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beefheart
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posted 02-15-2000 01:29 PM     Profile for beefheart   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I think one of the problems to bad Frps is my Geforce DDR. Another member has my same specs but another 3d card and he can play with better frame rates than me.
My 2 cents

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Gonzo1
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posted 02-15-2000 05:09 PM     Profile for Gonzo1   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I am also experiance poor frame rate with the GeForce 256 DDR from Creative. I get around 9 to 10 FPS just sitting on the runway in the first training mission. I am running on PIII 600Mhz with 384 megs of Ram. I have tried diffrent drivers which have had no effect. Jane's, could you please look into this, it would improve the immersion factor 10 fold.

Regards,

Gonzo


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PinchVF-124
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posted 02-15-2000 07:06 PM     Profile for PinchVF-124   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I too show 10fps sitting on the runway in the first training mission.

System specs

PIII 600 (100mhz)
SCSI-2 (LVD) segate drive
192 mgs ram (100mhz)
SbLive 3.0 (updated)
Geforce DDR by Creative
DirctX 7.0a
ASUS mainboard P2B-S
Swap file size=200

Tried many diff settings in the game and I top out at 12fps in that mission

What I think is going on here is the flight modl is eating up the CPU not the grafx..Dunno 4 sure tho..

Pinch


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Moon Walker
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posted 02-15-2000 08:04 PM     Profile for Moon Walker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I found on one of these threads, I forget where and have been searching for it again with no luck, that a user named Talon upgraded his system and was able to get rid of the choppies even with alot of explosions etc. I believe he said his frame rate doubled on this system, around 40 fps. I wrote down what specs may apply to me for an upgrade. He was using:

128 pc100 ram
Asus P3C2000 MB with 4xAGP support
PIII 650 EB Coppermine
Creative Annihilator Pro DDR

Now I`ve been watching various posts regarding the slide show problems. Alot of systems with various configurations are all having the fps problems. I agree that this game is a CPU hog. I`m also considering that the 4xAGP is starting to show its need. I believe that for the Geforce to be fully optimized, the 4xAGP MB is going to be necessary. I realize this is performance 101 but alot of the systems I`ve seen posted have MB`s that only support 2xAGP. This could be worth considering.

I`m running a PII450, Asus P2B, 256 pc100 ram, TNTIIU & V3 - testing both Vid cards. Both are similar with choppies. I plan on getting the MB that Talon spoke of and enabling the 4xAGP on the TNTIIU to check for a performance increase. If there is none I`ll have to up the cpu. I`ll need that MB anyway for the future upgrade. I will post the results.

In the mean time, I`ve said it before and I`ll say it again. THIS IS A REALLY GREAT SIM....

[This message has been edited by Moon Walker (edited 02-15-2000).]


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Talon
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posted 02-16-2000 08:16 AM     Profile for Talon   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I saw this thread, so figured I would jump in. Before I built my new system, (described correctly before) I had the Geforce DDR card and using similiar specs, ie. PII 450, etc. got crummy FPS...when I tested the card on my new system...it was great....From the different threads I have read...you really need to be using 133mhz FSB, AGP 4X support, good memory and the coppermine processor....I hate saying that, but it seems like reality. My FPS did double.....and the slowdown around a carrier before takeoff is now fine...still slower, but totally acceptable.....also, one last note...make no mistake, this sim is great but it has an optimization issue and IT WILL BE FIXED. give it some time, upgrade your system and I think all will be right with the world soon enough

later

Talon


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Jws
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posted 02-16-2000 06:27 PM     Profile for Jws   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I never seem to have any problems with my system at all. I've built it myself.

Funny - why does it seem so many people run into CTD's and crashes, lockups and slowdowns but I never experience this? Every simulator or game I've bought runs fine on my setup.

P3 500
BX6R2
128MB PC100
13.6GB 7200RPM
CL Annihilator Pro (Geforce DDR for the cave dwellers
SB Live!

Latest drivers for all.

Just thought I'd drop a note. My Geforce runs fine in every game. My system isn't exactly top of the line, but pop in a new CPU and it would be close...BTW would I be able to get by with PC100 for overclocking the 100MHz Coppermines a bit?

-Jws


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Electricity
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posted 02-16-2000 09:04 PM     Profile for Electricity   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"I`m also considering that the 4xAGP is starting to show its need. "

Today's 3D-games are not using by far enough polygons to saturate AGP4x. Currently, the only apps that need AGP4x are professional OpenGL-software that uses very complex 3D-objects with HUGE amounts of triangle data. Tests of Quake3 arena on a 1X, 2X, and 4X AGP bus show 53, 54, and 55fps respectively. Quake3 arena appears to have far more data over the AGP bus than F-18. Flight sims appear to be on the tail end of the need for AGP as much of the processing is with AI, flight dynamics, etc. and not pure graphics like the current first person shooters currently available.

Remember, going from AGP1X to AGP4X on any available chipset (Intel840, AMD750 Irongate, and Apollo KX133) with Quake Arena only yields about a 3% increase in framerate, and that is with framerates at 50+ in 1024X768X32bit color. We're talking F-18 with a comparibly bare graphics environment at 10fps @16bit color. You can do the math and see the AGP1X is more than F-18 requires. Remember, AGP1X can pass exactly twice the data (266MB/sec)that the PCI bus can pass (133MB/sec). That is MegaBYTES, not bits and is far beyond all of our games.

For F-18, it is CPU. For some reason, F4 shows a big increase in framerate with the DDR board (also in the recent DDR article here). The DDR is going to be ahead of our CPU's for some time. Also, the DDR can pump out 5X the traingles that a PIII500Mhz can pump out itself. If you have a DDR, you're in good shape for a while. Seeing that CPU's are slow to improve when compared to the last 18 months of the graphics card, we just have to either wait for a patch or later this year for a faster CPU.

I hope this helps.


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Truro
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posted 02-17-2000 07:12 AM     Profile for Truro   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I agree, the problem might have gone away with a 4x MB for some reason, but it wasn't related to the bandwidth of 4x. Some early athlon/geforce users had to use apg 1x to get the thing to run, but there was no noticable performance drop. The idea of fa18 saturating a 2x agp I think is humorous.

JWS: Sure, you can try the pc100, maybe set the cas to 3 in bios. You'll need the NW bios for the coppermine voltage to be auto detected correctly when you boot.

600e on bx6.2/V3 1024, all options max except cockpit reflections off. Sitting on runway as described above, 13 fps. With cockpit and terrain distance set down to med, 17 fps. Clocked at 774, fps is 18 and 25. That's a big jump for 174 megahertz, a lot more than I would have expected.

[This message has been edited by Truro (edited 02-17-2000).]


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Ron
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posted 02-17-2000 10:22 AM     Profile for Ron   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have been running Prophet 3d Gforce 256 DDR for a couple months now and it does make things run batter amongst other things. Having a P111 system with 133FSB may be one lf the reasons but thats just speculation. Ihave a P111 600EB, 133FSB w/256mhz 133mhz SDRAM - runs F-18 very well.

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