Each has its strong points which will make you happy, and each has its week points, which will obviously will not make you happy.

Flanker is worth buying.

It will offer you a lot of pleasure.

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Originally posted by grmcle:
People have been trying to compare F2 with F4 since they were both on the market together. I have flown both extensively. There is no comparison. It's like apples an oranges. F4 is a decade ahead of F2 with all the realisim patches and addons.

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I'm a newbie to Flanker. I held off buying it for a while because although I liked Flanker 1.0, I found it kind of dry.

The same is true of F2. It has an excellent, super-realistic feel to just about everything. Fantastic flight model (you really bleed spead in this one, much less forgiving than F4) great weapon modeling and very decent graphics. But....

I never know what the hell is going on. No situational awareness, very little interaction with wingmen or awacs, and everything seems to occur in a vacuum. Even the choice of the Crimea as a theatre seems a bit boring. No career record, no pilot management, no medals. You can call this bells and whistles, but it does add a dimension to the game--- staying alive actually means something.

Finally, situational awareness. I never know where the hell anything is or whether I've met my mission requirements. That may change as I get better at it.

To close with a plus, I can't wait to try this thing on line for multiplayer dogfights. And the AI is superb. I've had the most fun so far just going one on one with guns only. Final positive: unlike Has-been, SSI actually supports this. We'll see if this continues.

Let's here other opinions!

WEAK POINTS

I have to admit, while I love Flanker 2.0, I spend much more (10x) stick time these days in my F-16C.

They offer very different experiences. Falcon 4.0 does the best job of putting you in a war. Flanker 2.0 provides a better dogfighting experience.

and not to forget that Flanker has a lot and constant support from makers of the sim.

Oh,,,and hey Mugshot...I have been thinking about getting Falcon 4.0...should I? hehe...See you in formation sir /O.

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Originally posted by Mugshot:
Sorry, pissed off customer,
Your suggestion seems way out of left field. There are numerous other simmers who like flanker2 and many of them have lauded its virtues. Now, I own flanker2 but I dont fly it; nonetheless, I would rather listen to those guys than to you on this issue.

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Originally posted by .:
Please tell me why you buy the game
and don't play it. Is it because you
are so rich that you can throw money
away or you just have it right beside
your PC to look at everytime you shoot
down a SU27 while playing Falcon4 in cheat
mode.

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Uh...Could it be Mugshot slects sims to study, evaluate then decides where he will spend his time based on his likes?

Uh...would it matter to you if Mugshot was rich enough to purchase and set aside a sim?

Hmmm...what if he bought Flanker 2.0 just for the box art? Cheat mode? What mode would that be...do you have a book out on that topic yet,,,[author by...unregistered...]

The way I took his comments was fair and impartial and echos the on going point made in numerous threads. If you don't like a simulation, don't just slam it without stating a ligitmate reason why. I saw nothing offensive about Mugshot's comment, rather a statement to read posts stating either positive or negative feedback, supported by factual information. This is what helps others to form better educated opinions.

Now then, maybe Mugshot could lend you a few bucks...no, scratch that, you can register for free here and quit hidding behind an unregistered name...another indicator of one not to listen to.

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Originally posted by .:
Please tell me why you buy the game
and don't play it. Is it because you
are so rich that you can throw money
away or you just have it right beside
your PC to look at everytime you shoot
down a SU27 while playing Falcon4 in cheat
mode.

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No offense meant "pissed off customer". I am going to assume that you are coming from a good place with your question and attempt to answer you. First, I am not rich (wish I were). Secondly, I consider myself a military flight sim enthusiast and as such try to buy the best flight sims available. The word is that Flanker 2 is one of the best, hence my reason for buying it.
Unfortunately, I don't have the time to fly Flanker2, Janes F/A-18, and the other great sims out there. If I did fly them, I wouldn't have time for my day job, my family, or my other community activities. Thirdly, I fly only Falcon4, and I fly it only once per week with other members of my online squadron. Finally, I don't fly falcon4 in cheat mode.....the squadron that I am a part of (like many other online squadrons around) is strictly for realism.

As I said above, I mean no offense. It is just that your post lacks the objectivity for me or anyone else to make an informed choice.

But some day, I'll unwrap them and give them a good shot. I still collect patches, skins, cockpits etc for them both.

Like that guy said, no comms. It's like old days of F-16 Combat Pilot. Everything is quiet.

You start Flanker, then choose Campaign. You browse to where the campaign file is and double click to start it. Your mission is to escort some flight of cargo a/c. No mission planning.

