset of these flamers, they are just bored and have nothing better to do sometimes.

It seems that I will go ahead and go to my local EB and buy Flanker 2.0! I want the feel of a non-north american fighter jet.

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posted 08-04-2000 04:37 PM     Profile for [mposter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"The fact that it is not in any stores doesn't mean it isn't selling well but the fact that it has never been on the 15 best selling flight sim list does. "

Nope, and it will never be on the top 15 best selling list, because its "too hard" for most people to learn in 15 minutes, much less 15 months... Kids and adults included...As far as on the best selling lists for "fighter sims", I dunno, but if its not there, it should be...
Flanker 1.5 IMO was a masterpiece....

Now, there are some "inclined" so to speak, as you are, who enjoy a challenge.
Then there are those who like the simplistic side of flight/fighter and other sims, because of time restraints, or lack of understanding the multiple concepts involved... Flanker requires both, time and understanding of the concepts, but also it requires PRACTICE. I know how to fly Her, but if I do not practice with Her every day, I loose that feel, and I can tell asap !
I say again, the attention span of most non-flightsim folks just aint that long, or they dont like the time of the learning curve involved ...Thats why quake did so well
Just kidding and ragging on the above post- sorry, but someimes Im a stinker Glad your involved in Flanker !!!


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posted 08-04-2000 04:49 PM     Profile for The Whistler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It also may have something to do with it being a russian AC. Even Falcon 4 and Janes F-15 are on that list!!! A lot of people I know that don't know much about planes think that all Russian planes are run down junkers that are falling apart and vastly inferior to american planes. So I bet if you were one of those people in a computer store and you saw two boxes, one with a slick looking black American F-15E on the front and the other with a stangly painted blue plane that has a big red star on it you would probably go with the cool looking american plane.

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posted 08-05-2000 08:49 PM     Profile for Mailman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Maybe though in this day and age software doesnt have to be brougt in stores though..I mean....I have bought just about all the software I own over the net for the last couple of years.

so...just because you cant find it in the stores doesnt mean you cant find it on the net because as we all know...the net is open 24 hours a day.

Mind you....i only buy over the net because software here in NZ is so damned expensive....nearly $60USD if I brought it at a shop compared to $40USD inc postage etc.

finally...what kind of measure methodology do these guys use to guage what sim is selling well and what isnt?

Im pretty damned sure that publishers arent going to divulge sensitive information such as sales figures to anyone.

Regards

Mailman


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posted 08-05-2000 10:44 PM     Profile for The Whistler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Go to the dogfighter website. URL is www.dogfighter.com. On the briefs there is a list of the best selling flight simulators as compiled by the IED group. This is a exerpt I took from the bottom of the page.

"Interactive Entertainment data collected on an aggregate basis from each of the 23 retail chains participating in the sample, whose sales represent approximately 80% of total industry sales in the U.S."

If you go to their site (http://www.npd.com/) they have best sellers lists for all kinds of software. On the entertainment list which consists of all genres of games there is not one flight sim.

P.S. A lot of people, including me, don't like to buy things online. In fact the only people I know who buy things of the net are some people on this forum. And even if a lot of people buy online the sales could still be bad compared to other sims (which are also sold on line).

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posted 08-06-2000 02:17 PM     Profile for leafer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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A lot of people, including me, don't like to buy things online. In fact the only people I know who buy things of the net are some people on this forum.

Look at cdw, necx, AMAZON (they haven't really made money but they have millionzzz of customers world wide), EBAY, DELL, gateway........blah........... and when was the last time anyone go to a store to buy an ISP? I buy my books, software and hardware on the net because they are always at least 10-15% cheaper and I don't have to pay tax.

Perhaps you meant a lot of people don’t like to buy certain possessions on line, right? The kind of things that you must be present to get a good impression of the products (such as: cloths, pets, houses, cars, furniture, grocery........blah blah.......)


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I remember reading some figures for sales of F2 in Europe, and it was doing quite well in flightsim terms...can't remember the mag...i'll look around; but i think in Europe we are more open to flying non-US stuff...

Z


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posted 08-06-2000 03:36 PM     Profile for The Whistler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
No I meant some poeple just don't lke to buy stuff on line. Maybe it is just here because a lot of things end up more expensive when you convert it from USD to Cdn$ especialy with S&W. I would rather get something for less down the street right now than for even more money and wait weeks for it. I was thinking about buying Novalogic F-16 and Mig29 for $19 USD over the net. After all the shipping costs and conversions it would be just under $60 CDN.

P.S. Most people buy ISPs over the phone or get kits from the store. THink about it, if your buying an Internet Service Provider online how would you get on the net to buy it?

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THink about it, if your buying an Internet Service Provider online how would you get on the net to buy it?

from all the ISP that comes with every Microsoft Windows for starter.

Or call your ISP of choice and ask them to mail you an installation CD then the rest is online stuff; unless you want to pay them first then wait for the CD.

or friends computer or school or library.


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posted 08-06-2000 08:02 PM     Profile for THX-1138   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
No one wishes to trade/sell their copy or an extra copy of Flanker 2.0 for a good price? That was my original request.

Thank you.

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