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Guardian Angel
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posted 03-06-2000 08:59 PM     Profile for Guardian Angel   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I'm new to the game. I want to pole what people think is the strongest EAW dogfighter.
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posted 03-06-2000 09:07 PM     Profile for Tailspin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Whooo boy!!! This could get UGLY!
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posted 03-06-2000 09:14 PM     Profile for Guardian Angel   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Sorry, I should have typed "poll."
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posted 03-06-2000 09:17 PM     Profile for Tailspin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Ok...I'm game...Any version of Spitfire!
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posted 03-06-2000 09:21 PM     Profile for Guardian Angel   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Why?
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posted 03-06-2000 09:31 PM     Profile for HarryM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
My vote goes to the Tempest. Seems to do everything well, and has great hitting power with 4 20MM cannon.

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posted 03-06-2000 09:45 PM     Profile for MajorLee   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
In EAW, the Tempest is a good bet. For the U.S., the P51 is the better dogfighter, but if you can fly it "right", the P47 will get the job done. If you like German aircraft, the 109E does many things well, and the 190D models on ECA Control Panel are wicked little hot rods. The 190A4 from the latest version of ECA_Online is nice flyer. The answer, though, is actually more dependant on the pilot than the plane, especially in "real life".

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Tailspin
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posted 03-06-2000 09:54 PM     Profile for Tailspin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I just like Spitfires ....Actually the Tempest is probably the best in EAW. Can take as well as it gives. Thats probably its biggest edge over later model Spits. But a good Spit pilot that uses energy tactics combined with the superior turning ability is going to be hard to beat.
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posted 03-06-2000 10:01 PM     Profile for bucky-s   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Yep. Probably gotta go with the Tempest. That plane is so ba-a-a-ad it almost feels like cheating.

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posted 03-06-2000 11:39 PM     Profile for Edwin Rommel   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Ze best plane in ze dogfight?

Ze von zhat gets to fly home afterwards!!!

E.R.


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posted 03-07-2000 02:51 AM     Profile for Azmi127   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Spifire is the best. Fast, manoevurable and outperformed the BF109 as well. But hardly to put it on the ground.

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posted 03-07-2000 03:10 AM     Profile for randy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post

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I agree with Herr Rommel
But, IMHO I think you need to fly one
plane(whatever type) until it feels as
if you are driving your car. The more
experience with a particular aircraft you
have, the better you know what it will do,
and what you can do with it.Practice, Practice.


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posted 03-07-2000 03:55 AM     Profile for Edwin Rommel   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Herr Randy!!

Mein Bruder- You haf zeen ze Light!!

But zum- vell, zum of zhem it is beßer to take ein posting to ze ground war on ze OST front rather than to fly! No matter how used you get to zhem- life ist still very short in zhem- maybe exiting- but still short!

Planes such as ze Ju87 (except if your name ist Von Hess), Ju 88 G (Except if your name ist Schatten), Ze Typhoon in ATA, Ze Spitfeuer 1 in ein steep dive, ze Me109E in ein turning fight to name a few

E.R.


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posted 03-07-2000 04:52 AM     Profile for Kraut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I hate to admit it but the Spit IX gets my vote in CFS, WBs, AW2/3, WW2, & EAW. The Hurrie comes next but I still think it's overmodeled in all areas in CFS.
FWIW,
Good Hunting!

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posted 03-07-2000 05:11 AM     Profile for No609 OzZiggy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
for me it all depends on what you call a dogfight ..if its turn and burn only the go the spitfire..if its an "you can do wht the hell you want" pick an energy fighter that takes advantage of the other guys planes weeknesses..say for exapmle the p51 in the MSA patch ..lots of fun,,ok speed ..combat flaps ..and a ton of 50 cal to throw about the joint ..i been flying this bird and the p47 mostly ..just because i want a break from spits
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posted 03-07-2000 05:45 AM     Profile for MOk   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I bet spitfire for dogfight not hit and run
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posted 03-07-2000 08:56 AM     Profile for Capitan Manduca   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Too many RAF/USAAF planes...

