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Spawnbob
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posted 11-18-2000 09:18 PM     Profile for Spawnbob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
k lets sort this USB problem out once and for all, we need a survey on who has USB what Stick they got, drivers etc.

Fill this in even if u dont have a USB problem but have a USB stick

What USB Joystick do u have

What operating System are u using

What patch version of EECH are u using


What Joystick Software are u running

Do u have a USB Problem

What Joystick Driver Version do u have

What USB Driver Version do u have

What version of Direct X do u have


for Driver version look in System Device Manager and say ver or date of driver.


What are the symptons of the problem


What USB BIOS settings do u have
look for USB assign IRQ
USB Resources controlled by OS / BIOS

if enough people with USB sticks fill this out we can see if the problem is located to 1 stick in particular , a driver , bios setting whatever.

This is a list of all the related USB posts i could find most have replys to them might be something in them

NEW POSTS

USB JOYSTICKS
NEw MS Joysticks
USB question: can I hook up two????
It's Official - USB Ported Joysticks Won't Be Addressed!
Wingman Force 3D, no support ?
ATTENTION RAITH/BADGERDOF /TRIGGER USB

OLD POSTS

Problems with EECH & Sidewinder Force Feedback2 (USB) & Saïtek USB
Help with Demo
Help!! EECH won`t respond to my joystick...
Is this game support USB joystick at all?
HOTAS picks and advancing question
CH Throttle woes ( on-going )
EECH Demo and USB Controllers
CH Pro Pedals USB
Did US release fix USB issues?
USB joystick blues. My solution....
View goes straight up with CH Combatstick USB
USB joystick problem
USB Joystick
How Does One Calibrate a Joystick in EECH?
Joystick Problem
EECH And Rudder Pedals
Rudder Pedals
Cannot Select Rockets
My joystick doesn't work!!! Help!
windows 2000!!!!!?????
USB problem
saitek cyborg 3d usb
Sidewinder 3D Pro with CH Pedals
USB Joystick not recognized
Genius USB joystick problems.Help!
Tried the demo...
USB drivers,where to find?
Hotas recomandation
STILL NO PATCH FOR USB JOYSTICKS
USB Logitech FF Wingman and EECH prob
New Joystick??
could conquerer ask razorworks for a fix to USB joystick problem?
Anyone using Logitech Wingman and CH Pro-pedals?
CH Pedals, Do they work?

[This message has been edited by Spawnbob (edited 11-29-2000).]


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mr nice guy
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posted 11-19-2000 02:53 AM     Profile for mr nice guy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
What USB Joystick do u have
Logitech wingman extreme

What operating System are u using
W98 SE

What patch version of EECH are u using
1.45XX

What Joystick Software are u running
Logitech wingman profiler

Do u have a USB Problem
Only one minor problem, can't get the throttle to 100% only 83% and can't get it to 0% the lowest value I can get it is 20%

What Joystick Driver Version do u have
Just standard Microsoft USB drivers
What USB Driver Version do u have

What version of Direct X do u have
DirectX 7 (version 4.07.00.700)

for Driver version look in System Device Manager and say ver or date of driver.
version 4.12.01.626


What are the symptons of the problem
no other problems than above

What USB BIOS settings do u have
look for USB assign IRQ
USB Resources controlled by OS / BIOS

if enough people with USB sticks fill this out we can see if the problem is located to 1 stick in particular , a driver , bios setting whatever.


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posted 11-19-2000 11:53 AM     Profile for John J   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Stick: Saitek X36 stick and throttle

O.S. Windows 98

Patch: 1.45

Software: SGE (saitek gaming extensions)

I have no problems whatsoever, everything works like a champ!!!

DX 7


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posted 11-19-2000 12:28 PM     Profile for Zero G   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have a Microsoft Precision Pro USB. As I have said before, I used this with Win 98, 98SE and ME. I have used it with DX 7, 7A and now 8. I tried some different USB drivers and all of this has been from the first beta of the game right through to the latest patch. This has been done with no problems at all. It would be very nice to find the link that people share when having this problem.

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Raith
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posted 11-19-2000 03:26 PM     Profile for Raith   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
*What USB Joystick do u have

MS Precision Pro 2 and Logitech Wingman Force 3D

*What operating System are u using

Tried on Win98SE and Win2K

*What patch version of EECH are u using

1.4.1c....so far, I havn't read anything that the 1.45 patch has anything to do with joystick problems. If this can help, let me know.

