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Du Doch Nicht
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posted 05-22-2000 08:42 PM     Profile for Du Doch Nicht   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I recently noticed that the price of Falcon 4.0 has dropped quite a bit and even found it for $14.99 at one place. It was tempting to snatch it right away but I thought I'd ask some questions first.

I'm an admitted European Air War addict so my personal bias is toward that type of environment. Pardon my asking questions that have probably been done to death in this forum but......

1) How is the stability/bugs with the latest patches?

2) Can someone give me a brief overview of add-ons available. EAW on my harddrive has had just about everything overhauled including plane skins, terrain, sounds, and flight models. Some of the terrains have been using F4 tiles so I'm guessing that a similar change has taken place in the Falcon 4.0 world.

3) What type of view system is employed. I also fly Janes F-15 (is it safe to say that here?) and wonder if F4 has a similar 2D/3D cockpit option---ie functional buttons in 2D and virtual cockpit in 3D. It sounds petty but I've gotten so used to using a mouse controlled virtual cockpit in EAW and F-15 that it seems awkward to use anything else.

4) My system is not great by todays standards: PII 350, 64meg RAM, 12 meg Voodoo 2 card. How will F4 perform on my system?

5) How is F4 online? Is there a service to match pilots or where pilots get together (ie EAW squads hang out at Kali)

Thanks again for your patience with newbie questions!

8th FO DuNicht


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Envelope
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posted 05-22-2000 08:51 PM     Profile for Envelope   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Definitely grab it. I started with Jane's F-15 too and the increased maneuverability is really nice. Your system will handle it, I was able to run it on 32MB. I would worry about memory before processor speed. Get as much as you can, little things like loading time go down as you get more memory. The manual will help out your F-15 experience as well. It's worth the price of F4 alone at $15.

I haven't flown F4 online yet.


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Heretic
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posted 05-22-2000 08:52 PM     Profile for Heretic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Ok lets go i´m probably not updated but here we go....


1 ) as long you doesn´t buy intel crap i800 chipset series it s OK stable.

2 )No real add ons but patches cockpit, skys ... terrains are coming up.
But men... you have a hellll to walk to master F4. I too play EAW, and it sound dumb easy i bore myself after two missions since i´ve got falcon 4. Get it download patches you won´t regret it if you like jets, when you put it easy its quite affordable even for unwitted ones. But woth time you will want to move to the nexstep until you go to the crazy 100% realism.

3 ) all that you´ve listed is there...

4 )It´s okay, you´ll just have to turn grafic down a bit.

5) don´t know, my tel line here in brazil is a crap...

Come on join the party get entralled and put one more vice in your head...


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Snacko
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posted 05-22-2000 09:30 PM     Profile for Snacko   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
There's a nude picture of Pamela Anderson in the box.

'nuff said...

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Eric Marlow
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FAngs32
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posted 05-22-2000 09:30 PM     Profile for FAngs32   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
>> I recently noticed that the price of Falcon 4.0 has dropped quite a bit and even found it for
$14.99 at one place. It was tempting to snatch it right away but I thought I'd ask some questions
first. <<

Grab yourself a copy... you won't regret it.
F4 is a masterpiece, and at this point in time a mature(stable) product.

Avionics wise: If you liked F15, you'll be right at home in the viper :-)

As for multiplay: This is the big one...Nothing can touch F4's multiplayer TEs & Campaigns <g>

At this time there is an active F4 ICQ list with over 600 pilots registered.

Also, there are plenty of on-line squadrons & internet games to hook up to. Heck we have one up and running every weekend. ;-/


FAngs32
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Spawnbob
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posted 05-22-2000 09:49 PM     Profile for Spawnbob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
i done it the other way had Falcon4 from the beginging got EAW 2 weeks ago ( loving it)

1.) Stability - Fantastic , some problems might come up with new patches, hex edits, but they are sorted quickly.

2.)as said there is a massive development community for falcon and most is concentrated on realism patches, to improve the weapons, flight performance etc.
Reactivating things that were disabled by Microprose in later patches.
But there is ongoing development on New theaters, Kuwait, Bosnia, with new objectives, force compositions etc.

3.) The 3d cockpit is not the best , but the 2d's are excellent being really clickable , replacement cockpits, wide view cockpits, 1024*768

4.) the only real slowdown you will get is on the campaign ,( dogfights,TE (user mission) will run perfect.
Again Falcon is very scalable so you can turn a lot of stuff down and it still looks great.

5.) it not as accesible like EAW ,(Zone, Kali ) but it has a much greater potential esp as ADSL ,Cablemodems become more widespread .
Basically we are talking about a full blown campaign ( Air war, Ground War ) where you and you mates actions have an effect on the outcome of the war, more than say EAW, which is more partial dynamic, Falcon is the real thing.


Other things to think about,
* Tactical Engagements ( fantastic mission builder that allows mini camapigns )
* Great Flight Model
* Great feeling of being in a war , with ground , air battles raging around you and comms from other pilots, AWACS etc .
* Very Customisable ( easy to change the sky, sounds, weapons , flight performace etc )
* Unoffical ability to fly nearly any plane, even the B52 ( half supported but fun anyway )
* Extremely Detailed AC Systems , with Advanced Radar operations, this is not a shoot and kill sim, like TAW. You have to find the target on your radar which is a mission to it self.
* Brilliant Manual 500+ pages plus, very detailed , try to get the Ring Bound version
*The campaign is so vast and huge that you cant just complete it in a day, you need to employ strategys that work, it s a war going on.

