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STB
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posted 10-25-2000 04:42 AM     Profile for STB   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Hi guys,

Playing EAW for about a month now, after playing RB2 for a year or so.

Great game, I understand why all you guys stick with the game. I'm hooked myself now.

One thing has cought my attention, and that is the matter of convergance (I hope that's the word, I've heard it on The Discovery Channel), or better, the lack of it.

All the guns use to be aimed (historically)at one point approx. 600 meters in front of the aircraft to get a point of maximum damage.

Most pilots changed it to 250 meters (after HQ gave them permission). Personally I like to set it at 150 meters or lower, but thats a matter of taste I think.

Yesterday I found out that there's a zoom button (num +) in the visor. Great option, works great with aiming at stable flying planes such as bommers. Programmed it right away in my F22.

Using this option, I noted that EAW has no convergance whatsoever, it's even possible to aim straight at the rudder of a HE111 at a distance of 600 meters, and when you shoot the bullits don't hit the rudder, but both the engines (leftwing mg's are hitting the left engine and vice versa) and my suspicion about the lack of conversion were confirmed.

Not bad either, (killing both engines) but I like to see some convergance (if possible that is). It's possible to aim with one side of the wing, but that's (in my opinion) a total waste of the bullits from the other wing and we all know bullits are a scarce commodity with unlimmited ammo off.

I like to aim at the cockpit and like to be showered with blood-stained glass as a result, not with seeing bullits hitting the wings, especcially with figters.

I hear a lot of historical accuracy, but EAW is seriously lacking this part in my opinion

You guys probably had this discussion before, but I (and maybe other newbees)like to know if someone can 'program' this in a update or is planning to do so.


Regards from the cold and wet and windy Netherlands.

STB

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area of the sky, and shoot down any enemy
fighters in that area. Anything else is rubbish."
Baron Manfred von Richthofen, 1917


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stans
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posted 10-25-2000 04:51 AM     Profile for stans   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
From what I understand, convergence is hard coded into EAW. Changing it is not possible, at least, not at this time.
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STB
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posted 10-25-2000 05:01 AM     Profile for STB   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Duh.

I guess we've got to aim with one wing than when shooting at a target that's closer than 150 meters.

Regards

STB

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- "The duty of the fighter pilot is to patrol his
area of the sky, and shoot down any enemy
fighters in that area. Anything else is rubbish."
Baron Manfred von Richthofen, 1917


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Slapphead
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posted 10-25-2000 05:05 AM     Profile for Slapphead   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Very good point STB,

I also find it a total waste of bullets with the current setup...

Shame if this is true Stans


S!


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wulf_pilot
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posted 10-25-2000 06:53 AM     Profile for wulf_pilot   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
With all these new sims coming out like IL-2 BoB and B-17II you wonder if they remembered to put this stuff in with all the graphical glamor. So far i only know of two current games that allow convergence settings. they are Warbirds and Aces High. i remember Aces over Europe used to model it and it used to drive me nuts althouhg i dont remember if you could change it up or not
its a nice thing to tinker around with especially if you like getting in closer for the shot like myself

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jbunnelle
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posted 10-25-2000 08:03 AM     Profile for jbunnelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
There's another librarian here??!! Damn, I thought I ruled supreme as EAW librarian.
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IKEN
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posted 10-25-2000 08:10 AM     Profile for IKEN   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
shouldn't it be 600FT. instead of 600 meters.
'cause 600ft is 150meters aprox.i have also
read that the outer guns (if you had any )
was aimed at 250m.
still.. it would be nice to be able to change
the spread of the bullets.

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Capt A R Brown
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posted 10-25-2000 08:13 AM     Profile for Capt A R Brown   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
German a/c are better as there armament is on the centreline. Yes it would be nice to have for wing mounted arms.

Am including 2 charts, the 1st one is for the FW190a8 and the 2cd one for the FW190a8/R1. Note the /R1 converges at 800m not 400m and the various arcs of the shells.

For general reference:


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Alatriste
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posted 10-25-2000 11:06 AM     Profile for Alatriste   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
This is what I call a good post. I just love first hand data!
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PapaRomeo
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posted 10-25-2000 11:29 AM     Profile for PapaRomeo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
S! Capt Brown!

Where did you get that diagram of the Revi 16B? Do you have anything similar for other sights?

I'd love to add that image to my website. Any objections?

PR


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Capt A R Brown
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posted 10-25-2000 02:39 PM     Profile for Capt A R Brown   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
PapaRomeo, might have some others , so will check. If you want the 16b sighting image and 2 iso views I can scan them. The data was taken from 'FW190 a-8 Aircraft Handbook' Valkyrie Publications, Technical Manual Series #1 - 1974. ISBN 0-88992-000-1. The other two books which has some of the preceeding in them are Japanese so you would need a translater but have lots of photos and diagrams/drawings as well as color chips. They are #316 for the FW190a/f/g and #336 for the FW190d/Ta152. Also #401 is the P-51B/D, #387 is the Spitfire Mk14?, #367 is the Me262. You should also check the 'Aero detail series- #2 is the FW 190D. PR, you can do what you want with all but remember it has a copyright attached.

ps. this is the cover of #316, maybe somebody regognizes it.

[This message has been edited by Capt A R Brown (edited 10-25-2000).]


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