My 10.4 kill ratio comes from fighting whoever ..i think i lost two hurricanes to you guys last night because of the alt adv and because your good pilots..i also downed ten because some of the jzg guys i flew against kept spinning the 110 and dindt fly it correctly

quoting my kill stats as basis for wether an aircraft is better than another is bollocks and you know it...so why do you do it?

I cant help it if your allies cant fly the plane like they should...but i know this ..when you get two good pilots in each of these aircraft the one that has the option too climb away or just simply run away wins....ive had jg26 guys just bug out after they loose one pilot...simply put if they decide to go home i cant catch em. we in the hurricane simply dont have that option. And you know it as well as i do in 95% of the games the 110 will sart with an alt and speed adv..and history tells us that these two things win battles..so do the stats from the war..i know llv34 knows how to fly the german planes (so do i..in fact we go to war with 8th soon as the germans)- and how many fights has llv34 lost ..surely you dont cliam to be that much superior..surely you must think that the alt and speed adv of your planes is helping you a bit ..maybe you consider the 109 vs hurricane in week 4 to be even as well?

Saying all of that ..i am doing my best to fly with anyone and everyone and i flew 13 missions last night..er i think

Sorry to butt in here but this topic is intriging me. I have been offline for abit and unable to fly online, but am i missing a grand war or something? I read coolhand's post about no Luftwaffe fliegers wanting to fly the Me110 against Hurris. I for one know of several Me110 riders who are willing to knock down Hurris.

Once again sorry for the interruption but this is very interesting.

S!

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Oberst K. von Hess
I/JG52 Gruppen Kommandeur

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"Fas est et ab hoste doceri"
It's proper to learn even from an enemy - Ovid

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i know your 110 jocks would be in on it ..who wouldnt ..join up at JZG23 site and get in fast ..i for one miss you and wondered where the hell you guys were!

ill post JZG url for ya
http://www.eaw-db.de/

Thanks bro, I know von M has been wanting to fly that "Coffin" for sometime.. wondering if he is up for some practice of a "Defensive Circle" HAHAHAH

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Oberst K. von Hess
I/JG52 Gruppen Kommandeur

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"Fas est et ab hoste doceri"
It's proper to learn even from an enemy - Ovid

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You missed my point. In my opinion 110 (at least for me) has the advantage over Hurricane. But the same way as 109 needs a careful pilot, so does 110. Only one mistake and Spit or Hurricane is in the six and after one ping the engine is smoking.

My point is that your talk about how boring it is to fly in disadvantage. You score more kills than you lose. The Allied are clearly leading the war even though the era offers Axis the advantage. What on earth can be so boring in being victorious now????

Will you consider the situation less boring inthe coming weeks when the Allied have the advantage and when you score even more kills???

I bet that many Axis pilots who lose to you find your comments at least slightly offensive.

.. really think about it. Is there anything better than being emerging victorious from disadvantage. Or is there anything worse than winning and leading a war and still complaining how unfair it is?

Yours,
LLv34_Blaukreuz

Good luck anyway guys

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C/O, Jagdgeschwader 5 'Eismeer'

you should join up we could use more skilled german pilots .

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C/O, Jagdgeschwader 5 'Eismeer'

I'm sure the arguements that seem to be going on of late would not be so if ECAO was being used. It at least brings some parity into the whole mix, whereas EAW 1.2 does not, as it's a bit of a hack

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C/O, Jagdgeschwader 5 'Eismeer'

If "we all know EAW 1.2 is a dog" why is it the only FM used on the Zone? With the exception of an ECAO game here and there - and no Panel games at all - Zone flyers overwhelmingly use 1.2

And if, as JG5_Jerry asserts, ECAO "at least brings some parity into the whole mix" isn't it true then that ECAO does more for game balance than historical accuracy???

Don't get me wrong here, I like flying a Fw 190A that is a winner (ECAO)...

The only explanation I would offer why v1.2 is dominant on the Zone is because everyone has it. Not everyone has or
uses ECA or ECAO. Everyone that does have ECA or ECAO MUST have v1.2 installed first. I would hazard to guess that
less than half the world flying EAW has bothered to, or nervous about, upgrading beyond v1.2.

What convinced me to encourage others to update beyond v1.2 was the head-to-head matches my cousin and I would have.
Our favourite combination was Emil vs Mk1a, and sharing/switching both sides equally (both of us are 109 nuts ).
When we were using v1.2 the Spit would typically win a 12:5 ratio (I even got wupped 12:1 once). Then I discovered
ECAO 1.31. The typical ratio was a 12:10 ratio for the Spit. A major improvement.

BTW in the real BoB ratio, if memory serves, was 5:4 for the Emil.

However, v1.2 still has value for newbies. If they stay to flying Spits, they can have fun with it, learning the
game and trying out all the skins, terrains etc.

Thats why I'm working on what I hope will be a fairly simple add-on in the EOW project to provide more, limited, historical match-ups in a definite time period so there will be less chance of miss-matched files.

Even in EAW 1.2 Emil can control the fight vs Spit1 if flown carefully and with BnZ tactics. In experinces hands Emil kills the Spit more often than the other way around.

What I meant was that ECAO is better at reflecting the real-world, historical numbers with regards to performance than EAW 1.2 does. That's why there's more parity - it gives the US and German planes a bit more capability, and sorts out the Tempest (which in EAW 1.2 is very tricky to stall and flies around a bit like an X-wing, which is great fun). IMHO, it makes EAW alot more playable too, and I would hazard a guess that it's use in a war would temper some of the acrimony that exists with EAW 1.2

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C/O, Jagdgeschwader 5 'Eismeer'

Well I said I love the 109 but didn't say I was any good at it .

What I was getting at was the major improvement over v1.2. The most important to me was the stall charactoristics. I've got thousands of hours on sims and read quite abit about all the a/c modelled. v1.2 just felt all wrong. At mid to low speeds the 109 was stall charactorisics are supposed to be marvellous. Granted, the 109 is difficult to master, but not THAT difficult.