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Desmo
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posted 11-01-2000 08:41 AM     Profile for Desmo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
What happened to Digital Integration, have they given up completely after the Superhornet desaster ? I remember they had plans for Tornado II and/or a Harrier Sim. All cancelled ?

Desmo


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Gavin Bennett
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posted 11-01-2000 09:32 PM     Profile for Gavin Bennett   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hmmm, that, dream amongst simmers, has been silent for some time now. DI haven't said that they wont give us these things, but they haven't confirmed that they will either. Its a pity, because DISH is pretty cool, all things considered!

Gavin


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posted 11-02-2000 08:56 AM     Profile for Tracer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Where they not in the process of being taken over by another company?
I'm sure after the terrible sales of Super Hornet they were in the process of a take over-hence the binned dynamic campaign add-on.
Was it Interplay...? hmmm can't remember.
Whatever, i'm sure something was afoot

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Gavin Bennett
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posted 11-02-2000 09:20 AM     Profile for Gavin Bennett   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Titus.

Hmmm. I can't really see the point of buying a Flight sim company with some classics like Tornado and Hind under their belts and not expecting them to make sims.

Well, no official word has emanated from anywhere... sooo, lets see what happens.

Gavin


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posted 11-02-2000 03:13 PM     Profile for Jedi Master   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Just ask Hasbro about Microprose!!
The Jedi Master

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posted 11-02-2000 05:18 PM     Profile for h.arrier   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Apart from f16 combat pilot and birds of prey
(ok,ok, f19,f15,gunship,f117,falcon,choplifter and a few others before and after)
tornado WAS the sim...tfx came and watched with better graphics but tornado rocked..tornado..shooting down a valley at 200ft..**** , radar contact six o'clock!Drop lower, hug contors, hit throttle and decide wether to shoot your load..okay, bandit has lost contact, you still have a couple of 2,000lbs for that has site...aaa ahead..press insert and delete and watch from the nav (wso) station as the tracer follows the path of your jet..the target is ahead..a hind pops up and slides under the nose..your not low enough!!fire an alarm in loiter pop up mode and settle back into the valley..too late your target pops up, **** ..no weapons preped!!Fxxx! Scan the keyboard...press three keys in quick series..drop on release que..Boom!!!! no time (or view) to admire the damage..throttle to the stop ..sam..look left..there it is , 2 o'clock..throw aircraft to left and rip down a crease in the land ..smile as you hear a 'crump' and see the sam destruct a while from your hide.
The rwr pops to life again..su-27..oh noooo!
Where is the cap you positioned in the mission planner?F.3's..come and engage..He is still there, stuck to your six like a home sick sweetcorn piece. He shoots, he scores! christ! Alarms are ringing, you feel hit, the screen rocks, so you go to an outside view..your green tornado now trails a not unconvincing trail of smoke..oh, bugger...we're still flying, the dials say you have lost an engine, your wings won't sweep forward and you cant get your gear down....oooooowwww!Ils kicks in when your in range of the field, your mind imagines(and hopes) that the RAF fire fighters are waiting
and your aeroplane follows the beacon down onto the flightpath..a hundred feet from the runway your tornado reverts to manual and you settle to the asphalt like a shot pidgeon..thank God you hit your target....

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tony draper
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posted 11-02-2000 06:00 PM     Profile for tony draper   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Amen to that Harrier, best sim ever in my book, spent more time on that sim than any since, it almost got a mention in my divorce.
how the hell did they get all that on two floppies.wish someone would buy it up tweek the graphics a bit and release it again, sigh, tony d

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posted 11-03-2000 08:02 AM     Profile for Tracer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
h.arrier i'm *still* playing Tornado! and i have just reinstaled TFX,Hind,F-16 and Dawn Patrol........man you just can't get past those retro day's I just spin my chair round and play it on me old P200 .Then burl it around again and i'll be playing (soon) B-17II on me PIII500!

It's all about gameplay eh guys? remember the shudder if you had the wing config wrong?
Or TFXs "It looks like the lizard" when you locked on to an enemy plane?


aaaah pipe and slipper time

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posted 11-03-2000 09:09 AM     Profile for arrow   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
A lot of people from the "old" DI went out and founded Razorworks.
If you will ever try Enemy Engaged: Comanche vs. Hokum, you`ll find the same old attention to detail that you found in Tornado or F16 Combat Pilot or Hind.
The "current" DI is no longer the "old" DI.
So be advised and expect from Razorworks (and not Titus/DI) what you expected from the old DI.

