Auger80 (obviously to me a total mental case, and outright liar) is thumbing his nose at the real guys, and you are a schmuck if you continue to post accolades to a liar.

Auger80, for what you are doing here... it's criminal, and detracts from the honest men, and their loyal service.

Go play your game, and stop this crap, it's not even funny, and think about Nov. 11th when you do.

What the hell are you talking about?

Genuinely puzzled,

Ok, I noticed you are *all* new here (nov 2000) I don't take lies very well...

Well, off to drive around the vard with Nancy, have a good day, tell Elvis I said hi...

****BACK OFF*****

I do not know this man personally but In the country I live in I still believe in "Inocent Until Proven Guilty". Where is YOUR proof that he is lying.

I still remember reading in the into to "Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo" where Ted Lawson mentions that one time either at a re-union or at the Smithsonian, while he was perusing an exhibit on the Tokyo Raid, a you kid came up to him, noticed his missing leg and thinking that his condition would have prevented him from participating in the war asked scornfully "Hmmph, and what did YOU do in that war?"

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Originally posted by kverdon:
Pasha,

****BACK OFF*****

I do not know this man personally but In the country I live in I still believe in "Inocent Until Proven Guilty". Where is YOUR proof that he is lying.

I still remember reading in the into to "Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo" where Ted Lawson mentions that one time either at a re-union or at the Smithsonian, while he was perusing an exhibit on the Tokyo Raid, a you kid came up to him, noticed his missing leg and thinking that his condition would have prevented him from participating in the war asked scornfully "Hmmph, and what did YOU do in that war?"

Kevin

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So what did he do in the war if he had a wooden leg?

Hengist.

I've been coming to this forum for a couple of years now. Since long before they switched over to this "new" forum format. I just haven't had anything contructive to say for a while. That's one assumption you have wrong, and you're probably wrong about Auger80.

Why are you so nasty and negative anyway? Lighten up. Even if Auger80 is actually a nine-year-old goth chick, he tells some good stories and you might learn something.

Drew, I contest that you are a goth chick...

But, never the less, I am gonna take this man to the shed.

"So what did he do in the war if he had a wooden leg?"

I'm assuming you're kidding but in case you or other's aren't sure of what I'm refering to. The point was that he lost his leg during the war.

Ted Lawson was a B-25 pilot on the Dolittle Raid. After bombing Japan, they ran out of gas and he had to crash-land his plane on the coast of China. He wound up exiting the aircraft at a rather high velocity THRU the front windscreen and as he did so he caught his leg on the bracket for his headphones. It ripped his leg open from thigh to knee (IIRC) and it had to amputated in a village in China.

Kevin

Rome was not built in a day.. it was built in two hours..

(dunno what it means, but it's all I have... -sniff-)

Another thing, I shouldn't have forgoten the for the Goth/Drew reply, as I was of course, joking..

I know he is really not goth..

I know many aviators from WW2, myself, and thus far I've not seen or heard anything from "auger80" that convinces me he's a liar. Maybe I'm not suspicious enough of things like that, I've not experienced people willing to lie in whole cloth about things like wartime service.

For all I feel you're a bit quick on the trigger here, if you turn out to be right I'll be as p*ssed as anyone.

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Seriously, Pasha, I respect your honoring veterans, and I can understand your skepticism, but maybe you could have handled this better.

For instance, express your doubts to the person you're doubting privately. Establish his credentials to your satisfaction or prove to your satisfaction that he's a faker. THEN post your findings here if you feel you have to.

In the meantime, your accusations may well have scared off a real vet, which is not the best way to show respect, no?

-Drew

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I think it's kind of a cool idea that a persona like Auger80 would be posting here.

Don't forget....Flight Sims are just make-believe planes with with fairly good representations of the elements of the "real deal" and I don't want too many intrusions of "reality" reminding me that I am not really a fighter ace after all...

So perhaps finding a solution to getting rid of the yellow brackets would be a better expendature of energy than attacking the integrity of a fellow forum member.....

Time has a way of sorting these things out all by themselves...

Works great!

I also won't be swayed by your post Beery, I think I get the drift on your problem.

I'm not going to stand for it.

Period. <-- notice the period.

You actually posted a civil response in Drift Factors thread about his dad and the wells flight model. Whats the deal?
(posted this in the wrong thread...apologies)
http://www.combatsim.com/ubb/Forum62/HTML/000978.html

That doesn't have anything to do with what I've said here.

I challenge people who just show up, and claim to be a WWII pilot, on the internet, on a message board, anywhere, and don't want to give any credentials, real, or not.

I've seen it all, ex-Luftwaffe pilots on AOL, people claiming to be guys that have been dead for a decade... the whole gamut.

I challenged him, and I still don't see any real proof, and their doesn't seem to be alot of information falling out of the sky..

I come here to talk about a game... when someone shows up without anymore than a couple of anecdotal stories that anyone could read about... well..

I could just go hang out on alt.fishing.one.that.got.away..

(shrug)

If I were a WWII veteran, and someone questioned your service, wouldn't I defend my service record to the upmost? All Auger has to do is simply state some facts or records that only he could know and the problem would blow over.