** The Bf109E 'Emil' once in ECA/ECAonline fashion can kill Spitfires with eyes closed (if you don't go into a turn-and-turn-and-die combat)

** The Fw190A4 'Anton', very well balanced.

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posted 03-07-2000 09:55 AM     Profile for CFrancisco   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
HEHEHE ...

I say the Stuka.. Not because it can out turn, Not Because it can outrun, Not because it can out dive(well if modeled i know it will ) but because that silly Jagdflieger has this nasty tendency to underestimate the Plane and the Flieger behind the stick. Many an Allied pilot has fallen for the helpless look of the Stuka only to fall victim to its guns when they overshot or lingered to long on the 6 drooling at how easy they believe it will be.

WWWWWRRRRRRRRR BOOOOOOMMMM!!!!!
STUKA!

BBWWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

BUT if you want a fighter then give me 2 the 109F and a Hurri... love them both..
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[This message has been edited by CFrancisco (edited 03-07-2000).]


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posted 03-07-2000 10:39 AM     Profile for KMHPaladin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
CFran, the poll was strongest dogfighter, not flying deathtrap. God...

Oh, my two cents goes to the P-47. You've gotta love it... 8 .50's and the dive characteristics of a brick .

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posted 03-07-2000 10:41 AM     Profile for CFrancisco   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
AAHHHH i see... dogfighter .. i thought that meant DOG of a Fighter.. LOL

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God is not on the side of the big battalions, but on the side of those who shoot best.
Voltaire (1694-1778)

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posted 03-07-2000 10:43 AM     Profile for blur   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
As much as it pains me to agree...yes a spit edges out the competition as the best dogfighter in EAW and most likley in reality too. From what I have read the spit was a well mannered aircraft which increases its value as a dogfighter. But their are so many other variables such as altitude,what model(ie mk5 or mk14,ect,ect), geographical location that to assume that the spit was hands down the best dogfighter in the skies over europe between 1940-1945 would be a mistake. For instance, given the range of even some later model spits I dont recall many stories of them performing any high altitude escourt missions deep into Germany(please feel free to correct me if I am wrong). My point is from the perspective of 1 vs 1 dogfighting in EAW, yeah the spit is hard to beat but from the perspective of historical accuracy I doubt many Dora pilots saw Mk14s while intercepting B17s at high altitude over Dresden.

OK Im done stirring things up
Blur out

PS I prefer the A-8


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posted 03-07-2000 10:53 AM     Profile for CFrancisco   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
OK you guys want to know what the BEST Dog fighter is. This is the answer we all seem to have forgotten.

The best Dogfighter has these qualities that no other plane in the air has.

The best eyes, the best reflexes, the best Tactical mind, the best Shot, and finally the most important thing the BEST LUCK!

IN other words its not the Plane folks its the PILOT, his skill and his LUCK that make the most mediocre crate the best DOGFIGHTER.

check 6.. thumper.. out
"WHA! how'd he get over there!"

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quote:
God is not on the side of the big battalions, but on the side of those who shoot best.
Voltaire (1694-1778)

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posted 03-07-2000 11:14 AM     Profile for Dolfo     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I also think the pilot is the most important part. When you ask for the best plane in an online dogfight it simply depends on what you fly best and what your opponent flies.

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posted 03-07-2000 11:18 AM     Profile for NJG88_Greywolf   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I saw this post when it first came out and thought that this would be an interesting topic. Well here's my 2 cents worth on the subject. In short you could be flying a WWI vintage Spad or a Fokker tri-wing and going up against a WWII Mustang, Wulf or Spitty. If your knowledge, combat tactics, and ability put you in a position to open fire and do damage to your enemy ..... I guess your in the best Dogfighter.
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posted 03-07-2000 12:57 PM     Profile for barryw   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Pilotage is the correct reply. Remember how many 109's were snuffed by Hurricanes? The Hurri was inferior in almost every respect, but they suck a 109 pilot into a tight turn and boom!
Galland was a prime example, he often 'left the area' to fly another day, he hated dogfights, loved to come upon enemy pilots who were unaware of his presence, would swoop down, come from below and behind, where they were blind and blow 'em outta the sky.
His a/c was often inferior in performance to the other, but he got the kill.