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Turbo
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posted 11-04-2000 01:03 PM     Profile for Turbo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
F-16 Combat Pilot, Hind, Apache, Tornado, F-16 FF etc are all great examples of a great sim company, DI. DISH would've been the absolute supreme champ in sims if DI was allowed to have their way.
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tony draper
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posted 11-04-2000 01:13 PM     Profile for tony draper   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
F16 combat pilot was well ahead of its time, first to feature multi player, first with helicopters , good GCA, and the landing and roll out rumble still have not been bettered.
I remember i used to load up with AA ordinance, get about seven kills before i bought the farm,you could evetualy get total control of the air and them go on to stuff the opposition.
and if i remember correctly all that on one floppy,ahh, sigh,tsk tsk tsk...tony d
ps, tornado don,t get me started on that.

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Turbo
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posted 11-05-2000 06:21 AM     Profile for Turbo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I agree with you Tony D, especially about that takeoff/landing rumble (and engine sound during landing). That was really an awesome sim. In fact I still have the original, box and all. Yes it's a one disk program. That dynamic campaign (together with Tornado) has never been beat, not in my book.
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h.arrier
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posted 11-06-2000 04:14 PM     Profile for h.arrier   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
True, true

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posted 11-06-2000 07:13 PM     Profile for The Whistler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
arrow,
Hasn't Razorworks given up sims as well?? I would love to see them do a Tornado or A-10 sim. F-15E would be nice as well.

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posted 11-07-2000 03:33 AM     Profile for Spock   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Razorworks' mistake was doing chopper sims IMHO. They should've made a jet sim. It's a real pity that DI is dead.
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h.arrier
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posted 11-08-2000 10:44 AM     Profile for h.arrier   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Tracer,
do you have to edit your config to get it working? On win98 it used to get to the planning screen and when i pressed 'take off' it crashed....and I swore. Very loudly! The demo that I found ran, so why wouldn't the game? Also, the desert storm missions were excelent, especially LGB'ing the dictators hotel swimming pool, although the F.3 was a bag of wank against anything....

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Desmo
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posted 11-09-2000 10:47 AM     Profile for Desmo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Too bad all the creative people are gone from DI and Razorworks is doing other stuff.
What about an RAF Sim with several planes from several decades (from maybe the Hawker Hunter via Harrier, Tornado, etc. to Eurofighter). All in USAF style, just with better flight models, more intelligent wingmen and a bit more sophisticated avionics.
Oh well, just daydreaming ....

D.


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h.arrier
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posted 11-09-2000 10:57 AM     Profile for h.arrier   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Good thinking that man. What a sim! Think you could find room for a buccaner and phantom, or even a jaguar? Forget your modern f'teen series and get back to the classic days of the cold war............
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posted 11-09-2000 11:01 AM     Profile for h.arrier   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
LOOKS LIKE THE LIZZARD

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posted 11-09-2000 11:17 AM     Profile for cid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
i remember a trick i used to pull in Tornado...fly really low with an enemy fighter trailing that is firing guns at me, and drop a retarded bomb. Bomb blows up under trailing enemy, enemy dead.
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posted 11-09-2000 05:47 PM     Profile for tony draper   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thats terribly sneaky Cid, no RAF pilot would ever dream of doing something as ungentlemanly as that....tony d
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posted 11-09-2000 06:26 PM     Profile for goanna   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I argue for the inclusion of a Tornado and Harrier in Flanker 2 every chance I get. I think the SSI team could do both aircraft justice, my only concern would be over avionics detail. But, as anaddon to Flanker Attack, I think that they would be on a winner. BTW, I would like to see an F-111 simm as well.
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posted 11-10-2000 07:47 AM     Profile for h.arrier   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
F-111....good idea, you could wait for the sue driver to close in on your six, dump fuel, hit the burners and BBQ that sucker!
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posted 11-10-2000 09:55 AM     Profile for Jedi Master   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'm not holding my breath for a sim featuring any "old" planes. The category of modern "old" jets includes the F-14, Tornado, Harrier, F-111, and A-10. All are scheduled for retirement and/or replacement, and that's just not worth the effort right now. Maybe in 10 years we'll get a "historical" jet sim ala Mig Alley called "Fulda Gap" or something that will feature all these planes.
The Jedi Master

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posted 11-10-2000 10:48 AM     Profile for LeadHead   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ehh... There will be an A-10 in Flanker Attack.

