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By Jon Dougherty and David Kupelian
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

The manual vote recounts being insisted on by Democratic operatives in Palm Beach County, Fla., have been used for over 20 years to steal elections from Republicans, claim several GOP veterans of hand-recount election-upsets.

According to Bob Haueter, chief of staff to the California Assembly Republican Caucus, and an expert on manual recounts, a Democrat lawyer intimately involved in "stealing" elections from Republicans through hand recounts admitted to the process and even shared the techniques involved.

After Tuesday's vote and an automatic recount still left GOP nominee George W. Bush ahead by a slim 288-vote margin, Palm Beach elections officials decided that a manual recount of all 425,000 votes should be undertaken.

"What's happening in Florida is exactly the game plan laid out to me by an attorney who represented the Democrats in a recount in California where they stole a seat from us," former California Assemblyman Pat Nolan told WorldNetDaily.

A staunch conservative legislator, Nolan served in the California Assembly from 1978 until 1994, when he was convicted, along with several other lawmakers, in a federal corruption probe. After spending a little over two years in federal prison, he emerged to become president of Justice Fellowship, the public policy arm of Watergate figure Chuck Colson's Prison Fellowship Ministries. For the past four years, Nolan has worked with Colson -- another fallen-but-reformed public figure -- to reform the criminal justice system.

Regarding the 1980 California Assembly race between Republican Adrian Fondse and Democrat Pat Johnston, Nolan recalled that the Republican won "by about 54 votes or so."

But after the election, Democrats "brought in their junkyard dog lawyers from around the country," said Nolan, "and basically harassed the local registrar -- got in their faces and demanded to handle ballots" -- which were of the same type now in dispute in Palm Beach.

The same issue of "hanging chads -- the little squares in the punch cards -- was also an issue in Stockton," says Nolan. The Democrats' strategy, he says, was to handle them as often as possible -- perhaps bending, crinkling or otherwise altering them -- so that additional chads become displaced, thereby disqualifying the ballot.

The result? In the Stockton election, Nolan said Democrats were successful in getting the vote count reversed from a plus-54 win by Republicans to a minus-17 loss.

"I vowed that I'd never let that happen again," Nolan said. "So I asked my staff to track down the lawyer that headed up the team for the Democrats."

Haueter was, at that time, chief of staff for Nolan, and it was he who first contacted attorney Tim Downs, who readily admitted the Democratic strategy and even described the tactics to Nolan.

"When I first called him and explained to him who I was and why I was calling, he chuckled and said, 'I wondered when you guys would get around to calling me,'" Haueter said, adding that Downs told him -- "'I've taken several seats from you across the United States.'"

"Downs told me, somewhat tongue-in-cheek, 'You get me within 100 votes and I can steal any election,'" Haueter told WorldNetDaily.

Nolan subsequently hired Downs and "brought him out to train my staff in the techniques they [Democrats] were using" so they could protect themselves against future election-fraud victimization, Nolan said.

Nolan and Haueter said Downs described three basic tactics:

"The first rule is, you keep counting until you're ahead. And if that doesn't put you ahead, you recount, re-recount -- you keep counting until you're ahead. If you're behind, then you've got nothing to lose."

Second, Nolan said, "the more times those ballots are handled, the more chance there is that chads will break loose" and hence disqualify the ballot.

Third, he said, "the minute you're ahead, you stop and declare yourself the victor."

"After that, you don't want the ballots handled any more," Nolan said, "because some of the chads for your candidate might break loose. While you're behind it doesn't matter, but if you're ahead and more break off or become disqualified for your candidate, that's a bad thing."
A favorite tactic, said Nolan, is to ask election officials for ballots, "allegedly so they can look at it more closely." When operatives do, often they will bend or crinkle ballots covertly in an effort to break another chad loose and thus have the ballot thrown out.

"This whole process sounds like exactly what is going on in Florida," Nolan said. "And the more times those ballots are handled, the more chances are you'll break some of them [chads] loose."

