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Editor
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posted 08-08-2000 12:13 PM     Profile for Editor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
To All our Readers:

Things didn't work out with Empire they way we were told they would. We have an oft-stated policy regarding dedicated forums that we had to adhere.

This Friday, all topics will be moved to the Helo forum and the EECH section will be closed.

I can only imagine how annoyed you all must feel about this, but if you want to get mad at someone, please get mad at Empire not us.


Sincerely,

Ed Reddy
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posted 08-08-2000 12:52 PM     Profile for plummerx   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Annoyed isn't the word for it. i had no idea that these forums were little more than an advertising revenue gimmick. I had suspected so by the continued presence of the gunship forum.
As for you "oft stated policy" I have never seen or, nor care too. Your policy puts the chicken ahead of the egg.
It also put combatsim.com's credability in the gutter.
1st those Gunship! reviews and previews, followed by that banner ad that flew above these forums for so long.
It is understandable that combatsim would want to have a site that produces revenues. This however should be soley based on it's abilities to draw hits and sell advertising, and not the manipulation of it's audience.
In the end IT IS combatsim's decision, and combatsim should take the credit or the critisism, not empire.

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posted 08-08-2000 12:57 PM     Profile for Halo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
AAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Terrible...

Could we make two rules then:

1. Every topic regarding EECH in the Helo forum should start with EECH. That way we don't have to read stuff about other sims...

2. Anyone knows about another dedicated EECH forum? Maybe we should all go there and leave a message about this (once a week) in the Helo sim here.

Well, how about it?

[This message has been edited by Halo (edited 08-08-2000).]


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Mr Bigglesworth
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posted 08-08-2000 01:00 PM     Profile for Mr Bigglesworth   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Go to SIMHQ.COM They have an EECH forum there and they don't charge companies for letting people talk about their games.
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posted 08-08-2000 01:06 PM     Profile for PositiveG   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Four things.

1) It's Combatsim.com's and to be frank, they can do what they like, end of story. I'm not paying their bandwidth bill so I don't feel like it's OK to bitch about a FREE service.

2) Combatsim.com, why didn't you line things up with Empire BEFORE creating the forum? That would have been easier. Lesson learned?

3) Thanks Mr. B for the SimHQ tip.

4) These web conference rooms are great (this coming from an Net News bigot). Anyone can set one up, its easy. I may just have to do that.


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posted 08-08-2000 01:14 PM     Profile for Thomas AV8R Spann   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Perhaps a compromise can be struck...

Have a sub folder under HELOS as EECH or call it SPAWNBOB for all I care. But give us the ability to separate one sim from another even if its under a generic heading.

If you dont, youll give the readers no recourse other than to go to a more dedicated forum site. Twisting sim developers arms to pay the light bill only hurts everyone in the end. We are losing them by the bushel.

Its CSIM's loss, not Empire's or the readers.
Think about it.

AV8R


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posted 08-08-2000 01:17 PM     Profile for Hatch   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I can't say that I'm happy about it, but you are in business and offering this to us for free, so I do understand.

Thank you for allowing us a venue for discussing our passion, sims. Also, thanks for maintaining this site and its high quality.


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posted 08-08-2000 01:33 PM     Profile for Decca   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Halo,
SimHQ is a very friendly board
and has a dedicated EECH forum.
It wont get pulled out from under your feet either...
Decca

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posted 08-08-2000 01:54 PM     Profile for Tony Piech   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Dear Editor/Moderator, I''m confused can you please tell us what your "oft-stated policy regarding dedicated forums that we had to adhere" is. I wasn't aware of this policy, can you plese tell us what it is? Thank you.

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posted 08-08-2000 02:12 PM     Profile for HarryM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Editor:

Why don't you just rename it and everyone will still know what it is?

Like:

"Enema Entrapped: Cockroaches vs. Holograms"

or

"That Certain unmentionable Helo-Sim forum"


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posted 08-08-2000 03:04 PM     Profile for Bozz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You guys make me sick. Combatsim is a company and owes you nothing. Are you paying the service charges, bandwidth bills, or their staff? No! And now you all have the balls to call them scum acting in a strict business manner. Hey, it's their board and they can do what ever they want with it. Even close it down. What would you do if they closed combatsim because they were sick of all this self-righteous attitude? Didn't you stumps ever hear 'don't bite the hand that feeds you'?

