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Spectre
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posted 01-14-2000 01:29 PM     Profile for Spectre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
www.stratfor.com/SERVICES/GIU/011400.ASP

This is a great article but what's more: take a look at the included map. Notice where the pipeline is going (if it ever is built...). It will go right through Macedonia that borders with Kosovo...

My take on this: Kosovo is a buffer zone to protect the eventual pipeline. Remember that Yugoslavia is still very much a Russian ally.

Folks: the Balkans and the trans-Caucusas are definitely the battlefields of the future...


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mbaxter
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posted 01-14-2000 02:09 PM     Profile for mbaxter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I disagree. The Balkans are too heavily protected and in too close a proximity to NATO. There can be no battleground between NATO and Russia in such a terribly lopsided situation - the Russians are stubborn but not stupid.

If you're looking for the battlegrounds of the future, look no further than Central Asia and South Asia. That's where the real action is: places like the Chechnya, Dageston, Armenia, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Xianjiang, Sri Lanka. Serious warfare and new crises erupting every month somewhere in the region.


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Spectre
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posted 01-14-2000 03:14 PM     Profile for Spectre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
. That's where the real action is: places like the Chechnya, Dageston, Armenia, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Xianjiang,..

That is the trans-caucusas region

As for the region being heavily defended...I don't agree on that point mbaxter. Turkey is the key here...if they go 'radical' then we've got a situation.


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posted 01-14-2000 03:25 PM     Profile for Skater - SimHQ   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Spectre, even you should know that Stratfor.com reports are dubious. This is the same site that in April had reported that between 30 and 40 NATO aircraft had been destroyed by Yugoslavia, and that the F-117 that was shot down was destroyed by a super high-tech system designed and developed in secrecy in Yugoslavia, and that not even the Russians had been briefed on it's existence.

What a joke.

-Skater


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Spectre
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posted 01-14-2000 03:31 PM     Profile for Spectre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah, I guess you're right... We should all bow down to CNN (Clinton's News' Network) or some other liberal media source. Great choices out there...

Oh..and lest we forget that many news media also reported those figures but were quickly dropped.

Wonderful quote:

In war...truth is the first casualty.

Remember the poor blokes in train that got bombed to hell...and then the Air Farce fast forwarded the video to make it look as an 'act of god'....

You choose your sources and I'll choose mine


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I LOVE YU
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posted 01-14-2000 07:09 PM     Profile for I LOVE YU   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Spectre,

Your theory is interesting! We know NATO did not intervene in Kosovo for humanitarian reasons. It is my firm belief NATO intervention in Kosovo was driven by economical forces. This Stratfor article fits my beliefs perfectly!


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Samual Davis
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posted 01-16-2000 01:57 PM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
So tell me spectre, just where do you get this thing against CNN from?

After all they are no different to any other news industry around the world...the fact is that ALL of them have to make money and if you dont make money you dont stay in business.

Me thinks its more to do with Paranoia or the fact that its an american business than anything else.

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posted 01-17-2000 08:31 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
ILY,
yes, probably there were economical as well as humanitarian reasons behind the intervention in Kosovo. Economy will always be a factor behind a war and that was the case in Kosovo particularly for Europe.
So what?

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posted 01-17-2000 08:48 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It is quite obvious that CNN is propaganda engine for US government.

I do not know, how exactly it works, but as far as international issues are concerned, they are always promoting USA point of view and spin-engineer their reports for that purpose.

Compare CNN's reports to BBC's on the same issue (which is promoting British government position, but not so agressively, so can go as an independent media source for the sake of comparison with CNN). On the same issues, CNNs are much more spin-engineered. Watch descriptions and comments added to the report. They are there to form a reader's opinion. It's getting even worse with TV picture.

It's all rather subtle, but not so subtle in CNN's case. Pretty obvious, if you care to check what you are fed with.


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posted 01-17-2000 09:20 AM     Profile for Christian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"It is quite obvious that CNN is propaganda engine for US government."

Strange. Considering that it's not too long since CNN accused US forces of using nerve agents during the Vietnam war.


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Samual Davis
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posted 01-17-2000 04:41 PM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Alex, I dont know what planet you come from but you make it sound that the only impartial or trusted news source is from your country.

Well I got news for you mate but I wouldnt trust Russian media for as far as one could kick them....especially since the media for so long has been run by the government and you dont just throw the shackles off over night.

If the government aint directing them what to say then they are probably a cover up or front end for the Russian media.

Yes it sounds rediculous doesnt it but its no more rediculous than what you say or your mis-trust of western media.

At the end of the day CNN, BBC News, Uncle Ivans Media et al all have to make money to stay in business...this isnt just a western thing its a world thing (that is unless they are a state run news source like the chinese media).

Also Christian, didnt Peter Arnet and co make that one up about Nerv agents being used in Vietnam or was that the one about AWOL servicement being killed in cambodia....I cant remember??

toater


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posted 01-17-2000 07:29 PM     Profile for Paul Morrison   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The story of Operation Skyhook alleged both the assasination of POW's/AWOL's/MIA's in Cambodia and the use of chemical weapons in the war in Cambodia. The story was a joint Time/CNN piece, I'm not sure who the author was. It was later found out that the alleged nerve agent was CS or CN gas (that's plain old teargas). Or so the story goes... This is not the only alleged use of nerve agents, and it is not the only alleged incident involving the assasination of american's.
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Opa
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posted 01-18-2000 06:16 AM     Profile for Opa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, at least the russian media wasn't Russias propaganda machine in 1994-96, though things have changed.

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Der Opa


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_ALEX_
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posted 01-18-2000 07:14 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Of course, the point is not that Russian media sources (or any other media sources) are more trustworthy than CNN. Not at all.

The point is that CNN is promoting views of the State Department, making them a public opinion of USA citizens. As I said, I dont know how this relationship works, but it obviously exists.

As for blowing some big stories from time to time: (1) dont forget that CNN is a profit-making private business; for them ratings are all-important, which means they need big stories; (2) there are internal political fights - there media is a powerful weapon; (3) that particular sory you mentioned - does it make any harm to the present government of USA at all?

Therefore, whenever you are watching CNN international news, just keep in mind that you are being fed with something cooked by a skilled chef, rather than raw and fresh.


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posted 01-18-2000 09:09 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
that goes for all news on this planet as far as i am concern.
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posted 01-18-2000 10:25 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yes, that's my opinion as well.
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I LOVE YU
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posted 01-29-2000 11:03 AM     Profile for I LOVE YU   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Gero,

>>So what?

Nothing. I just want all of those who committed war crimes to be held responsible. Including NATO war criminals!!


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