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tweetpilot
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posted 04-08-2000 08:19 AM     Profile for tweetpilot   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Someone asked about this in another post. Here goes. The source is the AF's Flying Safety Magazine's 1999 Mishap Review.

What I'll put here is Class A Mishaps, which the AF defines as half a mil in damage or loss of life.
1996- 8 Class A's
'97- 11
'98- 14
1999 - 18!
These are all lost jets. 11 of 18 were found to be material/maintenence caused, 5 were ops (read pilot error) (two of these were mid-airs-remember that post here where someone said it doesn't happen?) and 2 undetermined.

2 Fatalities.

A few selected quotes:
MNX related:
"...after takeoff the mishap engine flamed out. The pilot ejected safely."
"...returning to base, the mishap aircraft's engine flamed out. The pilot ejected safely."
"Shortly after takeoff the mishap aircraft experienced a loss of thrust...the crew ejected safely."

OPS Related
"During a Basic Fighter Manuever (BFM) mission, one pilot initiated a high G/high G onset turn. ...the aircraft started a vertical dive, and the pilot did not recover the aircraft or eject before impact."
"During a visual formation rejoin, the wingman came in very "hot" and was directed to overshoot by the element lead...After impact the wingman's airplane began uncontrollable pitching movements, and the pilot very wisely abandoned the aircraft."

All hail the ACES II!

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Miha
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posted 04-08-2000 10:49 AM     Profile for Miha   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Yeah. Did you see some video of ejection? It shoots the pilot out like a toy! It's really spectacular!
It's just too bad it doesn't look half as good in F4 - the real ejection seat of F-16 can operate at 0 knots and 0 altitude, but in F4 if you eject while on the ground it doesn't thrust you in the air, it just falls to the ground!

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Capt. Miha 'Chip' Staric
107/0 kill ratio :)

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Toecutter
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posted 04-08-2000 06:58 PM     Profile for Toecutter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Seems to me that the tendency is not incouraging. I bet that besides aging aircraft it has a LOT to do with political correctness, the lack of funding, lack of flight-time for the pilots, "making due" with what you can get your hands on for the crew-chiefs: Basically the Clinton administration...

Sad

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Obi Offiah
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posted 04-08-2000 08:44 PM     Profile for Obi Offiah   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
About a week ago I was looking through the Martin Baker website wonder which ejection seats were better, the MK-14 NACES (the latest versions used in the F/A-18's including the Super Hornets)/MK-16 to be used in the Rafale and Typhoon, or the ACES II. The ACES II is said to support a maximum ejection speed of 600knots, I read about and F-15E crew that punched out at 780, the pilot survived but sadly the WSO was killed. The MK-16L quotes ejection speeds up to 400knots but it seems to have a advanced ejection profile.

Obi Offiah

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tweetpilot
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posted 04-09-2000 12:35 AM     Profile for tweetpilot   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
The F-15E crew that punched was on a night BFM ride and the pilot got spatially disoriented. Basically turned his jet and was headed straight down before he realized it and also realized that there was not enough altitude to recover...pulled the handle. They punched out past mach 1. The pilot suffered teriible injuries (broken legs, ribs etc...) and a great big deal was made when he returned to fly. They were over water and were picked up very quickly, otherwise he would not have survived.

I THINK (but I'm not sure) the WSO drowned due to being unconcious when he hit the water. I'll have to re-read it to make sure.

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JimG
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posted 04-09-2000 01:20 PM     Profile for JimG   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I read the article on the Beagle crash...think the avionics messed up on them.

A lot of the Viper crashes are due to engine failures, especially the ones at Luke AFB, Az. 2 of them were from my base (1998)...one failed out over the Atlantic (SAR) and the other just at takeoff...(pilot punched out and landed at the end of the runway).

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