*What Joystick Software are u running

Standard stuff bundled with the joystick. Nothing fancy.

*Do u have a USB Problem

Yep


*What Joystick Driver Version do u have

Already downloaded whatever current driver version available for both.

*What USB Driver Version do u have

Not sure bout that one.

*What version of Direct X do u have

Current version of DirectX7

*What are the symptons of the problem

POV looking straight up. No joystick control at all.


-Raith

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posted 11-20-2000 12:57 PM     Profile for BadgerDog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
COPY....

Exactly the same config and problem as raith....


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posted 11-20-2000 03:15 PM     Profile for SuperDank   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Spawnbob:
k lets sort this USB problem out once and for all, we need a survey on who has USB what Stick they got, drivers etc.

Fill this in even if u dont have a USB problem but have a USB stick

[b]What USB Joystick do u have
Logitech WingMan 3D

What operating System are u using
WME
What patch version of EECH are u using
1.4.5x

What Joystick Software are u running
Logitech WingMan 3d
Do u have a USB Problem
Nope-Never.. I did with the Seitek.. had to buy this one.. and it works great
What Joystick Driver Version do u have

What USB Driver Version do u have

What version of Direct X do u ave
8.0

for Driver version look in System Device Manager and say ver or date of driver.


What are the symptons of the problem


What USB BIOS settings do u have
look for USB assign IRQ
USB Resources controlled by OS / BIOS

if enough people with USB sticks fill this out we can see if the problem is located to 1 stick in particular , a driver , bios setting whatever.[/B]



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posted 11-20-2000 03:35 PM     Profile for Encryption   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
What USB Joystick do u have
MS Force Feedback 2 (just switched to Saitek X-36 USB Combo)

What operating System are u using
MS 98Se

What patch version of EECH are u using
1.45x +mod

What Joystick Software are u running
SGE boxed version + Bob Church's external rudders fix

Do u have a USB Problem
NO

What Joystick Driver Version do u have
Original drivers that came with stick

What USB Driver Version do u have
4.10.2222

What version of Direct X do u have
DirectX 7.0a


What USB BIOS settings do u have
look for USB assign IRQ
USB Resources controlled by OS / BIOS

USB resources controlled by BIOS assign IRQ11

[This message has been edited by Encryption (edited 12-19-2000).]


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posted 11-20-2000 03:41 PM     Profile for calvinman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Using Saitek USB, no problems

SGE software,

Windows 98 SE

Direct X 7.0a

game version 1.41 (I think)


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posted 11-20-2000 07:09 PM     Profile for Stewie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
What USB Joystick do u have
Saitek X36 with throttle
What operating System are u using
98 se
What patch version of EECH are u using
1.45X
What Joystick Software are u running
Saitek Gaming Extension
Do u have a USB Problem
NOPE, NONE!
What Joystick Driver Version do u have
1.10.2000
What USB Driver Version do u have
4.17.2000
What version of Direct X do u have
8

for Driver version look in System Device Manager and say ver or date of driver.


What are the symptons of the problem


What USB BIOS settings do u have
look for USB assign IRQ
USB Resources controlled by OS / BIOS

hmmmm....dunno..heheh


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posted 11-20-2000 08:15 PM     Profile for Spawnbob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
SideWinder: List of Hardware with Compatibility Issues

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The information in this article applies to:

Microsoft SideWinder 3D Pro, version 1.0
Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback Pro, version 1.0
Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback Wheel, version 1.0
Microsoft SideWinder FreeStyle Pro, version 1.0
Microsoft SideWinder game pad, version 1.0
Microsoft SideWinder Precision Pro version 1.0
Microsoft SideWinder Game Controller software version 3.0

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SUMMARY
This article contains a list of sound cards, game cards, computers, and chipsets that are known to have compatibility issues with SideWinder Game Controllers.

MORE INFORMATION
The following sound cards, game cards, computers, and chipsets have known compatibility issues with SideWinder game controllers.

NOTE: SideWinder game devices are designed to work with only one game port installed. You may experience erratic joystick or game pad behavior if more than one game port is installed in the computer.

Diamond Multimedia Monster Sound Cards
The Monster sound card drivers included with Microsoft Windows 98 are not compatible with the SideWinder Game Controller Software 3.0.

To resolve this issue, run the F3remove.exe program on the Diamond Monster Sound installation CD-ROM to remove the Windows 98 drivers.