Besides, Combatsim is not a fan site, it's a company. And as a company, they make decisions based on business practices you will find almost anywhere.

Here is what I can figure out from my searches in the Site Feedback. combatsim's title-specific forums are sponsored. We were all asking for an EECH forum many weeks ago and we got one. Before putting it up, Douglas said that the forums were sponsored by the vendor, in this case, Empire. If combatsim took down the EECH forum, then Empire must of reneged on the sponsorship. So blaming combatsim is wrong. Blame empire.

Now, if Admin could get in here and explain what happened, I would be happy to hear his side of the story.

Bozz

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posted 08-08-2000 03:06 PM     Profile for Judge     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Are Hasbro still paying for the EAW and Falcon 4.0 forums? If not and if you're consistent in the application of your policy, those two forums should be removed as well.
S.

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posted 08-08-2000 03:19 PM     Profile for Blond_Knight     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
OK we know its all about money, but you honestly dont expect us to believe that MP is still "supporting" Gunship, or that DI is still supporting DISH. This sim has the greatest potential to bring more traffic to the CS site, and hopefully money through Ad's, etc.

I wonder what will replace the EECH forum...a Luftwaffe Commander forum perhaps?

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posted 08-08-2000 03:30 PM     Profile for Redneck   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well I never!!

Now I know where all the upbeat reports of EECH came from.

There should be a policy posted as to how this web site is run so its readers can take it with a grain of salt.

Simhq you say....I'm out of here.


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posted 08-08-2000 06:44 PM     Profile for Kensho   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote

What's the oft-stated policy or, more specifically, where is it? That a title-specific forum be sponsored by...? Whom? An officer of a company? An employee? A stock-holder, perchance?

- Kensho

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posted 08-08-2000 07:09 PM     Profile for Greggy_D   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I don't know how to take this.....either:

1. Combatsim charges for dedicated forums

OR

2. Empire does not allow Combatsim to name a forum after EECH


If it's situation #1, that's absolute BS on Combatsim's part.

If it's situation #2, then screw you Empire, that's twice you ass rammed me. My USB CH Combatstick STILL doesn't work in your sim. I have ZERO hours (let alone minutes) of flight time.

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posted 08-08-2000 09:00 PM     Profile for R-a-t-t-l-e-r   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
That's covering all the bases!

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posted 08-08-2000 09:11 PM     Profile for K6_Scorp   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It's true that SIMHQ.com has a great site and I'm sure they'd like to keep the forum flamer/whiner-free, so all you kids that feel the need to cry, please do it here and don't take it to SIMHQ.
Thanks

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sigh. i wonder if there will ever be a time when someone can complain without being called a crybaby. damn those people who complain about microsoft being a monopoly, theyre just cry babies. oh yeah, and so are those people who dont like bad cars
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posted 08-08-2000 10:39 PM     Profile for Bozz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well good morning to you - the person who likes to hide behind the anonymous name. I don't know what is worse, guys who get on and complain about the complainers or the chickens who hide behind unregistered accounts.

If you guys want, check out the Site Feedback. By the way Douglas described the situation, there is light at the end of the EECH forum (yay!).

As for the rest of you who like to do nothing but sit back, and join the fight by throwing in comments from the sidelines, shut up and appreciate what this site does for us. Bring us all together under one roof to discuss our love for flight simulators. I think apologies are in order.

Bozz


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Just because someone does not register doesn't make them a coward. I'm sorry but, Sniper69, or Spike_55th isn't anymore couragous than someone chosing not to register. This is a forum in cyberspace....there is no cowardice here.

Anyone can register a name..big deal. It doesnt hide the fact that you can put any name down you wish.