You start in the air. You cannot choose your weapon loadout and you are alone in this one. You have no communication whatsoever with ANYONE. You select BVR mode turn on the radar and search for any bandits. Like a normal escort you follow your waypoints. Then you get on your radar a bandit!. You lock it and select the weapon you want to use. He's still out of range, so you can't shoot any missile no matter how long you press the pickle button (realistic). When he's in range you get a shoot cue and shoot. What happens next is the usual with current sims. He tries to evade and he's successfull and your a ****** BVRer, you'll get into a turning fight (never like turning fight personally). When you think you've accomplished your mission you CTRL-Q and you get the option to quit or move to next phase. If you want to continue you "campaign" you choose next phase. It doesn't matter if you end it in the air or on the ground.

You then are brought to the mission editing screen for the next mission. YES! MISSION EDITING SCREEN. You get a debrief of what happened. Time x who shot what. Hit or not. Mission success or failure? YOU have to decide that. You can guess it's a success because you get the next phase button.

Now the next mission. You go to the mission menu (like the windows menu) and choose briefing. It tell what your mission is. Again no mission planning. If you want to change the waypoint or loadout you have to declassify the campaign file and edit the mission. No other way. And then you click fly. That''s it.

Now a typical attack mission (single mission, created. But not very challenging. Just to test some things). You browse to the location of the file and load it in the mission editor. Same as the campaign, no waypoint editing no loadout editing. You get a wingman here. Mission is to destroy a hangar at an airbase.

Mission starts on the ground this time. You are on the runway and can take off whenever you are ready. Comm with tower doesn't exist. You take off and your wingman follow suit. He positions himself at your right wing. No "In position" here. You'd like him to close it up. You press the toggle close/far formation and he responds with a "Roger".

You are ingressing at 2000m alt. Then both of you got spiked by a fighter radar. He calls "Spike". You turn on your radar and finds there is a 2-ship formation at your 10, heading your way. You slew the TDC to a blip and lock it, then orders your wingman to "attack my target". He responds with a "Roger". You don't get "Attack my target" audio too.

You select the other blip and lock him up once. Select R-77 (Adder). When he's in range you fire 1. After 5 sec you fire another, just in case he evades the first one. From your radar you can see he's beaming you, trying to make you lose your lock. Heheh, nice try buster! But that's a pair on active missile I just lobbed at ya. Then you see his diving but airspeed decreasing. Hmm a kill. Now where's the wingman. You look and see he's in formation on your right wing. What?? Did he not engage the target I asked him to. Well, he did, and killed that guy. But he doesn't have the ability to communicate more than "Roger" and "Spike/Mud Spike".

Those bandits settled now you are going for the hangar. It's 10km away now. You tell you wingman to "dispatch wingman on mission". You can also tell your wingman to "dispatch wingman on mission and return to base". The difference is after he's done dropping bombs he RTB instead of rejoining you.

Your are now diving at your target. Bomb selecting and walking the CCIP pipper on target. But where is the target? I can see the tarmack but not the hangar. You don't want to make another pass and continue your dive. The hangar must be on the edge of that tarmack. Then suddenly! You can see the hangar. Apparently the pop-up distance for ground objects is so near! Pipper on target and bombs away. Target hit. Time to RTB.

F4 captures the virtual war like no other sim
before it, and perhaps after?

F2 captures the feel of flying a combat jet
like no other.

Both run great on internet, both are great
for dogfighting or COOP missions.

But with Flanker2.5 and its follow ons in the
making, Flanker will continue to evolve and
be supported. Wait till you see the online
refueling for Flanker2.5 with the fuel spray
ing over your nose.

But dont count F4 out with its many many
awesome patches and userware. Only problem
will be that utimately, the user community
cannot put into F4 what is not inherently
there. So F4 will ultimately hit a wall.

I think thats my fairest handling of both
these sims that I enjoy equally.

Now then, maybe Mugshot could lend you a few bucks...no, scratch that, you can register for free here and quit hidding behind an unregistered name...another indicator of one not to listen to.

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Did you read my first post about F2 ? Here it
is again and more : " F2 has no dynamic campaign, empty world, static objects (nothing moves on the ground), high system demand, no communications, no ATC, unbelieveable flight model for AI planes, small playing theater, AG radar is a big joke
........And don't tell me the above points are not true. By the way, i am not hiding
behine anything, just don't feel like give
out personel info on the net.