After you remove the Windows 98 drivers, install the Diamond drivers from the CD-ROM, or download and install the latest version of the drivers from the following Diamond Multimedia Web site: http://www.diamondmm.com

ESS Sound Cards
You may experience erratic game control or poor game performance if you connect your SideWinder game controller to the game port on an ESS-based sound card.

To resolve this issue, configure the sound card to use single-mode DMA.

Maxi Game Theatre 64
When you connect a SideWinder game pad to the game port on a Maxi Game Theatre 64 sound card, and then connect a SideWinder game controller to the game port connector on the game pad, you may experience erratic game controller behavior.

To resolve this issue, connect your SideWinder game controller directly to the game port on the sound card.
Media Vision Sound Cards
You may experience erratic game control or poor game performance if you connect a digital SideWinder game controller to the game port on a Media Vision sound card.

To resolve this issue, install the MS-DOS drivers for the sound card in addition to the Windows 95/98 drivers. If you use a SideWinder 3D Pro joystick and you still experience problems, switch the SideWinder 3D Pro to analog mode.

For information about how to configure Media Vision sound cards, please see the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

Q172934 ActiMates/SideWinder: Configuring Media Vision Sound Cards
MiroConnect 34 Sound Card

You may experience erratic game control if you connect a digital SideWinder game controller to the game port on a MiroConnect sound card.

To resolve this issue, please see the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

Q172730 ActiMates/SideWinder: Configuring Miroconnect 34 Sound Cards
IBM MWave Sound Card

You may experience erratic game control if you connect a digital SideWinder game controller to the game port on an IBM MWave sound card.

To resolve this issue, please see the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

Q172624 ActiMates/SideWinder: Configuring IBM MWave Sound Cards
Opti Sound Cards

You may experience erratic game control or poor game performance if you connect your SideWinder game controller to the game port on an Opti-based sound card.

To resolve this issue, configure the sound card to use single-mode DMA. For information about how to configure single-mode DMA on an Opti-based sound card, please see the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

Q172697 ActiMates/SideWinder: Configuring Opti Sound Cards
Quick Shot PCMCIA Game Card

You may experience erratic game control if you connect a digital SideWinder game controller to a Quick Shot PCMCIA card.

To resolve this issue, contact your hardware manufacturer to obtain the latest version of the drivers for the game card.


TeleVideo TeleWave Q32/SRS
You may experience erratic game control or poor game performance if you connect a digital SideWinder game controller to the game port on a TeleWave Q32/SRS sound card.

To resolve this issue, install the MS-DOS drivers for the sound card in addition to the Windows 95/98 drivers. If you use a SideWinder 3D Pro joystick and you still experience problems, switch the SideWinder 3D Pro to analog mode.

For information about how to configure the TeleVideo TeleWave Q32/SRS sound card, please see the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:


Q172649 ActiMates/SideWinder: Configuring TeleVideo TeleWave Sound Cards
Toshiba Tecra 720 Notebook Computer

If you connect your digital SideWinder game controller to the game port on your Toshiba Tecra 720 notebook computer, the computer may not detect the game controller, or you may experience erratic game control or poor game performance. This behavior can occur if the computer is running in Low power mode.

To resolve this issue, configure the computer to run in Full power mode. For information about how to configure the computer to run in Full power mode, see your hardware documentation.
Incompatible Devices
The game ports on the following devices are not compatible with digital SideWinder game controllers:


ASound Plus - Avance Logic ALS 100+ chipset
BTC 1815-Analog Devices 1815 SoundComm chipset
Chromatic Research !MPACT, !MPACT 2 sound cards
CMI8330 Audio Codec
Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 SCSI-1

NOTE: The game ports on all other Sound Blaster cards are compatible with digital SideWinder game controllers.


Cyrix MediaGX, including the built-in game port on the Compaq Presario 2120 and 2200
Diamond Multimedia Edge 3D multimedia adapter
Digital Research DRSound3D - Avance Logic ALS 100+ chipset
ESS978-based Laptop Docking Stations

NOTE: If your laptop uses the ESS18xx chipset and does not have a game port, your docking station probably uses the ESS978 chipset.


Hewlett-Packard HP4000CT laptop docking station
New Media Systems Game Jammer PC card
Roland RAP 10/AT
Toshiba Tecra 700CT notebook computer

To use a SideWinder game controller with these devices, install a standard game port or PCMCIA game card in the computer, and then disable the game port on the device. If you have a SideWinder 3D Pro joystick, you can use it in Analog mode.

The third-party products discussed in this article are manufactured by vendors independent of Microsoft; we make no warranty, implied or otherwise, regarding these products' performance or reliability.


