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Topic: SUWin caused a General Protection Fault!

manfromups
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posted 04-25-2002 08:55 AM

I have been running a dual boot, XP/98SE, since late October of last year. I was having some minor problems with XP so I decided on a clean install. I needed to reinstall 98SE and then install the upgrade but after format I could no longer install 98SE. I have tried every solution I could find in the Microsoft Knowledge Base but no matter what I do, a General Protection Fault occurs as soon as the installation CD finishes copying files in preparation for installation. The progress bar hits 100%, there is a brief pause, an hour glass comes up, and I get the error message: "03AF:OCCASUWIN/SUWin has caused a General Protection Fault in module(unknown) and will close. The only difference in this system since I set up the original dual boot is the GF4 I installed at the beginning of April. Is there any chance that this could have something to do with my difficulties? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. I have trying to resolve this problem for almost three weeks. Dell XPS T600
PIII 600 MHz
640 Mb SDRAM @100MHz
Phoenix Bios
440 BX
GeForce 4 Ti 4400
Thanks in advance...Scott

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VMF-124_Gramps
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posted 04-25-2002 10:35 AM

Couple of questions Scott. I take you had 2 logical drives set up, i.e. C: and D:. Did you format D or just C? I'm not as familiar with XP but if I'm reading stuff right, it's Win2K-2. That also probably a different file system than Win98 is using. Try booting from a floppy and run fdisk . That will allow you to delete logical drives. Make sure you delete the partitions first, then the drives. Resart your machine then if your wanting to go back to the dual boot, go set up your hd's again in fdisk. Format the c and give her another go.

As a side note, you probably already know this, but you have to install the older OS first.

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The Quiet Man
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posted 04-25-2002 11:04 AM

It's been a while since I set up W98 from a fresh install, but I believe those errors are usually caused by BIOS settings that Windows setup is not expecting to see.

Do as Gramps suggests, FDisk and reset your partions. You might want to run FDisk with the /MBR switch first to make sure any boot manager settings are cleared as well.

You mentioned adding a GF4, does your Dell have onboard video? Double check those settings. If need be, pull the the GF and run the install with the boxes default hardware configuration. You can always add the GF after Winblows is installed.

Try that and let us know how it went.

TQM

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manfromups
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posted 04-25-2002 03:03 PM

Thanks TQM and Gramps. I've reformatted C(not D)a bunch of times with both Partition Magic and straight from the boot disk. Tried FAT and FAT32, mostly FAT32. My Dell shipped with a Voodoo 3, no on board video. I've tried disabling Ultra DMA on each of my hard drives and my CD ROM individually and all at once as suggested through the Microsoft Knowledge Base. I pulled each of my three memory sticks out and tried installations with each individually. There aren't many more BIOS settings I can change. As these posts demonstrate, the machine is running fine on the boot that remains so I think I can safely rule out hardware failure. The fact that I can't figure it out, in and of itself, is far worse than any utility I lose without the second boot.

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posted 04-25-2002 03:24 PM

Hey Scott, you can't install an older OS after you have a newer OS running. You gonna have to get rid of the XP whoya and the logical drive (D) before you can do anything else. I'm no expert (yet) but dollars to doughnuts that could be your problem. Back up your info, Fdisk, delete the partition, restart, fdisk, fix your partitions, install 98 and then XP. See if that'll fix you up.

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manfromups
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posted 04-25-2002 04:06 PM

Gramps,
The XP boot is hidden from the partition I'm trying to reinstall 98SE on. I'm switching back and forth with the rescue disk version of Partition Magic(6.0 doesn't work with XP). When I upgraded to XP I chose not to switch to NTFS to the extent that that matters.

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Gonzo.
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posted 04-25-2002 06:19 PM

Maybe the installation disk is damaged. I don't see that You did anything wrong.

This is how I install a double system:

1.- Made two primary partitions with fdisk (a third one is useful for aplications and file sharing).

2.- Format each one with FAT32.

3.- Install WIN98SE on both.

4.- Upgrade one to XP.

5.- Use a sector copy disk utility like Norton ghost to avoid to repeat the previous steps in the future.

This makes a clean install and You must not experience any problems at all.

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VMF-124_Gramps
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posted 04-25-2002 10:46 PM

Scott,

Confirmed with one of my instructors. You're gonna have to remove XP completely and start over. Your primary partition is C:. You take the OS off there, the next OS goes and takes that boot sector. I understand what you're saying, but correct me if I'm wrong, you partitioned a logical drive from the extended partition from the "primary" partition. Where it is hidden, it's not really hidden.

