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Stanley99
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posted 10-05-2000 11:36 PM     Profile for Stanley99     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post

Title says it all, found this picture, but no additional info about the plane, Squadron, theatre, etc...

Anyone knows more? Any help appreciated, I want to talk Mosi into doing this Spitfire for me...

Thanks!

Stan

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'Tis but a scratch. Your arm's off!!! No it isn't
Look, you stupid bastard, you've got no arms left. Yes I have. Look! Just a flesh wound.

[This message has been edited by Stanley99 (edited 10-06-2000).]


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Majesty5
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posted 10-05-2000 11:54 PM     Profile for Majesty5   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Ah...! Ahh, oh damn... My copy of "Spitfire in Action" is on the floor of my room in Massachusetts 1500 miles away, I was just reaching for it... I'll have to go from memory then... (Stupid long distances. Can't wait to move back home in 6 mos.)

Theater is the Pacific, it's a Kiwi Spitfire, looks like Mk. VII or later. Pilot is either a Squadron commander or a Wing commander (forgot all the details on those purple pennants like you see on the cowling) and the Ace of Spades on the tail was the marking of a very specific, and well-known, Kiwi squadron in the Pacific. That's why I'm wishing for my Spit In Action, there's a photo in there somewhere of three or four planes from this squadron in formation, and the caption said they were easily recognizable because of the Ace of Spades on the tail, exactly as you see there. Of course, that's only useful if one can remember the Squadron #. DOH


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Hussar
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posted 10-05-2000 11:57 PM     Profile for Hussar   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
What picture Stan, all I'm getting is a xoom.com graphic ??
Dont think the Kiwis had spits maybe an RAAF ?

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Majesty5
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posted 10-06-2000 12:01 AM     Profile for Majesty5   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Well, I couldn't find details, but I did find the site for the "NZFPM"

http://www.nzfpm.co.nz/welcome/welcome.htm


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Mosi
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posted 10-06-2000 12:03 AM     Profile for Mosi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
If I am right, then those kill-marks are Luftwaffe, or am I missing something? Strange.

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Majesty5
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posted 10-06-2000 12:05 AM     Profile for Majesty5   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Aaack! Now I'm not sure. I thought the Ace of Spades thing was a distinguishing mark for a NZ squadron... It could well be RAAF though! Judging by the roundels, I thought it was NZ.

The site I found lists a NZ "485 Squadron" with Spitfires, and it sounds like they were in England... Maybe it is 485 Squadron.

In any case, I guess the theater isn't Pacific, but the picture at home in the book, I'm pretty sure was captioned that way.

[This message has been edited by Majesty5 (edited 10-06-2000).]


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Hussar
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posted 10-06-2000 12:05 AM     Profile for Hussar   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Mosi are you getting a picture??
Yes 485 was based in England.

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Stanley99
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posted 10-06-2000 12:09 AM     Profile for Stanley99     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Darn, I can see the picture. Hang on guys...

(thanks Mosi )

Your Majesty I am sorry, but it's a RAAF Spitfire. The RNZAF received their planes from the US, that's why they flew Kittyhawks, Avengers, Dauntless', Catalinas, Corsairs, Venturas ...


Stan

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'Tis but a scratch. Your arm's off!!! No it isn't
Look, you stupid bastard, you've got no arms left. Yes I have. Look! Just a flesh wound.


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Mosi
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posted 10-06-2000 12:10 AM     Profile for Mosi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Hussar, I got it directly from Stanley99 .

I will do it, I guess, ok. Oh man, so this will be my next skins:

1.: Capt. Brown's "Eye 109G" (quite near to finish)
2.: Stanley's Spit
3.: Turtle's 109

But only if I get the info I need, I can't promise too much, ok?

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Hussar
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posted 10-06-2000 12:12 AM     Profile for Hussar   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
That is Clive "Killer" Caldwells plane RAAF.
I have lots of info on him if you want it. RAAF's leading scorer. (28 I think).

More... Group Captain Clive Caldwell, DSO,DFC,and bar, Polish cross of valor.
28.5 kills.
Died Aug 1994.
Whilst at Morotai he was part of the "Morotai Mutiny". Long story I wont bore you......

[This message has been edited by Hussar (edited 10-06-2000).]

[This message has been edited by Hussar (edited 10-06-2000).]


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posted 10-06-2000 12:13 AM     Profile for RedEyes   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Mosi your gonna love that Spit! It was flown by Clive Caldwell! Those are German, Italian and Japanese kill markings! It is a Mk VIII. Caldwell was a Group Captain at the time, Number 80 Squadron, RAAF, based at Morotai during the Summer of 1945. He of course managed to destroy 27 aircraft, but none with this one. His kills were all while flying Tomahawks and Kittyhawks in North Africa and Spitfire Mk V's out of Darwin.
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Stanley99
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posted 10-06-2000 12:20 AM     Profile for Stanley99     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Now that was fast, thank you all! Seems Clive Caldwell was pretty busy everywhere, at first I thought because of the white bands it's a plane from the SEAC early 42' - Morotai is an island between New Guinea and the Philippines, 45' you say? I though the SEAC was disbanded after Indonesia was lost - or am I wrong about the white bands...

Hussar, interesting info, do you have more for me?

And thanks, Mosi for doing the skin!


Stan

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'Tis but a scratch. Your arm's off!!! No it isn't
Look, you stupid bastard, you've got no arms left. Yes I have. Look! Just a flesh wound.

[This message has been edited by Stanley99 (edited 10-06-2000).]


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Hussar
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posted 10-06-2000 12:53 AM     Profile for Hussar   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
OK So I will bore you..
Caldwell was described by a contemporary as a "fast talking, quick acting man with an exuberant confidence", He was not just a superlative fighter pilot, he was, at times a fierce critic of RAAF aircraft and Battle tactics. On one occasion he wrote a devastating criticism of the Australian built Boomerang. This aircraft, he reported. woul probably operate in a fashion contrary to its name: it was unlikely to return if it ever met an enemy.
Caldwell was involved in what became known as the "Morotai Mutiny" in which he was among those opposed to air operations from Morotai to Tarakan. He argued that the RAAF could lose an entire fighter wing in such a plan with little to be gained.
He didnt stay in the RAAF after the war (they were probably glad to get rid of him) but established an Import/Export business in Sydney. He didnt fly for a hobby, as friends said he didnt particularly like it, he was just extraordinarily good at it,
He died Aug 1994.
My sort of guy, wished I had known him....
Hussar.

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Stanley99
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posted 10-06-2000 12:59 AM     Profile for Stanley99     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Thanks again, Hussar!


Stan

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'Tis but a scratch. Your arm's off!!! No it isn't
Look, you stupid bastard, you've got no arms left. Yes I have. Look! Just a flesh wound.


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Mosi
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posted 10-06-2000 02:14 AM     Profile for Mosi   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Cool! Caldwell, a multi-front ace, now I am forced to do this plane.

As we speak from Caldwell, here a plane I do at the moment . It's quite finished, but I have to wait with the release:

Caldwell's Kitty Mk I from 1941 in Africa.

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"Do first the necessary, then the possible, and suddenly you reach the impossible" Franz of Assisi

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[This message has been edited by Mosi (edited 10-06-2000).]


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Capt A R Brown
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posted 10-06-2000 03:59 AM     Profile for Capt A R Brown   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Stanley99, the 'A' in the serial num. is a good way to tell it is an Aussie plane.
It is a Spitfire HF VIII from the block of A58-300 to 550.

Mosi, looking forward to your new 109 skin, another great one.

[This message has been edited by Capt A R Brown (edited 10-06-2000).]


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