Additional query words: 1.00 3.00 side winder gamepad connected adapters

Keywords : kb3rdparty kbhw sidewinder kbref kbimu
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Last Reviewed: July 29, 1999
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[This message has been edited by Spawnbob (edited 11-20-2000).]


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posted 11-20-2000 08:22 PM     Profile for Spawnbob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q189/0/76.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0

To use the USB version of the SideWinder FreeStyle Pro game pad or SideWinder Precision Pro joystick, you need the following items:

  • Microsoft Windows 98 operating system or later.
  • An available USB port on the computer.
  • A SideWinder FreeStyle Pro game pad or a SideWinder Precision Pro joystick, USB version.
  • A USB adapter (included with the SideWinder FreeStyle Pro or SideWinder Precision Pro, USB version).
  • Microsoft SideWinder Game Controller software, version 3.0 or later.

NOTE: The USB adapter works only with a SideWinder USB game controller. Do not use the USB adapter to connect any other game controller to your computer. If you do so, you may damage both the game controller and the computer.

To identify the version of your SideWinder Precision Pro joystick, look at the product identification (PID) number on the bottom of the joystick. The first five digits of the PID number for the SideWinder Precision Pro, USB version, are 85791. The first five digits of the PID number for the original SideWinder Precision Pro are 97462.

NOTE: If the first five digits of the PID number for your joystick are 97462, you can only connect the joystick to the game port on your computer.

All versions of the SideWinder FreeStyle Pro are USB compatible.

[This message has been edited by Spawnbob (edited 11-20-2000).]


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posted 11-20-2000 08:30 PM     Profile for Spectre_USA   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote

What USB Joystick do u have
Sidewinder PPro
What operating System are u using
98SE, ME
What patch version of EECH are u using
1.45X

What Joystick Software are u running
Geez, old, if it ain't broke...
Do u have a USB Problem
Negative
What Joystick Driver Version do u have
Geez, old, if it ain't broke...
What USB Driver Version do u have
???
What version of Direct X do u have
DX7.0a

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posted 11-20-2000 08:31 PM     Profile for Spawnbob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Logitech® WingMan® Software: Detection Issues with USB Entertainment Devices

This document is written with the assumption that the user has a general understanding of basic Windows® commands in order to perform the procedures detailed below. When possible, we try to describe the entire process in full detail. However, different system configurations often require different procedures to perform these actions. For assistance with these procedures, please consult the Microsoft Windows manual or on-line help system. If your particular question is not addressed in this document, please check our WingMan Software Document catalog to select another document which might better help you.

Table of contents


Introduction
Check the connections
USB port configurations (Windows 98/Me)
USB port configurations (Windows 2000)
Verify a Gameport driver is loaded (Windows 98 only)
Reinstall DirectX
Install an HID-compliant game controller (Windows 98 only)
Test the device on another system
Introduction

This document details the steps to resolve detection issues with Logitech Entertainment devices connected to the USB port. Before continuing with this document, it is important to discern if the issue is a detection issue or a game setup issue. To do this, click "Start", "Settings", then "Control Panel". In the Control Panel click "Game Controllers".

If the Logitech gaming device is listed under "Game Controllers", and the status is listed as "OK", the hardware is being detected properly by the system. The device should work in the Control Panel; please verify. As long as it does work properly, then the issue lies within the setup of the game. Please refer to the game's documentation for instructions on setting up a controls in the game.

If the Logitech digital gaming device is not listed under "Game Controllers", or shows that the status is "Not Connected", please continue with the following troubleshooting steps.

Check the connections

Connect the gaming device directly to the computers USB port. If a USB Port hub is being used, try connecting the device directly to the USB port on the computer. If the device works correctly when directly connected to the computer, please contact the manufacturer of the USB hub for assistance. For the Logitech WingMan Force and the WingMan Formula Force, please make sure the power adapter is connected to the gaming device as well as a working power socket.

NOTE: Do not connect the gaming device to the serial and USB at the same time; use only one connection at a time. Connecting a gaming device to both ports simultaneously can cause detection problems or erratic joystick behavior.

Many early USB systems (PIX 3) shipped with the USB ports disabled. These systems must have their USB ports enabled before a USB device will be detected and function properly. These USB ports are generally enabled through the system BIOS; please check the system documentation or contact the system manufacturer for more information.

