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Two Bells
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posted 07-12-2000 05:03 AM     Profile for Two Bells   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi All

I am having real trouble surviving F16's.
I can neither take out nor avoid the beasts ever...
Their missiles find me no matter where I hide or NOE and MY armaments don't have the range :-(
Any ideas?
Please mail me with suggestions


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Humpty
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posted 07-12-2000 06:11 AM     Profile for Humpty   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I always load up with as many laser guided hellfires as I can carry. Those babies almost never miss, unless you break the lock yourself. I haven't tried a red campaign yet, so I don't know what the equivalent hokum missile is.
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posted 07-12-2000 09:12 AM     Profile for Hurc   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I was flying a solo Mi-28 and managed to avoid a pair of f-16s. It was night and raining. I landed and shut down the rotors. They flew right over me at least 3 times. I waited for them to RTB and went back to finish the mission. I think this tactic failed once when I had wingmen, since they don't land when you do. Another time I waited on the reverse side of a hill for a su-33 flight to pass. They went by and I nailed em with laser hellfires with some help from my wingmen.

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Blaze
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posted 07-12-2000 10:40 AM     Profile for Blaze   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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K6_Scorp
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posted 07-13-2000 07:43 AM     Profile for K6_Scorp   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I recall reading that from you in a previous post, Blaze. It sounds good against the AI, but I wonder if it would work against a LOAL mode launched hellfire, from a platform close to the ground. Now that I think of it, I wouldn't even have to worry about the AoA of the missle since I'm flying the Blue side...(forgot Red has no LOAL mode)

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Blaze
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posted 07-13-2000 08:46 AM     Profile for Blaze   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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awj112
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posted 07-13-2000 12:25 PM     Profile for awj112   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I've done best when I just hide from them. I usually look for a nearby hill to duck behind. Granted, it's not as much fun as hellfiring a fast mover to death but it works.
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KC23
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posted 07-14-2000 12:14 AM     Profile for KC23   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Two Bells:
Hi All

I am having real trouble surviving F16's.
I can neither take out nor avoid the beasts ever...
Their missiles find me no matter where I hide or NOE and MY armaments don't have the range :-(
Any ideas?
Please mail me with suggestions


They like your radar and or ECM. If you forget to shut off your radar or ECM they will hunt you down relentlessly. This is the tuffest part of EECH. Those fixed wingers are very dangerous.


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ShadowFox2000
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posted 07-14-2000 12:29 PM     Profile for ShadowFox2000   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
it's not very realistic to nail a fixed-wing aircraft with a Hellfire or similar missile is it?? I can't imagine that being the case, but if I'm somehow wrong, someone elighten me on it.
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Blaze
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posted 07-14-2000 04:17 PM     Profile for Blaze   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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TKorho
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posted 07-15-2000 05:39 AM     Profile for TKorho   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hellfires can hit and destroy aerial targets. As long as the tracking system on board can maintain the lock, and the missiles is agile enough to score the hit.

After all, the tracking system for the laser traker is meant to follow targets even on the move. Cars, trains etc. I know that target recoqnition (in this sense it's just image separation) is prone to faults, but to at least some extend they can track moving targets. Mostly I think the problem would be masking, sudden changes of LOS and too big LOS rate. Well, in a head on situation all those are not too bad!

The missile agility is definitely not as good as for air to air missiles, but it's flight time is quite short, so it's relatively fast object. And the missile should be manouverable enough to do the LOAL high aspect attack: ie it could be manouverable enough to hit fixed wing aircraft. What it would NOT be able to do, is manouver with the target and make lead pursuit profiles. It's guided pure to the laser spot (which hitting the actual plane is considered above).

Especially when the fighter does not consider you a threat, you could score hits with the missile. It's not dedicated for it, but it has the changes.

Against a high and fast aircraft... no way! :-) But planes attacking a chopper hardly are aiming at 500kts.

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ShadowFox2000
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posted 07-15-2000 03:18 PM     Profile for ShadowFox2000   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Alright, I see it is possible for a hellfire to take out a low and slow moving aircraft. Enough Falcon 4 makes me realize that I'm usually travelling around 250-300 knots, and 1000 feet high when engaging helicopters. So from the aircraft's point of view, they probably wouldn't even know something was even coming their way, would they? I imagine the laser designator is similar to IR missiles in being able to hit a target undetected. Ok, so is the stinger a more effective missile to fire at a fixed-wing aircraft than the hellfire? I hear much about its vulnerability to countermeasures, and I imagine hellfires can't possibly be fooled.
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