So get Falcon 4 now, some reviews in the beginning said it was a Flawed Masterpiece, well now it's Just a Masterpiece.

Also like i see with EAW petition to get the source code, the F4 source was leaked a while back so this will lead to greater understanding of the way Falcon works.


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Mugshot
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posted 05-22-2000 09:50 PM     Profile for Mugshot   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Damn! They forgot to put the Pamela Anderson nude picture in my box...gonna call customer support right away....hehe

Dunno how to convince you, dude. All I will say is "Just buy it."


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Zero Niner
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posted 05-22-2000 10:32 PM     Profile for Zero Niner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Lemme add my voice here...
GET IT!!!!
I have EAW too (and I like it!) but I fly F4 much, much more than I do EAW (can you say all the time?)
Just so you'll know my taste in sims:
JF-15 - loved it, no dynamic campaign was a big let-down.
TAW - fun but not realistic imo. Loved the AWACS mode tho'.
EF2K - my first serious sim.
JF/A-18 - got it, haven't played it. Heck, I haven't even installed it! (Having too much fun with F4)
LB2 - my fave chopper sim (I loved Gunship 2000 too, way back when)
EAW - have it, love it but no time for it

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Zero Niner, out.


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Spawnbob
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posted 05-22-2000 10:44 PM     Profile for Spawnbob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Zero Niner another one for u to get is Commanche Hokum by Razorworks/Empire.
Go over to the Helo section on Combatsim forums and you will see why this is the LB2 Beater. Full Dynamic Campaign and a View system to get extremely excited about.
Also very stable, ie no Bugs at all.
6 Campaigns, 4 Flyable Helos, ( if Apache Havoc installed , which is on Budget).
Something that Falcon doesnt have, Fully Loaded Airbase and Carriers with suckers on the tarmac ready to be wasted .

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Vandal
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posted 05-22-2000 11:10 PM     Profile for Vandal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Others have spoken upon the technical aspects so I will not repeat that dogma.

How can I persuade you... by force of arms perhaps? Nah, role-reversal should do.

Question: Why don't you persuade us to quit?

Answer: YOU CAN'T! This game is too dang good. Nothing you could say would ever get us to stop playing it! I hope that will be enough to convice you.

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Lt TJ "Vandal" Clark
Buccaneer Mercenary Company
http://www.xbuccaneersx.net


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ral
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posted 05-23-2000 06:12 AM     Profile for ral   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I am going to disagree with all the others.

You shouldn't buy it. Once you play it for awhile, it is a nightmare...no other flight sim will satisfy you anymore and you will find yourself flying Falcon 4.0 night after night...until you decide you are tired of it...than you will buy another jet sim...play it for awhile...than you will go fire up Falcon 4.0 again.


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Du Doch Nicht
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posted 05-23-2000 09:09 PM     Profile for Du Doch Nicht   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Thanks a ton to all who took the time to respond----it is much appreciated. (However the Pamela Anderson comment won't help much in explaining to the Mrs. why I MUST buy this game!)

Glad to see that the F4 community is every bit as helpful and enthusiastic as the EAW community I'm used to. Nice to know there are folks willing to help excited yet ignorant!

Thanks again!

8th FO DuNicht


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Zero Niner
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posted 05-23-2000 10:36 PM     Profile for Zero Niner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Spawnbob:
Zero Niner another one for u to get is Commanche Hokum by Razorworks/Empire.
Go over to the Helo section on Combatsim forums and you will see why this is the LB2 Beater. Full Dynamic Campaign and a View system to get extremely excited about.
Also very stable, ie no Bugs at all.
6 Campaigns, 4 Flyable Helos, ( if Apache Havoc installed , which is on Budget).
Something that Falcon doesnt have, Fully Loaded Airbase and Carriers with suckers on the tarmac ready to be wasted .


Hey Spawnbob,
I would except:

A. I haven't seen it out here in Singapore.
B. It'll probably end up on the shelf uninstalled.

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Zero Niner, out.


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gmbape
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posted 05-25-2000 06:55 AM     Profile for gmbape     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Hey Zero Niner! I would recomend installing JF/A-18 on your computer. If nothing else, the avionics and the carrier landing will keep you occupied for a while. Prety much all I do in that sim is land on the carrier over and over and over again but it's lots of fun.

I haven't been playing much of any sims right now though because I have been playing the AD&D game Torment. It's got a great story line, though admittedly it's no flight sim. I'll come crawling back soon.


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posted 05-25-2000 01:49 PM     Profile for T-Bone   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Get a pirated version!!! Do not sponser Hasblow!!!

Hasbro, heres to you


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posted 05-26-2000 03:15 AM     Profile for Shatterer of Worlds   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Hello Du Doch Nicht,

I also play both EAW and F4.0 (as you may know). Here are some observations concerning F4.0 addons:

Like EAW Falcon 4.0 has been rebuilt from the ground up. With all the graphics addons out there the program simply no longer looks like it does out of the box.

While I have gotten very used to the virtual cockpit in EAW (I play at 1024) I have never gotten used to the one in F4.0. It's ugly. You will gain an appreciation for 2d cockpits with this program.

New terrains have not been built for F4.0 like they have been for EAW although that is set to change. One thing we can now do is change the map and elevation data so that new campaigns in new areas can be created. EAW of course still uses the default Europe map at this time.

There are literally dozens of fixes, patches, and graphics enhancements floating around but you will have an easier time getting F4.0 up to speed then EAW. With STAB and ECA CP European Air War can be a bear to set up.

Hope this helps.

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Klaatu Barada Nikto


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