USB port configuration (Windows 98/ME)

Check to see that the USB port is correctly configured using the following steps:

a. Click on "Start", "Settings", then "Control Panel".
b. Double click on the "System" icon.
c. Click on the "Device Manger" tab.
d. In the "Device Manager" verify that you have an entry called "Universal serial bus controller". If this entry does not exist, you will need to contact the vendor of your USB hardware for information on correctly configuring the USB Controller. If the entry does exist, please continue with the next step.
e. Open the "Universal serial bus controller" icon by clicking on the plus (+) sign to the left of the icon. Verify that there is a "USB Root Hub" icon and an icon for the "USB Port". If either of these icons are missing or have an exclamation points or red X's on them, please contact the vendor of your USB hardware for information on correctly configuring the USB Controller.

USB port configuration (Windows 2000)

Check to see that the USB port is correctly configured using the following steps:

a. Click on "Start", "Settings", then "Control Panel".
b. Double click on the "System" icon.
c. Click the "Hardware" tab.
d. Click on the "Device Manger" button.
e. In the "Device Manager" verify that you have an entry called "Universal serial bus controller". If this entry does not exist, you will need to contact the vendor of your USB hardware for information on correctly configuring the USB Controller. If the entry does exist, please continue with the next step.
f. Open the "Universal serial bus controller" icon by clicking on the plus (+) sign to the left of the icon. Verify that there is a "USB Root Hub" icon and an icon for the "USB Port". If either of these icons are missing or have an exclamation points or red X's on them, please contact the vendor of your USB hardware for information on correctly configuring the USB Controller.

Verify a Gameport driver is loaded (Windows 98 only)

The Logitech WingMan line of USB gaming devices will function on computers without gameports or soundcards. However, Direct X requires a gameport entry in the "Sound, Video, and Game Controllers" section of the Device Manager in order for any gaming devices to be added in the Control Panel. To check for the presence of a gameport driver, please do the following:

a. Click on "Start", "Settings", then "Control Panel".
b. Double click on the "System" icon.
c. Click on the "Device Manger" tab.
d. In the "Device Manager" click on the plus (+) sign next to "Sound, Video and Game Controllers". Verify there is a listing for "Gameport Joystick". If there is no listing for "Gameport Joystick", please request Customer Support Document #3506, "Installing on Computers Without Gameports" for information on adding the gameport driver.

Reinstall DirectX

The Logitech Wingman Software requires Microsoft DirectX version 7.0A or higher for detection of Logitech gaming devices. If an earlier version of DirectX is installed or if the installed version is damaged, the gaming device properties will show the device as "Not Connected" in Game Controllers. Please try reinstalling DirectX. For an update to DirectX, please download the latest version from the Microsoft web site.

Install an HID-compliant game controller driver (Windows 98 Only)

In some cases, installing HID-compliant game controller driver will resolve detection issues. To install this driver, please do the following:

1. Click "Start", "Settings" and "Control Panel".
2. Double click on the "Game Controllers" icon.
3. Click "Add" and then click "Add Other..."
4. On the left side of the window, select "standard game device".
5. On the right side of the window, select "HID-compliant game controller".
6. Click "Next" and then "Finish".
7. Close the Game Controllers properties and restart the system.

Test the device on another system

If the above steps did not identify the problem, then it is possible that the joystick is defective. Try testing the joystick on another system. Be sure to install the Logitech WingMan Software on the test system as the drivers are required for the joystick to be detected. If the joystick fails on the test system, it may be defective. Exchange the joystick at the point of purchase if it is within 30 days of the purchase date. If you have had the joystick for more than 30 days, please contact Logitech Customer Support to request an RMA (Return Merchandise Authorization) number.


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posted 11-20-2000 08:39 PM     Profile for Spawnbob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Summary of Posts so far , even if u have a USB that works fine fill in this poll so we can see exactly what the problem is.

LOGITECH

Mr Nice guy - Logitech wingman extreme
Only one minor problem, can't get the throttle to 100% only 83% and can't get it to 0% the lowest value I can get it is 20%


SuperDank -Logitech WingMan 3D
No Problems

MICROSOFT

Raith MS Precision Pro 2 and Logitech Wingman Force 3D
problems i assume with both

BadgerDog same as Raith

Zero G - Microsoft Precision Pro USB
No problems

Encryption - MS Force Feedback 2
No problems


SAITEK

John J - Saitek X36 stick and throttle
No problems

Calvinman - Saitek USB
No problems

Stewie - Saitek X36 with throttle
No Problems

[This message has been edited by Spawnbob (edited 11-20-2000).]


