Okay, went back and read the manual on "crossing the FLOT," which doesn't help a lot as it's pretty common sense and a little abstract. Flew more missions, and was really starting to enjoy RP2 overall, it's really very good. Flew some more missions over the FLOT and survived the AAA, just through the odd hard jink when it started firing and pumping some chaff (dunno if that worked all that well, confidence booster). I also tried crossing very high (35,000ft), which didn't work except it gave me more vertical manouvering room. Ain't no way to go over super low (< 250ft) early in the campaign due to small arms/light AAA. Medium alt (> 4500ft) is out due to the SA14s and Stingers.

So, my personal being killed/taken out rate is hovering at 50%. I can't get over that line safely more than that. I start manouvering hard as soon as I hear the first burst, but when I do get killed, it's within seconds of that, which makes it extremely frustrating. "Boom-ba-boom warningwarning-warningwarning" Even if the plane isn't terminal, the mission is effectively over due to avionics failures.

The "problem" (maybe I'm just not very good?) is particularly acute in the Seoul route PAK. When based on the East Coast, I seem to do OK (fly to about halfway across the peninsula), but the crtical PAK is just too intense for me.

Anyone come up with a sound FLOT crossing technique for RP2?

Just keep on trying

But whatever the case: they are shooting you to KILL you. It's not that they just want to make the firecracker show for you.
What I'm aiming here? Well, I don't think the high caliber triple-A would be there if it were totally useless. It's warfare: it's mathematics and plus-minus equations. Even the kill rate of 20% (for all the huge number of AAA there!) would make the allied very scared of the border-zone. Which, of course, is the meaning over there.

North Korea is supposed to be one of the countries with most high percentage of national income channeled into warfare. I bet that it's not just spearheads they have been buying. You can't always depend on the enemy to be poor (well, here you can) nomad tribe... And if the C3I -network works, then the sudden and most usual flak-wellcome is just to be expected. Korea peninsula is so small that the early warning radars should have easy time picking your middle alt flight inbound. Very easy.

Time to start act modern warfare: pick out the C3 installations, early warning sites. And bomb those AAA into landscape decorations...

Okay, I'm beginning to give in here. It's very possible that the D-30 as a fatal bug. :-)

john

Two factors are really important. First, barrages. Two, hyperaction.

In F4 you have too many things happen at once in a very small piece of ground (the FLOT). So, if you are not careful and fly thru a barrage (AAA pointing at a certain altitude and firing constantly), there's a really high probability of being shot down. One shot is enough. In fact, one pistol shot could harm an electric jet; so, think about grenades...

I installed the RP2 (which is just excelent, specially for this nerve breaking, very climatic AAA) in the middle of a Iron Fortress campaing. As the enemy ground forces had been considerably attrited by then, I got almost no AAA on the FLOAT, and very sparse on the airfields.

So the lesson is simple: fly smart. You can see at a distance the smoke of AAA an change your altitud accordingly. But, over all, work on your flight plan. You win 50% of the battle in the desk.

Second, resign to lose planes at the begining of the campaing. This is war, you know? ;-)

Hope this few lines help.

The Silent Runner, Buenos Aires.

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Originally posted by loadtoad:
I really doubt that this new new super aaa is this accurate in real life. I dont care if it radar guided or not. North korea is a very poor country and I know they dont posess this kind of aaa. Iraq had one of the best sam and aaa defenses in the known world and their aaa was not this good. I think it is a bit overstated.

john

flame suit on and rdy....

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In Iraq the border is very long. But in Korea the border is like a choke point. So the AAA concentration would be greater in Korea than in Iraq.

Now moving away from that (again I apologise), I have heard that there are AAA able to fire above the 40,000 ft marker in the RP2......is this true, and does it actually exist in real life?

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Good Hunting,

I've flown sortie after sortie, and only been shot down by AAA once, which was entirely my fault. I was chasing a couple of MiG29's BVR, and the point at which I launched was right over the (former) DMZ. Stupid. Otherwise, crossing at 30,000 seems to work, and trying to pick a relatively quiet corridor seems to be the key. When they start shooting, DIVE while turning/yanking 30* or so, and pump a few bales of chaff. Then it takes some time for them to get the range again, by which time I'm usually across. Flown many missions now, and like I said, only hit once.

Having a whole buttload of fun with RP2 now. I especially like the 8 Maverick loadout, and the 12 CBU-58 setup.

That means a very high level attack with a lasar guided munition. I keep drawing this bubble, in my head, around the radar site that is roughly 10 miles wide or five miles from arc center (the gun).

I remember watching wings on discovery channel and the boys had a minimum altitude of 10,000 ft to protect themselves from AAA. Have things change in the world sence 1991 that aircraft need to fly at very high altitudes to protect themselves from AAA and open themselves to SAM threats?

If you had a iron bomb and you wanted to drop it on the guns, you would have to toss that sucker close to five miles. FIVE MILES!!! That doesnt sound right... its accurate to within 50 feet from 10 - 15,000 feet using CCIP or CCRP. Thats two to three miles, which is an amazing record.

Does someone have current data on these AAA guns were up against... I think its in the game, but Im at work... cant check.

Just a question.

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Vietnam kicked US
butt didn't they?

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No, we won every battle. We lost the war because of politicians and liberal hippies who really didn't know what the war was about.

We could have ended the was in 6 months.

In fact I read in Soldier of Fortune Magazine, a guy talking with a general at a dinner. The VC general said they were 24 hours away from drawing up an unconditional surrender because of the bombing by B-52s and the force of Arms that the US had.

As for the supply situation, I was pretty similar. By about 2200hrs all but the ROK squadron at Chungju were down to single digits - 4 @ Gueneung, 7 @ Osan, and 4 between the two squadrons at Seoul (2 each!). Chungju had 16 remaining, so I flew some "exchange" time there. Out of Slammers and -9M's though, which sucked for BARCAPs.

But, as is usual For Rolling Fire campaigns, supply catches up to demand around midnight. We've got Slammers, and most of the units are back up to about 50% strength. So I'm gonna set the force sliders to "OCA" and "Aircraft" for a bit, before resuming the CCC effort. Just took out that Russian airbase, too. Man, that's a looooooong flight, like around 350 miles one way. There were lots of Chinese Il-76's there for some reason.