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Author Topic: Could some help me with EF2000?
Rafale
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posted 02-08-2000 03:16 PM     Profile for Rafale   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I have EF2000 v.2 for win95. Its an oldie, but a goodie.

I'm installing the game on a gateway PIII 400 with a 1MB Voodoo and Microsoft Force Feedback stick and Sound Blaster 32.

Everything works fine, but when I try to set up the joystick, it tells me that it cant find any kind of device for a joystick.

I thought I'd take this up with you guys since you seem to know a lot more than those fools at DiD tech support.


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boshar
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posted 02-08-2000 03:34 PM     Profile for boshar   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
2 questions / suggestions

Has the Microsoft Force Feedback stick ID 1 (advanced tab on the game controllers dialog)

If the Microsoft Force Feedback stick is connect via USB do you have the standard joystick port installed. (its still needed for older games)

Hope this helps


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Gavin Bennett
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posted 02-08-2000 05:45 PM     Profile for Gavin Bennett   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Uhm,. try this.

Delete the joystick in the control panel, then go into DOS and configure the Joystick from there.

Gavin


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Erich Schneider
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posted 02-08-2000 07:03 PM     Profile for Erich Schneider   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Rafale, are you running the Windows version (Super EF2K) or the DOS version (Graphics+)? If you're running the Graphics+ version, I think you're sunk, because the MS FF stick is a digital stick that requires DirectInput to interface with the game.
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Rafale
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posted 02-09-2000 04:11 PM     Profile for Rafale   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks guys for the suggestions.

I think Shneider is right, though. My CD is GFX+ and nothing I'm trying is getting me anywhere. What a pisser!

Anyone know where I could purchase a copy of Super EF2000?

Again, I really appreciate the suggestions.


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Erich Schneider
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posted 02-09-2000 06:49 PM     Profile for Erich Schneider   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Rafale, if you have the EF2000 v2 CD then you have the Super EF2000 installation available. Install from the CD but choose the option that isn't either of the special 3dfx or Rendition versions. That version should be the Win 9x native version which should run just fine (but remember to use ALT+Enter to run it full-screen).
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posted 02-11-2000 04:31 PM     Profile for mbaxter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yes - that's the ticket. Pick the one that says "Install for Win95" - that will install Super EF2000, the Win95-native version of EF2000v2.0. This one works great for me and requires no special effort to setup. Just install it, and it will use whatever soundcard and joystick drivers that your other Win9x native sims use.

I never even touch the 3dfx version. Too much hassle and the funny thing is, I don't think it actually looks any better than the software-rendered Super EF2000.


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Gavin Bennett
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posted 02-12-2000 12:01 PM     Profile for Gavin Bennett   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
damn right, Michael, and the 3dfx version does something VERY, VERY, VERY goddamn annoying.

It replaces the RAf roundels with USAF ones. This may seem like a little thing. It's not. It drove me up and down the wall! It really pissed me off!! The Typhoon no longer looked "right." Indeed part of the visual appeal of the Typhoon in Tactcom was the contrast of the matt grey and the blue and red roundel. It just looked _dull_ with the USAF markings.

And the accents stayed the same!!!

I deleted my 3dfx version and stayed with the original. Much more acceptable.

Question about the Super version.
Does it include the Tactcom upgrades?
And will it run in pure Windows mode (thinking of the future and DOS's imminent death?)

Gavin


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David F
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posted 02-13-2000 07:01 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
There is a fix to get digital sticks working with the accelerated version of EF2000, it's on the US mirror site.

You have to play around witrh the settings in the game's INI file. It works with the MS Precision Pro, anyway.


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Rafale
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posted 02-13-2000 12:32 PM     Profile for Rafale   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
YES!!! You guys are awesome, baby!

It works in Win95 mode. That sucks that I cant use 3dFX, but oh well. The main page says that their working on a new EF2000 anyway.


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mbaxter
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posted 02-13-2000 01:49 PM     Profile for mbaxter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Gavin Bennett - yes, EF2000 for Win95, also known as "Super EF2000" is so Windows-friendly that you can even go from full screen to a window, while flying, with no ill effects at all.

What I used to do sometimes is get my mission started, get myself headed towards the first distant waypoint, then change EF2000 to a window, get on the internet, and pass some of the long flight time surfing the net. All the while, the game is still running, and whenever you want to check on your flight, just go to the window and take a look. Of course, once I got close to the front, I would then go back to full screen and start playing for real.