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posted 11-11-2000 10:07 AM     Profile for Tracer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by h.arrier:
Tracer,
do you have to edit your config to get it working? On win98 it used to get to the planning screen and when i pressed 'take off' it crashed....and I swore. Very loudly! The demo that I found ran, so why wouldn't the game? Also, the desert storm missions were excelent, especially LGB'ing the dictators hotel swimming pool, although the F.3 was a bag of wank against anything....

Sorry h.arrier, i have my "old" P200 installed with Win95 as well as a *full* proper DOS boot with UMB,EXP,High MEM sys etc to chose from. I had the same symptoms as you had with Win98 I had blown my old P1 board and couldn't find a replacement (AT form board) untill about 5 months ago when i came across a cool board which supports EDO & SDRAM mem plus AT form factor.....so i set it up for my old machine and got the small shop that built my original machine 6 years ago, to put on a menu with DOS.

No doubt you can get a full DOS boot put on as i have for about £30 on Win98...the problem arises when using joysticks/sound cards through DOS as on my old machine i have an AWE32 with full DOS drivers running with a Microsoft Sidewinder 3D pro which is both analogue and digital(by way of a switch on it) they are both 6years old.
Cards/sticks nowadays use DirectX and no support through DOS(as there are no DOS drivers supplied with them)

Cheers
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posted 11-11-2000 11:32 AM     Profile for cid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Who here has not at one point said, "I want game just like tornado only multiplayer!" Although in reality, the actual planes modeled are irrelevant, as long as the mission editor and campaign are in there.
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posted 11-12-2000 12:24 PM     Profile for h.arrier   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Many thanks Tracer, maybe some one will be bold enough to make tornado2, and hopefully some good campain multiplayer (2ppl per jet) so you could utilise the eight(? it has been a long time) aircraft in your formation to the full. If you didn't rely on the auto pilot, flying the fin was bloody hard, especially as you jumped cockpits to prep bomb loads and tried to terrain follow and keep on time/altitude if you made it to the target!And an extra pair of eyes on approach would be useful to spot dangerous craters, suicidal wingmen and hinds....
regards.

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posted 11-12-2000 03:20 PM     Profile for tss   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Digital Integrations titles had the rights sold to Interactive Magic who popped out iF-22 Bosnia, iF-22 Persian Gulf, iFA/18 Carrier Strike Fighter.

Hind, Apache, and their F-16 sim were all sold to Interactive Magic who was apparently trying to bolster their flight sim support and successes of Air Warrior & Dawn Patrol.

Since then iMagic has folded up shop and sold the rights to another business.

We do carry virtually every single one of these titles at excellent pricing. We also offer 10% off on any orders placed as long as you let us know you found us at Combatsim.com

Digital Integration very much had their act together as they had a focus on quality rather than quantity.

I have played iF-22 Persian Gulf and found it quite enjoyable. I loaded up iF18 CSF but have not really had the time to get into it as another title we had arrive called "Tides Of War" has had me hooked.

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posted 11-12-2000 04:49 PM     Profile for Turbo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You should be happy you didn't have time to 'get into' F-18 CSF, it's a complete waste.
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posted 11-13-2000 10:27 AM     Profile for Jedi Master   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeadHead:
Ehh... There will be an A-10 in Flanker Attack.


Just like there were supposed to be A-10 sims from MPS (for both F3 and F4) and Jane's. While I laud their ambitions, it remains to be seen just what FA will or won't have, when and if it's released.
I really hope so, though. Those Sierra titles just sucked while whetting my appetite and I never got to see that one by Parsoft, I think? A-10 Cuba?
The Jedi Master


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posted 11-13-2000 11:16 AM     Profile for h.arrier   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
A10 cuba! was a great little sim although it may not have been too acurate the flight model felt right, kinda like an old version of flanker2's. The ground was fairly detailed and flying low down the river valleys was cool, you could lose a wing tip or a tail fin and an engine and still get back...it was quite hard to operate properly!
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