Nolan referred to Fox News' Tony Snow's weekend interview with Bush campaign representative and former Secretary of State James Baker, in which he asked Baker why -- after each time election officials run ballots through mechanical vote-tally machines -- there have been more votes counted or taken away from both candidates.

"Baker didn't have an answer to that," Nolan said. "But the answer is, because they've handled those ballots more times, breaking loose more of those chads" -- those that perhaps weren't completely punched through.

"The tactics fit what [Downs] told me back in 1982 and 1983," Nolan said, who added that he didn't know who Downs may have worked with using these tactics recently.

WorldNetDaily attempted to reach Downs by phone on Sunday, but was unsuccessful.

Following a mechanical recount over the weekend, Palm Beach election officials awarded an additional 36 votes to Gore, while Bush lost three.

"A hand count of four selected precincts turned up enough additional votes for Gore to prompt the Democratic majority on the county election commission to order the hand recount in all 531 precincts," the Associated Press reported.

Republicans, news accounts said, lodged "strenuous protests" and pledged to file a lawsuit halting yet another recount of Palm Beach votes. That hearing is scheduled for today.

Reports said nearly 30,000 ballots have already been rejected in Palm Beach County because they had two or more holes punched for president, or because computers could not detect any holes at all. Ballots with two votes also are rejected in hand counts.

Corroborating Haueter's and Nolan's account is a parallel story by Los Angeles-area political strategist Arnold Steinberg. In a National Review.com piece titled "Beware of Hanging Chads," Steinberg asks, "Do you know what two words will determine the Presidential election?" The chilling answer, he said: "Hanging chads."

Steinberg, describing a 1980 congressional race between long-time incumbent, Democrat James C. Corman, and Steinberg's client, Republican challenger Bobbi Fiedler, recalls how after Fiedler's upset victory -- by a slim margin -- over the heavily favored Corman, the Democrats called for a hand recount.

"Democratic Party lawyers and recount specialists descended on the county registrar's office," says Steinberg. "Each recount station had a government employee to do the counting, flanked by one Democratic and one Republican observer.

"The Democrats' agenda was, of course, to change the election result, and they went about it systematically. At their urging, the recounting began with Corman's strongest precincts, Fiedler's weakest. Their intention was to recount ballots in those areas until the election outcome was reversed, and then stop the recount. Similarly, today in Florida, the Gore people are demanding hand recounts in their favored counties, where they would be most likely to gain."

Just as important as the order in which the precincts are recounted, however, is outright ballot tampering, says Steinberg.

"Their hired guns tried lots of tricks on Corman's behalf, but what I remember most was the hanging chads. A chad is the perforated square (or circle) on the ballot that a voter depresses with a pin to indicate his preferred candidate. The chad hangs from the ballot if the voter didn't fully depress it -- for instance, if an older person did not press firmly enough. This matters because voter machines usually are not able to tabulate cards with hanging chads.

"It often comes down to interpreting the voter's intention. Does the chad hang 'strongly' -- i.e, detached only a little -- meaning that it is a mistake that should not be counted? Or does it hang loosely -- i.e., mostly detached -- as an intended vote would be?

"What my lawyers soon discovered was that the opposition would eyeball a disputed ballot before picking it up to officially inspect it. If the hanging chad indicated a vote for Fiedler, the lawyer for the other side picked up the ballot ever so carefully, so he could argue that the voter really never intended to vote for Fiedler. If the hanging chad was a Corman vote, the lawyer picked up the ballot quite vigorously, so that the chad soon was no longer hanging.

"'You see,' their guy would declare, 'that voter obviously intended to vote for Corman.'"

Luckily, says Steinberg, "it didn't take long to figure out all the opposition's tricks. I added more lawyers, more observers, and the bad guys eventually caved. Bobbi Fiedler's victory was preserved. But it was a nasty business."