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Mick
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posted 11-21-2000 11:09 PM     Profile for Mick   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Upon browsing through the threads and experiencing the maddening USB problem myself, it appears that the one prodcut that cannot be fixed is the Microsoft Sidewinder Precision 2 USB. It appears that this stick is simply uncompatible with the game. It is amazing that the developer has not fixed it yet since this is by far one of the most popular and wide spread sticks on the market right now.
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posted 11-23-2000 10:38 AM     Profile for Hatch   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
++ What USB Joystick do u have?
Saitek X36 (also used Wingman Extreme Digital)

++ What operating System are u using?
Win 98SE

++ What patch version of EECH are u using?
1.4.5x

++ What Joystick Software are u running?
SGE 1.4

++ Do u have a USB Problem?
No

++ What Joystick Driver Version do u have?
4.88.00.0400

++ What USB Driver Version do u have?
VIA tech PCI to USB 3038
4.10.2223

++ What version of Direct X do u have?
8.0 (no issues with 7.0a, either)

++ What are the symptons of the problem?
No issues

++ What USB BIOS settings do u have
look for USB assign IRQ
USB Resources controlled by OS / BIOS?
I have a lame-o bios that does not allow tweaking of the settings (Compaq PC)


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Saitek Cyborg 3D USB
Win 98 SE
1.4.5X
Very latest Saitek Gaming Extension (contains latest drivers)
No Problem
DX8
Asus K7M VIA-tech PCI to USB 3038 on IRQ10 shared with SBLive.
USB resources controlled by OS/BIOS

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posted 11-23-2000 12:52 PM     Profile for BoomBoom   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
What USB Joystick do u have
MS FF2
What operating System are u using
Win98se
What patch version of EECH are u using
1.4.5x
What Joystick Software are u running
V4
Do u have a USB Problem
yes
What Joystick Driver Version do u have
4.08.00.0400 (MSJSTICK.DRV)
What USB Driver Version do u have
4.10.2222 (hidusb.sys)
What version of Direct X do u have
8
What are the symptons of the problem
look stright up in EECH
What USB BIOS settings do u have
USB assign IRQ
tried both, no difference
USB Resources controlled by OS / BIOS
n/a

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i will be posting any stuff i find on USB / directinput / Joysticks most will most probaly be meanlingless , useless or totally off the problem but u never know.

from DX 7 SDK

Human Interface Device (HID) is a class under the universal serial bus (USB) standard. DirectInput provides full support for devices that conform with HID.

Getting data from HID devices is substantially the same as from traditional devices. In addition, HID devices can accept output: for example, you can turn the keyboard LEDs on and off.

By querying a HID device, DirectInput can determine its usage page and usage. These are predefined codes that give information about the type and subtype of the device.

HID controls are grouped in collections. Collections can be nested.

For more information about HID, see http://www.usb.org.

Built on Thursday, September 02, 1999

Applications can use the wUsagePage and wUsage members to obtain additional information about how the object was designed to be used. For example, if wUsagePage has the value 0x02 (vehicle controls) and wUsage has the value 0xB9 (elevator trim), the object was designed to be the elevator trim control on a flightstick. A flight simulator application can use this information to provide more reasonable defaults for objects on the device. HID usage codes are determined by the USB standards committee.


Also some tools from www.usb.org on USB device complience
http://www.usb.org/developers/usbfaq.html#sig3 http://www.usb.org/developers/data/usbcomp.exe http://www.usb.org/developers/data/dt2_4.zip

There seem to be some important factors such as signal intergrity and power supply for USB devices.

But at the moment i can think of these cause.


  • Joystick Drivers are wonky
  • USB Drivers/ MOBO confiuration causing erronous signals.
  • USB Drivers causing misinterpretation of Device State
  • EECH not performing the correct checks and balances of devices thus explaining why it works in other game.

I think we need to find a MS Precesion Pro USB owner who has it working fine with EECH. then if we find this person we then know that the problem is something particular to the users system with MS Precisions that dont work.
So i figure that Saitek sticks work fine.
So we need results from USB sticks from logitech and MS the ones with the problems with EECH.

