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Biggs
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posted 12-17-2001 07:15 AM     Profile for Biggs   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Having looked at the threads on various boards and the various argument for and against+ a couple of .TRK's....Just wondering what everyone thinks ? Is it now considered an 'Uber' plane?

Wether flying or fighting it, it seems to have its strengths and weaknesses, perhaps it has to do with you're own personal 'style' of flying and what given situation is...

At the w/e I as trying my hand at fighting it with the 109-f2, found that I stood no chance of keeping up with it,in terms of straight speed, though found that I could easily out manuver it....

Anyway...What do you all think ?

Biggs

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Rodger Bilko
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posted 12-17-2001 08:35 AM     Profile for Rodger Bilko   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
S! Biggsy,

I'm totally unqualified, hopeless at judging flight models, terrible at flying and just an allround dog of the skies so my opinion won't stand for much, but when a plane excels others and flies somewhat different to what some data that person has at hand, what makes that person right?

Surely air temps, engine temps, height etc make a difference as well as all other wee thingmies. Aaaaaaaaaaaaand doesn't the fact that most of these crtics have hardly set foot in a passenger plane let alone a prop fighter make any difference?

I try to understand, but isn't there just too many things going on at once to take in a right or a wrong about a COMPUTER GAME's Flight Model.

Bloody hell, I got a headache now : - /

Hey Biggsy, any chance of you getting in a flight with us later?

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Biggs
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posted 12-17-2001 09:23 AM     Profile for Biggs   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Love to Bilkers!

Only problem is I don't have a modem at home...Yet

But I'm planning to have one in January, so I'll have to postpone till then...

As for the La thing, I'm not the expert in flight models, atmospherics either..If you test one plane against the other(in a level playing field, like the QMB), then you're going to see the difference between planes quite noticeably, whereas in a furball/coop a weaker plane could fare well against a stronger one, due to being in the right place, at the right time...if you see what I mean..

IMHO I've not found any of the planes have the 'tie-fighter' syndrome. I think the 2 I'm worst at are the FW and that horrible snake!

But my favs are the Lagg3 and the 109-f2, which are quite compareable in many ways

Just my 2c

Biggs

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Rodger Bilko
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posted 12-17-2001 09:54 AM     Profile for Rodger Bilko   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
No Modem!?!?!?!!?

that's sooo... www.bad link removed

EDIT

In my smartass wisdom I put www. [enter word].com

Like in "The Spy Who Shagged Me"

I checked it out afterwords to find it was a porn site!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry if anyone clicked it. I genuinely did not know

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Jennifer
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posted 12-17-2001 10:15 AM     Profile for Jennifer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I don't think it's "uber". I think it's a great plane, it's great for rookies to fly because you don't need to be particularly skilled to fly it well. But it's not anymore "uber" than a 109-G2

Jennie

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Biggs
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posted 12-17-2001 10:15 AM     Profile for Biggs   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
LMAO!!

Actually Bilkers...Can you reccomend any good ISP's? I'm going to be checking them out soon, would save me a whole pile of hassel. It's going to be a dial up, we won't get cable in our village, 'till the next milenium...Doh!

Cheers,

Biggs

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Biggs
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posted 12-17-2001 10:21 AM     Profile for Biggs   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
oops

Sorry Jen, you must have posted just before me...

I really like the La, don't get me wrong, 'tis a dream to fly, like you say it fab for taking on the 109-G2 +

Like has been said before the La5fn can be beaten, perhaps it's a question of flying style

Biggs

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Rodger Bilko
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posted 12-17-2001 11:59 AM     Profile for Rodger Bilko   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Biggsy,

Try ISP Review

or

Net4Nowt

Here you should find what you're looking for.

I use NTL Cable and I was with their Dial up service which was ok, but that was over a year ago. It didn't cost me anything as I am with NTL. For non-NTL customers their unmetered service was £10 a month. That may have changed.

If I can help anymore yell.

Binky

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Spectre_USA
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posted 12-17-2001 01:07 PM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I felt this would be an opportune place to comment on some things. I don't know about
the FM on these kites, but the AI in single-player absolutely ROCKS! I'm in camapign,
trying to hold off the commie hordes in Stalingrad. An Air bridge is set-up, and the
Yak's and MiG's keep taking runs at it. My flippin' heck! I have never seen an AI that
did so many varied manuvers to dislodge you from their six! Absolutely stunning. And
both the LaGG's and MiG's can sure manuver...

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posted 12-17-2001 01:22 PM     Profile for mane_raptor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Spec........

You want fun????????

Set up a QM against some of those bi-planes with ACE or even VET!!!!!!!!!!!

Man those will do some twisty-turnies on ya. And down low too.

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posted 12-17-2001 03:01 PM     Profile for Gambit21   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah those little bi-planes really make for some fun don't they?
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Tailspin
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posted 12-18-2001 05:22 AM     Profile for Tailspin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey Jen...Siggi ain't talkin' much about the big "challenge" from the other board. All he says was the spiral climb worked against the La 5.

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posted 12-18-2001 09:35 AM     Profile for Jennifer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
There's not a lot to say other than he couldn't catch me when I started climbing.

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posted 12-18-2001 11:40 AM     Profile for Sulla   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have to agree, the AI is different from other sims. Their bag of tricks seems abit bigger, or at least made mine feel smaller. In other sims, if the enemy is at long range and pulling away, or is beginning to fire on the bombers I'm escorting, I'd fire my mg's to "get their attention", and they'd turn back to me. Not so now. The AI ignores me and presses on to what IT wants to do.

My 1st kill in a campaign, which didn't come till my 5th sortie, was an I-153. It started doing an amazingly tight and fast snap rolling series. Just spinning like mad. But I've seen it do that before, so I just picked a spot in it's arch and let the I-153 turn into it. It just fell down like a swatted fly. No smoke or anything, wasn't even sure I hit it, but it fell down. At the same time, my wingman ripped me open, oil all over the place, so I bailed.

Yes the La5FN is an excellent machine. It has about the same hp as the FW190, but lighter, about the same power to weight ratio as the Bf109G. You gotta luv having 2 20mm cannons in the nose. It has the same slats as the 109 giving it good low speed handling and stall charactoristics (like the 109 is supposed to have). It is very rugged, which is typical of radial engined a/c, plus something else, I'm wondering if anyone has noticed, that is typical of all the VVS single engined fighters that's different from ac in the West.

It's the wing planform. All the Soviet design bureau's seemed to bought in to the same philosophy, the highly tapered wing. Some are almost triangular, and short spanned. The root chord (width) to tip chord is on the order of 4:1 or higher, whereas the 109 or Mustang is around 2:1. For a given wing area and aspect ratio (span to chord) this'll get you a very broad wing root chord giving you a light but very strong structure. It'll also get you a very good instantaneous turn, and because the root aerofoil section will be thick, good sustained turn. The vortex generated at the wingtips are small but intense, which has good and bad results. Normally such a planform would give somewhat poor rolling capability, but the Soviets compensated with generous aileron, spanwise, and keeping the wingspan down. Typically they're around 32 to 35 foot spans where in the West, excepting the 109 (32') & 190 (34'), it's mor like 36' (Spit, P51) to 40' (Hawkers, P47) or larger (P38 @ 52').

The reason, I guess, why the Soviets almost universally adopted this design philosophy is probably they never intended their fighters to be heavy lifters (P51, P47) nor high altitude fighters (Bf109), since this design is not well suited for that.

Yes, the VVS is every bit the handful I expected them to be.

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