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Ogdens
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posted 10-05-2000 02:59 PM     Profile for Ogdens   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Or are we not getting to the location fast enough!?

I have tried alt-N and flying real time but I'm lucky to get one in those diver missions in a Typhoon let alone a Spit XIV in single missions..what gives?


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posted 10-05-2000 03:15 PM     Profile for X-MAN     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Here's one! Ok catch it!

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posted 10-05-2000 03:17 PM     Profile for No105_Archie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Hey Og. This one has come up before. I think the buggers are too fast in EAW. I have pictures of guys in Tempests flying alongside the buzz-bombs in order to tip them over. Apparently a Tempest or Typhoon could catch them.

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HarryM
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posted 10-05-2000 03:23 PM     Profile for HarryM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Funny, I've always had good luck catching them. Maybe try flying higher so you'll have more speed to bounce them.
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Ogdens
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posted 10-05-2000 03:34 PM     Profile for Ogdens   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Hey X-Man that's what prompted the question..obviously we armchair pilots are no match for the real ones!
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posted 10-05-2000 03:39 PM     Profile for RinkRat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Ogdens - Usually in EAW they come over in sets of 3. I could never get the first one so always concentrated on the 2 usually coming up behind me. They are a real bear to get but it is possible. Also if you are flying a campaign, this is always a good time to rest your other pilots and go hunting for them on your own.

Good luck


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posted 10-05-2000 04:08 PM     Profile for Tailspin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Its been a while since I've done a "diver" intercept,but it seems like the first wave are indeed flying too fast...like in the upper 400's(mph). Also the following waves are often slower and easier to catch up to. Here is what I've found sucessful...
1. Fly the Tempest!
2. Don't try to follow the first wave...usually(especially if you "Alt-N") you are too late to catch up with them.
3.Try to orbit on-station at around 10,000ft. or so.
4. Some may consider this cheating but consider this...You won't get much help from Ground Control radar stations so I use the target key to scan for oncoming V-1's. Just pretend you are getting updates from radar stations tracking incoming V-1's.
5. When you find one try and time your diving attack to begin just before the V-1 reaches your position...then slam the throttle forward and start a medium shallow dive. Slip in behind.
6. Fire in short bursts...try some "pot-shots" from longer range than you think you should...if you hit the little bugger it will make a BIG bang. Which brings up the next piece of advice...Don't get TOO close!

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[This message has been edited by Tailspin (edited 10-05-2000).]


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Old Guy
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posted 10-05-2000 05:03 PM     Profile for Old Guy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I also haven't done this for awhile, but the 'Tailspin Technique' works pretty well. A time or two I succeeded in getting the first one, but only by climbing higher than usual and making a good guess as to where it would appear.

For what it's worth, the V-1s were also intercepted with souped up Mustangs. They cranked the boost pressure on the supercharger. Lost several planes and a couple of pilots when the engines failed.


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posted 10-05-2000 05:05 PM     Profile for letterboy1   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
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Capt A R Brown
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posted 10-05-2000 05:21 PM     Profile for Capt A R Brown   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
In real life a diving attack was used.

There was 11 (eleven) V1 aces with 20 or more kills. The top ace had 60 1/3 - S/L J. Berry, DFC and he flew a Tempest.

At the altitude they came over, low (5000' or less), most contemperary aircraft could not catch them without a diving attack as their speed is in the 350-425 mph range.

Maybe this is the only 'true' FM in EAW.


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Sulla
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posted 10-05-2000 06:01 PM     Profile for Sulla   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
This is an example:
http://warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/v1.html


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Hussar
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posted 10-05-2000 06:46 PM     Profile for Hussar   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
The listed top speed of a V1 was 420mph. You should be able to catch one in a Tempest 435mph or a Spitfire XIV 448mph. Assumeing RAF only.
Wether some of the so called realistic FM's going around will let you is another matter.

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Sulla
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posted 10-05-2000 07:06 PM     Profile for Sulla   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Problem though Hussar. The max speed of a MkXIV is 448mph at 26,000’and for the Tempest the 435 is at 17,000’.
The V1 usually comes in at about 5,000’. The Tempest max speed at 4,600’ is only 416mph. The Mk XIV does 417mph at 12,000’, so I would think at 5,000’ it’s slower still.

If the V1 is coming in at 420mph at 5,000’ we have a problem.


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posted 10-05-2000 07:09 PM     Profile for Rjel   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Ogden,
The only success I've had is using a diving pursuit curve attack. The trouble is you usually don't get the first one this way. And the AI pilots don't seem to be of any help, even if a second group is between the target and the incoming V1.
Best regards,
rjel

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Geo'
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posted 10-05-2000 07:27 PM     Profile for Geo'   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
An easy solution - use the P80
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Hussar
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posted 10-05-2000 07:45 PM     Profile for Hussar   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Good point Sulla, I stand corrected.
The Tempest pilots did catch them in stern chases though, I remember reading that they learnt not to do that as the consequent blow up usually blew back on them. Then there are the guys that flew alongside and tipped them over with their wingtips.
Maybe the top quoted speed of the V1 was not often reached, They were crudely built after all as were most German aircraft of the time.
There goes my "red rag to a bull" again....

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Capt A R Brown
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posted 10-05-2000 07:52 PM     Profile for Capt A R Brown   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Geo, what should be used is the Gloucester Meteor which was what it was used for. Right on Sulla, people tend to forget that max speed is at a specific altitude and is not consistent from sl to sevice ceiling. If plotted it is a curve that starts low, increases to a max and then decreases.


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posted 10-05-2000 08:02 PM     Profile for Ajax   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Roger, I've tried using the Meteor against buzz bombs...much better (though it's a lot slower than the P-80 ) At least it's a more realistic setup.

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Tailspin
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posted 10-05-2000 09:08 PM     Profile for Tailspin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I think a diving attack is pretty much essential in EAW. I was hanging out at Books-a-Million earlier tonight(in the WWII history section,of course ) and thought I'd check up on the V-1. A Janes reference listed the top speed between 390 and 420 mph. However another reference book listed the top speed at 550mph! I think the 2nd is way too fast...as I thought before it was between 400 and 450mph. At 3000 to 5000ft. 420mph is faster than most WWII piston engined fighters could fly in level flight.
BTW...I picked up a book Flying Aces...Avation Art of WWII its got some very nice artwork of WWII ace's aircraft of all nationalities.

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