Echoing Nolan's and Haueter's experience with manual-vote recounts, Steinberg says, "The more things change, the more they stay the same."

Democrats cry,

Recount:
Republicans win,

Democrats cry again and want a recount.

Whenever candidates are arranged in this "butterfly ballot", exactly as they were in the county where Buchannan got a disproportional amount of votes, is there a disproportional amount of ballots cast for the candidate opposite the second candidate on the left. In other words, does the ballot tend to induce voters to punch a hole in a typical place that does not select their candidate? Remember, people complained about this ballot.

Cost also makes holding separate elections for president impossible. These things cannot be done too many times. We already had primaries, then runoffs for county and state positions, now the general election. It would be really hard to add another one.

Skoonj

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Excelsior, Fathead!
--Jean Shepherd

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Originally posted by Bigshot:
I hope you feel proud of the fact that tens of thousands of good Americans never had their vote counted.

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Counted what, counted twice? How about those serving your country overseas who never got to vote at all?

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Originally posted by Bigshot:
Propaganda!!! Boy, you guys are just as good as the Nazis were!!! I hope you feel proud of the fact that tens of thousands of good Americans never had their vote counted. The only thing that'll save this disaster is for the Supreme Court of the United States to find that Floridaaaah is to be excluded from this election. They have the power!!! It is that State that has deprived thousands of its citizens from a precious right. That is to participate in our democracy. Hopefully, the court will do the right thing. If not, then you deserve that little pipsqueak from Texas who laughs at executions.

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How about all of the absentee ballots that Sore Loserman wanted the three Florida re-count counties to be more strict about, and in the same breath, complaining that the counties were being too strict about counting the dimpled chads to determine the intent of the voters? This is an obvious ploy to exclude the military from the process.

And how is it that the overwhelming majority of the disputed ballots turn out to favor Sore Loserman? The ballots were designed by a Democrat, and samples were sent to all of the registered voters in Florida, not just the Republicans. By this logic, the Democratic lawyers are saying that Democrats are dumber than Republicans!

How many times should the votes be counted? They've already been counted three times! I guess the more times you count, re-count, fold, spindle and mutilate a ballot, the more votes you can manufacture for a candidate who lost!

You want to exclude Florida from the election because the election didn't go the way you wanted it to? Yeah, that's fair, lets change the rules to suit your purpose!

Participation in the election process means taking the responsibility to be informed, read the directions, and if you screw up in the voting booth, exchange your messed-up ballot for a new one at the polls, not whine about it after you leave!

And about capital punishment, I would like to see use of the the electric chair discontinued. Instead, they should use the electric bleachers!

[...the original complaint: That the ballot was "ergonomically misengineered" to prevent people from voting the way they wanted...]

As I understand it, the ballot used in Palm Beach County was NOT " 'ergonomically misengineered' to prevent people from voting the way they wanted". Elderly voters in Palm Beach County had complained after previous elections that the print on the ballots was too small for them to read. So for this year, the head of the "elections board" in Palm Beach County, a Democrat, decided to to use much larger, more easily readable print on the ballot in this election. But the punch holes on the ballot apparently cannot be put in a different place. This forced the ballot to be an extra-wide ballot, with the holes down the middle.

According to reports, the ballot was approved by BOTH political parties well before the election, and a sample ballot was published in the local newspaper two weeks before the election. Nobody, Democrat or Republican, seems to have voiced any concerns about "voter confusion" then. It was only after Gore lost a very close race that the Democrats starting doing backflips over the ballot.

[...Remember, people complained about this ballot...]

When? As I noted above, the only complaints I've heard about came after the election (after Gore lost).

[...Where else has this ballot been used?...]

Actually, last Saturday I was listening to a radio broadcast where some lawyer from Boston was talking about a legal case in some place called Delaheim regarding the same ballot system, but he was cut off by the radio announcer - Limbaugh's fill in host I think, so I never got to hear the details.