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Judge
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posted 05-24-2000 06:01 PM     Profile for Judge     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
With the Apache, I find that I need up to 95% collective just to take off. All the other helos lift off at around 60-70% depending on weight/ordnance.

If I hot seat into an Apache already in flight, I have to maintain collective at 80+% just to maintain altitude. Anything less and I eventually start losing altitude. Again, this problem only occurs in the Apache.

Haven't checked the loadout to see if it only happens when carrying a lot of ordnance and/or fuel.

Has anyone else had a similar problem?

Win98SE
Celeron533@600
256MB RAM
EECH patched, with EEAH installed

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TetsuBo
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posted 05-24-2000 09:09 PM     Profile for TetsuBo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
It's not a bug, it's a feature.
Actually the lift generated by the commanche and hokum are a bit jazzed up to enhance gameplay. The apache and havoc havn't had the same tune up, hence the difficulty at liftoff.
The apache is even harder to take-off in when you have 16 HF loaded not sure how realistic it is but this is quite a load. What you can do is taxi onto the runway and use it to gain forward speed before you take-off and getting translational lift. I usually overtorque instead.

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K6_Scorp
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posted 05-24-2000 11:05 PM     Profile for K6_Scorp   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
When I overtorque, it's usually when I'm in a hurry to get someplace...or out of someplace...in which case, the cockpit is like a freaking disco palace with the Master Caution going off and I'm too busy to shut it off... John Travolta in the Comanche

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sKiGhDoC
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posted 05-25-2000 10:57 AM     Profile for sKiGhDoC   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
required torque also varies GREATLY with altitude in this sim (great job, razorworks!) as such, i can't hover a full load of hellfires at some of these mountain top bases without over-dorking the thing, so i gotta just keep moving around at > 20kts...very cool! and dont even think about losing an engine up there, i did and had to walk home after doing a run-on landing (due to power loss) and then couldnt get it up again (ok, maybe i should rephrase that...)
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Richard 'Flexman' Hawley
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posted 05-25-2000 01:14 PM     Profile for Richard 'Flexman' Hawley   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
EECH has air density by altitude. It's described by a big table in a simple fashion rather like NASAs LaRcsim (or just about any other desktop sim for that matter).

A full anti-tank loadout does present problems for the Apache (this is why Westland wanted new Turbomecca engines for the extra power since they are required to operate from ships in warm climates).

I remember changing one setting in the Apache FM to allow for single engine flight but requiring the pilot to use transitional lift (like in Longbow 2 with one engine out and damaged rotor).

I changed a line in the Apache.dyn file to read as following:

translational_lift value = 3.000000, min = 8.000000, max = 15.000000, modifier = 0.020000

Although it has the effect of increasing the uplift of the main rotor. Easier one engine flight, more power for two engined flight.

I only doubled the last parameter of the line.

[This message has been edited by Richard 'Flexman' Hawley (edited 05-25-2000).]

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For all the Brits out there... don't know if you get the magazine "US News & World Report" over there, but they had quite a nice feature on Winston Churchill, the "last great hero". Very nice reading indeed!
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