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posted 03-07-2000 01:56 PM     Profile for Guardian Angel   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Totals
Granted pilot skill is the biggest factor

Hur 2
Spit 4
P47 1
Temp 2
109F 2
190A4 1

No votes for the Mustang!!!???


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posted 03-07-2000 02:01 PM     Profile for CFrancisco   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
HEY! you forgot 1 STUKA!!

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God is not on the side of the big battalions, but on the side of those who shoot best.
Voltaire (1694-1778)

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posted 03-07-2000 02:07 PM     Profile for Guardian Angel   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Your right! Sorry.
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posted 03-07-2000 03:19 PM     Profile for Guardian Angel   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Any more votes?
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posted 03-07-2000 03:59 PM     Profile for SDaly   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
If were including Pacific I have to go with the Zero.
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posted 03-07-2000 04:03 PM     Profile for Karnak   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
1: Fw-190A-4 (though it galls me to admit it)
2: Spitfire
3: Tempest

Sisu


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posted 03-07-2000 05:09 PM     Profile for Kraut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Let's raise the ante. You have your orders to go on a free hunt. To get the mission accomplished & survive, which kite would you choose. Now, this is your own life & duty. Your @ 20,000 ft. & you come into contact with a like # of enemy crates @ the same alt.
FWIW,
Good Hunting!
PS. Thumper, don't take that damn Stuka. I kinda like you!

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posted 03-07-2000 07:48 PM     Profile for Ajax   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
quote:
To get the mission accomplished & survive
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The Tempest gets my vote. Can take a huge beating, lotsa firepower plus quite maneuverable for a plane of its size. The Spit XIV is a close second, with its turning ability and impressive accel.

-Ajax out


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posted 03-07-2000 08:54 PM     Profile for michaeldfox   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
I'll add this quote from War in the Air, by Stephen Coonts.

"The most decorated German soldier of World War II was Hans Ulrich Rudel, who somehow survived six extraordinary years of air combat. He spent most of his career flying Stuka dive bombers, lost a leg, then returned to flying status and finished the war in an FW-190. Rudel's 2530 combat sorties is a record you can set in concrete---No one will ever surpass it.

How did he survive six years of combat? Well, he was very lucky. In addition, he was a damn good pilot and an extremely tough, determined man. Perhaps his iron will was the critical factor."

It's the pilot...but I'd still rather be the pilot in the Spit.

Michael D. Fox



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posted 03-07-2000 09:47 PM     Profile for Reb   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Without a doubt it has to belong to the 190-4. Although I believe the 109F can hold its own against just about any plane.
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posted 03-07-2000 11:14 PM     Profile for Edwin Rommel   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Herren

Und I said a long time ago in zhis thread- zhe best dogfighter is ze von who gets to fly home afterwards- zhis implies zhat a good lucky pilot flying a brick can most of the times beat a poor pilot flying a superior plane!

The type of plane helps- but it is the pilot that makes ze difference!

E.R.


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posted 03-08-2000 12:58 AM     Profile for randy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
Herr Rommel
I agree completely,luck definitely plays
a part. My personal favorite is the FW190D
series.Practice, Practice, Learn the aircraft.


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posted 03-08-2000 11:25 AM     Profile for No609OzZiggy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
i hate you all

you have left out my favourite plane ..gloster gladiator ..and ill be flying it in the next online war you just ´wait and see.

Servus


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posted 03-08-2000 11:34 AM     Profile for CFrancisco   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
AAWWWW KRAUT! Scheiss! now vhat am i supposed to do.. LOL

WWWWRRRRRRRRR BBOOOOOMMMM!!!! hehehehehe

For me if i have to i'll take an ME109F cause i feel secure with that baby.

*hhmm trying to figure out how to mix an ME109F with a STUKA..*

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God is not on the side of the big battalions, but on the side of those who shoot best.
Voltaire (1694-1778)

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posted 03-08-2000 11:40 AM     Profile for Opa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post
The 109K is the supreme energy fighter, and will knock out a tempest any day. As well as the latest spits. Spiral climb, wing over.

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