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posted 08-08-2000 10:55 PM     Profile for Swampthing   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
ROFL bozz, that's the stupidest most idiotic comment i've ever seen. He's a coward because he posted anonymously? ROFL, you think my real name is Swampthing? Any clue how old I am? What I do for a living? No? Guess i'm posting pretty anonymously then aren't I? Combatsims policy is crap. And we've seen this policy rear it's head before but this by far is the worst offense. Removing a forum because empire chose not to buy advertising space is just crap. Later combatsim. Not like there was anything good here but the forums anyhow. Besides i've long questioned whether or not their reviews worked on the same principle as their board forums.
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posted 08-09-2000 01:39 AM     Profile for Cuervo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Owes nothing? Without us there wouldn't be a combatsim.com. So I think they owe us a ton!


quote:
Originally posted by Bozz:
You guys make me sick. Combatsim is a company and owes you nothing. Are you paying the service charges, bandwidth bills, or their staff? No! And now you all have the balls to call them scum acting in a strict business manner. Hey, it's their board and they can do what ever they want with it. Even close it down. What would you do if they closed combatsim because they were sick of all this self-righteous attitude? Didn't you stumps ever hear 'don't bite the hand that feeds you'?

Besides, Combatsim is not a fan site, it's a company. And as a company, they make decisions based on business practices you will find almost anywhere.

Here is what I can figure out from my searches in the Site Feedback. combatsim's title-specific forums are sponsored. We were all asking for an EECH forum many weeks ago and we got one. Before putting it up, Douglas said that the forums were sponsored by the vendor, in this case, Empire. If combatsim took down the EECH forum, then Empire must of reneged on the sponsorship. So blaming combatsim is wrong. Blame empire.

Now, if Admin could get in here and explain what happened, I would be happy to hear his side of the story.

Bozz

[This message has been edited by Bozz (edited 08-08-2000).]


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I'd clear your six, but I'm having a little trouble of my own right now...


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posted 08-09-2000 03:29 AM     Profile for Howz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hmmm, this is all a bit rubbish. Empire, eh? Does this mean that we can expect the disappearance of the Mig Alley forum too?


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posted 08-09-2000 06:04 AM     Profile for Syndrome   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Is this forum in any way linked to radio 2UE. Sorry..... Australian joke.
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posted 08-09-2000 06:11 PM     Profile for AndyC   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Cuervo:
Owes nothing? Without us there wouldn't be a combatsim.com. So I think they owe us a ton!




That pretty much says it all. Combatsim really need to think about reviewing thier policy. SimHQ was it?

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posted 08-09-2000 07:29 PM     Profile for Beltfed   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sheesh.

Gentlemen and near approximates,

What's with the amount of hostility here? No one is expected to be happy with the announcement made here but the sheer nastiness of some of the posters is really somewhat outta line. Please register your discontent civilly and leave the extraneous stuff outta the AO. Yes it sucks that this folder may have to be consolidated with another but the finger pointing is uncalled for.

Now everybody step away from their keyboards and keep their hands where I can see them and have a good day!

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posted 08-10-2000 09:49 AM     Profile for Skater   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I don't know who this nice guy is pretending to be Beltfed...

The Beltfed I know is a foul-mouthed dirt-eater... err.. Army puke, that calls me Navy Bitch at every 718th TFW NetMeet.

Geez Beltfat, that new girlie of yours is sure doing a mindscrew on ya! So when ya going to Ikea to pick out your new furniture!

-Skater


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posted 08-10-2000 02:10 PM     Profile for The Whistler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
If they don't get money from this then there is no more csim.

P.S. Sim hq's forums sucked the last time i checked. The EAW forum there has 3 posts, ick. Compared to tens of thousands here 3 posts is sad. And how do you know they don't use the exact same methods as csim?


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posted 08-10-2000 02:35 PM     Profile for The Whistler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
See, maybe SIMHQ does the same thing and just doesn't tell the public.


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posted 08-10-2000 03:20 PM     Profile for Spawnbob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Simhq does not operate like Combatsim. the issue here is not advertising but that existence of dedicated forums is dependant upon advertising revenue from the publishers.

Also there is a distrubing fact the Combatsim gave Gunship a glowing review of Gunship while every single other review of it has been accurate for what it is.
What made this worse was at the same time as the review Combatsim was full of banner advertisemen's for Gunship.

Simhq is smaller and the new Forums have just been started but really it doesnt matter if you post in one place or another to the reader to the site it does.
The point is that the Simhg dedicated forums will not be taken down if the devleoper/publisher doesnt advertise with them. The new forums at simhq are not there as a result of advertisement revneue but to increase the content of Simhq.