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posted 11-23-2000 01:39 PM     Profile for Spawnbob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The seems to be a prob with VIA mobos and Force feedback USB sticks here is the driver for it. Im not sure what the problem is but it might be related

MS FF VIA USB PATCH
http://www.usbman.com/WebDrivers/MS%20Force%20VIA%20Patch/swff2qfe1.exe

USBMAN

http://www.usbman.com/Win2000.htm

VIA MOBO / USB Problems READ
http://www.usbman.com/Guides/VIA%20Tips%20and%20Tricks.htm

USB Forum
http://www.usb.org/forums/retail/webboard.html

MS compatability list USB / W2k
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/upgrade/compat/search/devices.asp

Logitech WingMan Software 3.62 ( Latest Version ) http://www.wingmanteam.com/Latest_Software/Latest_Software_98/latest_software_98.htm

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posted 11-23-2000 09:11 PM     Profile for Spawnbob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Plz read
http://www.combatsim.com/ubb/Forum51/HTML/001539.html


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posted 11-24-2000 08:53 AM     Profile for KVwint   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
wint
quote:
Originally posted by Spawnbob:
k lets sort this USB problem out once and for all, we need a survey on who has USB what Stick they got, drivers etc.

Fill this in even if u dont have a USB problem but have a USB stick

[b]What USB Joystick do u have
CH products Gamestick 3D USB. First time I've seen this one on this site.

What operating System are u using
Windows 98 SE.

What patch version of EECH are u using
1.41 C

What Joystick Software are u running
Packaged with the joystick.

Do u have a USB Problem
Yes. The "view pan up and stick" problem.

What Joystick Driver Version do u have
Don't have a # but it's the most recent from CH.

What USB Driver Version do u have
(2)USB root hub Microsoft 4.10.2222 4/23/99.
(2)Via Tech 3038 PCI to USB UHC.

What version of Direct X do u have
Direct x8.0


for Driver version look in System Device Manager and say ver or date of driver.


What are the symptons of the problem
External view stuck in up position, stick doesn't work even though specified by game.
Keyboard control only.


What USB BIOS settings do u have
look for USB assign IRQ
USB Resources controlled by OS / BIOS

Only settings I see in setup are two places where usb is enabled.

What I can't understand is the fact that this stick was automatically detected and specified in the device slot for control options and yet it still doesn't work. Talonsoft told me when I contacted them that
only the Microsoft joysticks were tested with this game. Why would they include a specification in their game for a joystick they haven't even tested??


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putting it up top again and i will till this sorted , so start filling it in. USB Joysticks owners with and without problems
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posted 11-29-2000 02:07 PM     Profile for Martillo1     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Same than BoomBoom

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fd

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posted 11-29-2000 08:22 PM     Profile for Greggy_D   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Spawnbob....

Problem with MS Sidewinder USB Stick v2 AND Ch Combatstick USB.

Running both Win98SE and WinME (at separate times, of course).

Latest sidewinder drivers, latest CH drivers.

Latest EECH patch.

Both sticks work correctly with EVERY other game.

Tried with both DX7a and DX8.

I really think it's related to the VIA 133A chipset (which I have). Latest VIA USB drivers and VIA driver filter loaded also.

View goes straight up with both sticks all the time with any OS, any driver, etc.

Like I said, I think it's the VIA chipset. Concentrate on the VIA chipset!!!! Hope this helps.

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yep there are problems with USB and the VIA chip

go to www.usbman.com for more


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Same configuration as SUPERDANK.

Logitech Wingman Force 3D.
Bundled Drivers with the stick.
Latest patch downloaded.
Windows ME.
No USB problems at all! Works like a charm!


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posted 12-03-2000 03:34 PM     Profile for wildstyle24_7   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
If anyone's still reading...

What USB Joystick do u have

Thrustmaster Top Gun (like the Top Gun Platinum, but w/o the throttle wheel).

What operating System are u using

Win 98 SE

What patch version of EECH are u using

1.4.5.X

What Joystick Software are u running

Just the drivers in Win98, revision 2.

Do u have a USB Problem

Oh yeah! View pointing straight up, no control through the stick.

What Joystick Driver Version do u have

Revision 2

What USB Driver Version do u have

4.10.2222

What version of Direct X do u have

DirectX Version: DirectX 7.0 (4.07.00.0716)

What are the symptons of the problem

See above - view up and no control through stick.

What USB BIOS settings do u have
look for USB assign IRQ
USB Resources controlled by OS / BIOS

Controlled by BIOS, iirc, Assign IRQ to USB?

Bit more info;

Motherboard is a Gigabyte GA686BX, with an Intel 440 BX chipset. I have a USB mouse too, which I tried removing (though there might be some kind of conflict) with no effect. The stick works fine in EAW and Mig Alley. I hope to get a Saitek combo in the new year, so if that works in EECH on the USB connector, I'll post again to let you guys know.