Yet, Auger does not reply, granted, it might be because he feels he has worn out his welcome. But, it is kinda strange.......

I for one am inclined to give Auger80 the benefit of the doubt. It is only civilized and proper to do so. If he is an imposter, then he only dishonors himself. Not my problem. I was entertained by his story and so lost nothing by believing it.

Also I have heard many older people pick up on sayings that are currently in use Hunedog, old doesn't mean dead and it surely doesn't mean you stop learning new things. Hell I pick up on clever sayings the kids are using now, not that there are that many.

Pasha's attack on Auger80 is extremely bad form. Shame on you Pasha, you might be mistaken, and if so, have damaged this forum permanently. What if Auger80 really IS a vet and by your attack you convince him that he shouldn't share his thoughts with us? That loss would be far greater than him pulling the wool over a few people's eyes if he were an imposter. Think before you act!

Having been on these forums from the beginning, I too have seen it all with respect to imposters passing themselves off as vets.

But I must echo the general feeling of this community that your attack-dog approach against Auger80's authenticity is deplorable.

We all would like to be sure we are speaking to and congratulating a real-deal war hero when one appears on this or any other forum; and we are all outraged when we learn we've been duped by a charlatan. But past experiences does not justify your slanderous accusations impugning this man's reputation.

Here's what I suggest: continue to be outraged if you wish, and continue to try and authenticate this individual's credentials, but if you slander this man one more time without proof (and isn't it proof from this man you so vehemently demand?) then I will have no other choice but to ban you from this forum.

- Her Royal Highness the Mum Queen of England

Go ahead and ban me from the forum, and then I'll just wait til I have all my proof together, and I expect you to reinstate my member status.

He really isn't who he says, and I do have some proof, but I am waiting for a return letter from the 475th.org on the real man.

I'm right, and I know it.

Goodbye, for now.

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Originally posted by Admin:
Pasha,

But I must echo the general feeling of this community that your attack-dog approach against Auger80's authenticity is deplorable.

We all would like to be sure we are speaking to and congratulating a real-deal war hero when one appears on this or any other forum; and we are all outraged when we learn we've been duped by a charlatan. But past experiences does not justify your slanderous accusations impugning this man's reputation.

if you slander this man one more time without proof then I will have no other choice but to ban you from this forum.

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Howdy Cupcake...remember me? I see your UBB Nazi tactics haven't changed...

Just curious...at what level is the line drawn...

When someone claims they are a Veteran WWII pilot with these wonderful stories but just can't seem to be a little more detailed with who they are...

Or maybe when someone claiming to be that pilots son and berating people for questioning him...

Or possibly later on when the supposed son announces his hero fathers passing and asks for everyones prayers for him and his family...

Or maybe it's drawn when this same "son of a hero" makes an announcement that a fund to save starving children has been started in his fathers honor and you can send your checks to...blah blah blah...

Seen it...several times as a matter of fact, and I know for a fact that Pasha was one of the people that was duped by one of these scumbags...

I'm not saying this is the case here (although after reading most of the posts I would definately consider it false), but even if it isn't...Pasha has every right to question it without being called slanderous.

I would expect that if it's proven that this gentlemens story is in fact false. Then you will be the first person to get on your carpet burned kneecaps and plant a nice big wet kiss on Pasha's 6!

Good day...cupcake.

Ps.

So who spelled his name wrong...was it Trist(i)an or the guy that did the 475ths website?

You honor me.

Admin got it right. If you're in the process of investigating this, then what on Earth is the point of castigating this person before you know the facts? Unless you have proof that the guy is an imposter, you should keep quiet until you can prove that he is. What if you're wrong? If you care about vets, then surely you must see that it's not fair to castigate the guy until you know for sure that he's an imposter. After all, you have admitted that you have to prove this... so why run the risk of slandering an innocent person?

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Originally posted by JT:
Pasha,

Admin got it right. If you're in the process of investigating this, then what on Earth is the point of castigating this person before you know the facts? Unless you have proof that the guy is an imposter, you should keep quiet until you can prove that he is. What if you're wrong? If you care about vets, then surely you must see that it's not fair to castigate the guy until you know for sure that he's an imposter. After all, you have admitted that you have to prove this... so why run the risk of slandering an innocent person?

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In order to prevent history from repeating itself...

Iam not siding with pasha in this but I can sure understand him.

Hengist.

What earthly difference does it make? It doesn't matter if the guy is telling the truth or not. The fact is, he wrote an entertaining story. That's all. This badgering has gone waaaay too far - it's not just a matter of questioning his veracity - this is out and out McCarthyism. If the guy had shown any signs of doing it for nefarious purposes, I might not be so appalled, but this $h!t started simply because some guy posted a story. For goodness sake, these are human beings you folks are maligning! If you had met this person, you'd never treat him this way. In civilized society we treat people as we would like to be treated, and we don't judge people to be guilty before we know the facts. I don't know what uncivilized society some folks here were raised in, but I hope I never have the misfortune to go there.