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manfromups
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posted 04-26-2002 06:59 AM

Gramps,
I have two primary partitions on my first hard drive. With Partition Magic I can set either one of them as active. That said, when I started this whole thing I formatted my first primary partition, the partition which held XP. It had been placed first because I had read that XP was subject to a boot code boundary <4Gb. I then tried to reinstall 98SE which would then have been upgraded to XP. It was only after numerous installation failures that I gave up and chose to upgrade my original 98SE boot to XP. When I set the dual boot up back in October it went off without a hitch. Go figure. I hesitate to start entirely from scratch because if I format both primary partitions and I'm still unable to get 98SE to install then I go from being irritated and puzzled to being totally screwed. At least now I have one operable operating system.

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posted 04-26-2002 08:19 AM

Scott, I understand what you're saying. I just set up a dual boot a month ago with Win2k and XP, and I'm doing a system now with 98 and 2k. When I blow up my first machine and start over, I'll have to go in just the opp of how I put them in. Shouls be alot fun. Good luck with it man.

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The Quiet Man
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posted 04-26-2002 10:04 AM

Okay..........

The standard way of setting up a dual boot machine is to install the oldest OS first, and the newer one second. I've read methods of doing it the other way around, but it's a lot of work and not guaranteed to work in any case.

At this point, try swapping in another drive, make it your primary and install W98 there. It doesn't have to be a new drive, one that's sitting in your junk drawer or a loaner from a buddy will do just fine. This will tell you for certain if W98 will work or not with your hardware.

After that, you should be comfortable wiping your current drive and doing a full install of W98, then XP.

I'd be cautious using the older version of Partition Magic with XP as well. Although it's a great utility, it still uses non-Microsoft standard partitioning, and may be part of the problem. Use W98's FDisk utility instead to set up the drive partitions.

Good luck, Bubba.

TQM

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Gonzo.
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posted 04-26-2002 09:14 PM

Directly from M$ Knowledge Base (Q306559)

To Create a Multiple-Boot System with Windows XP and MS-DOS, Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me

NOTE : You cannot install both Windows 95 and Windows 98 in a multiple-boot configuration. Windows 98 is intended as an upgrade to Windows 95 and it will try to use the same boot file.

You have to install Windows XP only after installing MS-DOS, Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me to prevent these operating systems from overwriting the Windows XP boot sector and the Windows XP startup files.

To create a multiple-boot system with Windows XP and MS-DOS, Windows 95, Windows 98 or Windows Me:
Ensure that your hard disk is formatted with the correct file system.

Install the multiple operating systems into separate volumes, in the following order: MS-DOS, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, and then Windows XP.

Do one of the following:

If you want a multiple-boot system with MS-DOS, Windows 95, Windows 98 or Windows Me along with Windows XP, install MS-DOS, Windows 95, Windows 98 or Windows Me, and then install Windows XP.

If you want a dual-boot system with only Windows 95, Windows 98 or Windows Me, install Windows 95, Windows 98 or Windows Me, and then install Windows XP.

Install each operating system according to the standard installation procedure.

So those CENSOSED are using the boot sector to save his anti-pirating schemes. That's the only explanation why two separated primary partitions can run independently!.

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posted 04-27-2002 08:13 AM

Gonzo, I think it might have more to do with 95 coming out in 1995 and XP coming out 2001. Gates maybe a visionary, but I don't think he had his programers write a program 7 years ago with XP in mind.

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manfromups
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posted 04-27-2002 08:24 AM

Again, thank you all for taking the time to consider my problem. I could understand(sort of)that installation order might make a difference but as I mentioned in a previous post, my first attempts at setting this up involved formatting the XP boot while retaining my 98SE OS. So what I hoped to end up with was two 98SE boots, one of which would then be upgraded to XP. I tried this for most of the first weekend that this all started and consistently got the same error message at the same point in the installation as I'm now getting with XP as the hidden boot. I've been using Cacheman since the early EAW days when I had a 233 K6. The Knowledge Base article I read said my problem could be related to incorrect BIOS settings. Does Cacheman make changes at the BIOS level? I know I'm probably grasping at straws but...

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manfromups
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posted 05-02-2002 08:48 PM

E-mailed Dell over the weekend and by Tuesday they decided that the best solution was to replace the hard drive(nice call TQM). Had the new drive Wednesday morning at 9:30. By 3:00 I had both XP and 98SE installed and they each appear to be running better than either did before. For what it's worth, my IL-2 framerates are at least twice as high in 98SE as they were in XP. And I can program my X45 again...