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posted 12-04-2000 06:28 PM     Profile for ratskrad   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Saitek x36/x35 digital usb

SGE 1.4

win98se

DX 8

eech 1.45

Belkin 4 port hub

No problems what so ever.


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posted 12-04-2000 07:19 PM     Profile for Spawnbob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
'LOBO' just got a X36 Saitek and has noticed the usual problem ( view pointing up ) whats weird about this is the X36 so far has been trouble free and is one of the USB sticks that does work.
Whys this important well we know that lobo has a stick that works with EECH but it's not on his system. So if we can find why and get it to work on his computer i think we might have the solution here.
The more we gointo this the more im convinced that the solution is easy and it just a matter of time. There something interfering with USB sticks and EECH.
I suspect the motherboard , it's Windows drivers and USB drivers this is the 2nd stick the other being the Logitech Wingman 3D where we have people who have it working with EECH and others not.

Now we have 3 possibilties
The Stick - discounted 1 make can work and not work

EECH - there onyl 1 version the patches shouldnt have anything to do with it. Unless like in the case with falcon where FF was broke in 1.08 from 1.07. I have to check whether the patch version is important but i doubt it.

Motherboard - Driver versions - this is where the greatest differances lies.

As a question is the USB 2.0 standard out and implemented in Motherboards and maybe is this important if so , i.e USB 2.0 compliment mobos being the problematic ones.
Keep filling the post out , maybe even if we cant get it RW might be able to see the problem from the details here.


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posted 12-04-2000 11:22 PM     Profile for Mick   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Reading through the posts it looks like the Saitek line is the most stable, so I went out and bought a Saitek Cyborg 3D Gold USB. and Wella!! It works perfectly. My Sidewinder Precision 2 had the view hat stuck in the sky problem. I have an Athlon TBird on a ASUS A7v. Clearly the Microsoft Precision 2's don't work. By the way, the Cybord 3D Gold is really growing on me, a much better feeling, and much more programable stick than the MS Precision 2. I highly recommend it.
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quote:
Originally posted by Spawnbob:
'LOBO' just got a X36 Saitek and has noticed the usual problem ( view pointing up ) whats weird about this is the X36 so far has been trouble free and is one of the USB sticks that does work.

Spawnbob, does lobo say whether the stick works through the gameport conection (as I understand it the X36 combo has gameport and USB)? I'm considering investing in one, but if the gameport connector won't work in EECH either, I'll have to rethink that.

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posted 12-05-2000 06:12 AM     Profile for ^LoBo^   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have not yet tried it through the gameport. I am in the process of a full windows install and I am going to try to figure out why I am having these issues in EECH. I am sure it will work with the gameport interface though. I'll post back later today or tomorrow and keep you updated.
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quote:
Originally posted by ^LoBo^:
I am sure it will work with the gameport interface though. I'll post back later today or tomorrow and keep you updated.

Much appreciated Lobo, thanks for your trouble.

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posted 12-05-2000 02:27 PM     Profile for ^LoBo^   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I got my saitek x-36 combo to work!!!

I just deleted all of the old joystick files and installed the latest beta drivers for saitek and it works flawlessly with dx8

It is to bad that I don't have a hint for all you other guys that are having trouble with other usb-sticks.

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posted 12-05-2000 08:56 PM     Profile for Stewie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
To Wildstyle: I ran my saitek through the sound card, the rotaries didn't work!
I got me a new mobo and chip, USB. Rotaries work fine now.

Spawnbob, in my device manger/hardware, I got a VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller. Is this what you guys mean by the Via chipset? If so, mine IS working OK.


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What USB Joystick do u have
Saitek X36

What operating System are u using
Windows 98 with Service Pack 1 update

What patch version of EECH are u using
1.4.5x

What Joystick Software are u running
Saitek Gaming Extensions 1.4

Do u have a USB Problem
Not only no, but he!! no

What Joystick Driver Version do u have
Don't know

What USB Driver Version do u have
Don't know

What version of Direct X do u have
DirectX 7.0a


What are the symptons of the problem
Microsoft is getting greedy and won't fix Windows


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posted 12-07-2000 05:48 PM     Profile for o0-Potemkin-0o   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mick:
By the way, the Cybord 3D Gold is really growing on me, a much better feeling, and much more programable stick than the MS Precision 2. I highly recommend it.

I broke 3 cyborg sticks, in the same place each time, the shaft at the bottom of the handle is just too thin and weedy if you find yourself giving the stick a good workout.


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