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posted 08-10-2000 03:21 PM     Profile for Mantra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I think SimHQ just put up the EAW forum yesterday, didn't they?

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posted 08-10-2000 04:15 PM     Profile for Outlaw   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Whoops wrong forum...

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posted 08-10-2000 05:25 PM     Profile for Blond_Knight     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You hit that nail right on the head SB, after I read Csim's review of Gunship...and finished scratching my head saying "what the Hell?", it became clear that any reviews done by Csim could in fact be advertisments, and would have to be viewed with a large grain of salt.

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posted 08-10-2000 07:31 PM     Profile for goanna   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"Is this forum in any way linked to radio 2UE. Sorry..... Australian joke."

You have hit the nail on the head there mate...

This is J. Laws, thankyou, and good day..


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posted 08-10-2000 08:32 PM     Profile for Beltfed   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sheesh! What is that smell? Smells like old dead shellfish! Now Special Ed, here's the 411, the intel, the straight skinny. With this crew I don't usually have to repeat myself and speak loudly and slowly like people do to you. When you someday emerge into the real world from that special little place known as "My Parent's House" ya might learn that there are times when one should temper ones remarks for greater effect. Again as a breech loading, harbor queen you might not be used to that august treatment. But we can only hope that the medication takes. Yer ever lovin' NCOIC. BTW what are you posting here for? I don't recall squeezing yer head. Yer Dismissed, Navy Bean


quote:
Originally posted by Skater:
I don't know who this nice guy is pretending to be Beltfed...

The Beltfed I know is a foul-mouthed dirt-eater... err.. Army puke, that calls me Navy Bitch at every 718th TFW NetMeet.

Geez Beltfat, that new girlie of yours is sure doing a mindscrew on ya! So when ya going to Ikea to pick out your new furniture!

-Skater


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[This message has been edited by Beltfed (edited 08-10-2000).]


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posted 08-11-2000 10:23 AM     Profile for Bozz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
combatsim's review of Gunship was enlightening? Are you sure you read part 2 Spawnbob?

quote:
Unlike Falcon 4.0, a previous victim of Hasbro's cost cutting, there is unlikely to be the support for trying to fix Gunship! in the user community that has arisen for Falcon 4.0. My advice is to wait three months until Gunship! finds its way into the bargain bins. Pick it up cheap and have a ball.

I call that a slap in the face personally, but what do I know. I'm only a guy who knows nothing about military hardware

Fact is, just one of combatsim's forums has more posts daily than the entire simhq site. Personally, I'm going to stick around for a while unless combatsim pisses me off, then I'll grip about it, tell them I'm never coming back, call them bad names on the usenet, then come back quitely after a few weeks hoping no one notices how stupid I sounded back then.

But then again, what do I know?

Bozz


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posted 08-11-2000 11:59 AM     Profile for Spawnbob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
hmmm, something tells me that review has been editied since it's first incaration. As when it first appeared it was glowing. hehe maybe im just crazy but now the Gunship banners have gone , you know the rest.
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this of course could be my imagination. Also i wont hide and come back later. If CSIM keep up EECH forum then i will post there, if they dont i wont post in the Helos section.
People might not think it's important but if the 'Preimier ' sim site cant have a dedicated forum, what does this say to people consirdering buying EECH.

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posted 08-11-2000 01:13 PM     Profile for Skater   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beltfed:
Sheesh! What is that smell? Smells like old dead shellfish! Now Special Ed, here's the 411, the intel, the straight skinny. With this crew I don't usually have to repeat myself and speak loudly and slowly like people do to you. When you someday emerge into the real world from that special little place known as "My Parent's House" ya might learn that there are times when one should temper ones remarks for greater effect. Again as a breech loading, harbor queen you might not be used to that august treatment. But we can only hope that the medication takes. Yer ever lovin' NCOIC. BTW what are you posting here for? I don't recall squeezing yer head. Yer Dismissed, Navy Bean



Now THAT'S the Beltfed I know! Heheheheheh!

Just making sure all was still right in the world.

BTW, bite me Dirt Damsel!

-Skater


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