P.S. how can you react against IR missiles, do you have to get a visual on them or is there an other way??

Finding the target... hmmm... it depends on what your mission is. If it's a strike mission, your target will be at the Target steerpoint, the one immediately after the IP. Lock your A2G radar in steerpoint mode then use the F9 key to magnify the image to as big as you want (I normally bump up the magnification to DBS2).

If you're using LGBs you can identify the precise building/structure on the screen.

If you're after the enemy troops/tanks, then you will not be able to identify a target as say the enemy 1st Armoured Bde which you're supposed to attack. You'll have to rely on JSTARS or FAC (using AWACS comms menu) for a vectopr to target, or just attack any enemy troops that look like it could be the target.

Hope this helps. If you could be more precise then I think we can help you out more.

Reacting against IR missiles - don't be in a position to get one launched at you in the first place! Padlock, flares and out-turn the missile (put in on your beam, try to make the missile use up it's energy especially if the motor's burned out).

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Originally posted by Jeroen rep:
P.S. how can you react against IR missiles, do you have to get a visual on them or is there an other way??

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Yeah, there are several other ways. The one I seem to use most often is:

1. After pickling bombs, roll left and right while panning your view as far back as you can on either side. What you are trying to do here is visually aquire them as soon as they are launched.

2. Since #1 never works, you will be looking back over your shoulder on one side or the other when you hear your wingman sam "SAM launch, blah blah blah"

3. Spend several frantic and precious moments trying to switch your view around to see the missile. Realizing that death is only seconds away, I panic and reach for the chaff and flare keys.

4. Due to extreme spacial disorentation, I insted knock over the glass of diet Mountain Dew sitting beside the keyboard, spilling half of it on the keyboard, and half in my lap.

5. If the missile still hasn't hit me by this time, I begin pumping out flares, only now from a standing position.

6. Finally, having failed in every other way, I make one last, valiant gesture, and save my wingman's life by quickly steering my jet directly in front of the missile, "taking the bullet for him", sort of like a secret service agent does when somebody shoots at the president.

7.Eject

I know it sounds complicated, but it really seems a lot easier as it happens. With a little practice, it just sort of "flows".

"only now from a standing position" ---cracked me up. I immediately got a vision of you in a panic -- jerking up into a standing position and knocking your chair backwards when you did!!! I will be laughing at that scene for a couple of days.

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Originally posted by Jeroen rep:

P.S. how can you react against IR missiles, do you have to get a visual on them or is there an other way??

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Hi.

I find that the most effective way to avoid a IR missile once it has been lauched at you is to go against your intuition and PULL THE THROTTLE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO IDLE AND LAUNCH ABOUT 3-5 FLARES RAPIDLY.

F4 actually calculated the throttle position (new patch calculates the actual temperature), and uses that to determine if an IR missile will be accurate or will fall for flare decoys.

I find that this works about 30% of the time, which is better than 0% if you keep the throttle in afterburner, like most people do.

Hope this helps.
Juggernaut

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Originally posted by Juggernaut:
Hi.

I find that the most effective way to avoid a IR missile once it has been lauched at you is to go against your intuition and PULL THE THROTTLE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO IDLE AND LAUNCH ABOUT 3-5 FLARES RAPIDLY.

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now what if the person is low on energy ? cutting the throttle will make the plane like a sitting duck .. no energy left to do some defensive flying .. and in severe case the last thing one would wish to have at such moment i.e. stall ! DUH!!!

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F4 actually calculated the throttle position (new patch calculates the actual temperature), and uses that to determine if an IR missile will be accurate or will fall for flare decoys.

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so does that means that IR missle wont hit if you just cut the thorttle and just stay there without even pumping flares ?

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Originally posted by iCeb0mB:
now what if the person is low on energy ? cutting the throttle will make the plane like a sitting duck...

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so does that means that IR missle wont hit if you just cut the thorttle and just stay there without even pumping flares ?

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If you don't drop flares, the IR heat-seeker in the missile's head will continue to look for the hottest, or "brightest" target it can see within its field of view. If you only chop the throttle, and do not drop flares, your exhaust will still be the hottest thing it detects in front of it, and I *think* it will continue to track you. If you drop several flares while trying to turn your aircraft away from the missile, you may be able to cause it to track the flares instead. But it is hard to do under any circumstances.