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Fixxxer
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posted 02-25-2000 10:31 AM     Profile for Fixxxer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi,

since su27 is a fly-by-wire airplane why do I have to keep trimming. There should be an autotrim feature, not like the H key. Am I right?

Bye


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Gecko
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posted 02-25-2000 01:01 PM     Profile for Gecko   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
That is one good question that I've asked myself also. My guess is that FBW does not necessarily mean an autotrim. Although a plane may be unstable, so that the usual trimming in the sense of setting the control surfaces to a different zero input position does not apply, one can do trimming in the sense of setting a zero stick input Angle of Attack that the FCS tries to maintatin at no stick input.

But I am not sure whether it is done so in the real bird and in this sim.


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leafer
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posted 02-25-2000 04:26 PM     Profile for leafer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I believe it is, but only for the vertical axis.
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Ozias
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posted 02-25-2000 11:55 PM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
As far as I know, the FBW on the flanker only operates on the pitch axis, and is mainly used as an alpha/G limiter, along with the altitude hold autopilot.


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posted 02-26-2000 12:10 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Perhaps someone could define FBW as it applies to this discussion? Does it mean simply the lack of a mechanical/hydraulic linkage and the presence of an electronic linkage between the controls and the control surfaces or does it also imply some sort of sophisticated flight control system software? If only the former, then the Su-27 is a FBW aircraft. If the latter, then the F/A-18E or F-16 would be a better example. Possibly (probably ) I'm displaying my ignorance here, so I would be interested to hear more about this subject.
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posted 02-26-2000 12:15 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
To add: As I understand it, FBW does not imply CCV - the Airbus series of jetliners are FBW but do not incorporate CCV attributes (instantaneous 9g turns at 130-degree AOA not being desirable or possible in an airliner ) but many modern jet fighters (Eurofighter, etc.) do.
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posted 02-27-2000 01:03 PM     Profile for Zed     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Oh dear....some serious confusion here!

I will try to explain this the best i can:

The base Su-27 is FBW. It is analoge not digital. This merely means that command controls from the stick are taken as analoge commands (just like your games joystick) and sent to a central computer processing unit. There is no physical link between the pilot and the control surface (as in the WWII fashion). What this computer does is take in information all of the sensors (speed, alt, etc.) assess the demand from the control stick and 'thinks' what position the control surfaces need to be in to comply. (its not really thinking, computers cannot improvise..).
This is where the fun (confusion) begins; the channels in the Su-27 are triple-redundant, with mechanincal backup. What this means is that there are three wires/lines to the control surface (general rule) which back each other up.
The mechanical, works like the WWII era controls and can only deflect to 50% any control surface.
On top of this it is only FBW in the longitudinal channnel (pitch) and not in roll or yaw...

So why do this.....it to cure two things, with a third positive effect. The problems are first the design of 'dynamic/static instability' ('static' if important to fighter jocks)and the other is fuel weight ( the reason its on the Airbus series....love those ).

This is where it goes complex...so if you want more info...well...ask

Zed


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Zed
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posted 02-27-2000 01:05 PM     Profile for Zed     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
...i thougth CCV was Christs Church of the Valley.....

Zed


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JA
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posted 02-27-2000 01:57 PM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Actually, that clears it up pretty well, I think. Thanks for the information!
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