EF2000 is the only sim I have that is so memory and resource efficient that I can run other major programs in windows at the same time with no ill effects. The reason Super EF2000 is so damn efficient is because it was orginally designed as a game to run in DOS back in 1995, when P133's w/16MB RAM were hot stuff. Running EF2000 on my Celeron466 w/128MB RAM is a joy, and I still think the software-rendered virtual cockpit and terrain graphics are some of the most appealing ever done.

Rafale - glad we could be of help. Now go bomb some airfields!


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Heretic
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posted 02-13-2000 07:42 PM     Profile for Heretic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey DAVID F,
Since DID sites are out of the picture, if you have this patch could you send it to my e-mail??
franck01@centroin.com.br

Thanx in advance....


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RichP
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posted 02-14-2000 06:57 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
To David F

I can't find the digital joystick bit on the www.did-us.com site either and this is exactly my problem. Could you post link or fix plse?

I had the original EF2000 and really wanted to play it again so found TACTOM lying in a local shop and then got the GFX+ patch but have problems with the joystick and break ups in the sound (SB Live!).

Would buy Super EF2000 but can't find it locally (Dorset, UK).

Getting the joystick to work would be great and I'd put up with the sound unless someone has seen Super for sale in the UK?

Cheers


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posted 02-14-2000 11:07 PM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RichP:
To David F

I can't find the digital joystick bit on the www.did-us.com site either and this is exactly my problem. Could you post link or fix plse?

I had the original EF2000 and really wanted to play it again so found TACTOM lying in a local shop and then got the GFX+ patch but have problems with the joystick and break ups in the sound (SB Live!).

Would buy Super EF2000 but can't find it locally (Dorset, UK).

Getting the joystick to work would be great and I'd put up with the sound unless someone has seen Super for sale in the UK?

Cheers



I don't live in the UK, but I can get the EF2000v2 one here in Danville, Va USA if you want it. I believe the local Electronic Boutique has it in the used disk bin for about $5.00 US.

my email is hunter@gamewood.net.
And you are right about 2000. I love the game. It's migrated from my old rig to the new onealong with Falcon..


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David F
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posted 02-15-2000 02:41 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Open EF2000's INI file. (EF2000.CFG IIRC.)

Look for a line beginning STICK

Change STICK's value to 14

The line underneath contains the calibration values for the stick.

The first 4 are the x and y axes, change them to 45. The next 2 are the z axis, change them to 3 and 19. The next two are the R axis, for the rudder. Play around with these values to get the best results.

The first time you run EF after this, start a mission on the ground, and center the stick with ALT-C. You may need to adjust the stick sensitivity settings a bit.

Don't run the config program after doing this! Set your sound and other settings up first.

This fix does work, or at least it does for MS digital sticks. Honest.

David F

ex-DID


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posted 02-15-2000 04:14 AM     Profile for Heretic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanx a lot,David

You guys DID a masterfull piece of work on this game, as you can see many still love it and prefer it to many sims that have been released after.
One lat question:
Will those instructions work for ef2000 win 95 version ?


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RichP
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posted 02-15-2000 12:55 PM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
David F

Thanks for that I'll give it a go, any ideas about the crackly sound (I've tried the bits in the readme)?

Lloyd Cole - great offer, thanks. I'll have a bash with the above first then get back to you via email.

Here's hoping. I loved TFX and bought EF2000 but didn't have the kit to run it properly. Since then as I've upgraded I've got caught up in others a bit but am still searching for something really immersive but not as heavy as F4 (just don't have the time).

TAW is good but the avionics are almost too simple plus I'm British so want to fly 'our' plane.

Thanks again.


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posted 02-17-2000 02:47 PM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
can i have a bit of help as well plz?

i got 2 disks. 1 says it`s EF2000, the other EF2000 Evolution, but which is the better & can either run WELL under `95?


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posted 02-17-2000 08:12 PM     Profile for Heretic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Dunno, but probably the lataest....
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David F
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posted 02-18-2000 02:47 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Heretic,

Digital sticks work with the Win95 version anyway. The fix is not needed.

Prowler,

Install Evolution, then download and install the GFX+ patch, and select the Win95 version


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posted 02-19-2000 02:25 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by David F:
Heretic,

Digital sticks work with the Win95 version anyway. The fix is not needed.

Prowler,

Install Evolution, then download and install the GFX+ patch, and select the Win95 version


David F

I got my MS digital joystick working with GFX+ up to a point (thanks for help here) but no throttle plus the graphics (Voodoo2) and sound aren't quite right. So was going to take up Lloyd Cole's offer of the Win95 version from the US.

However, in your last post you intimate that the Win95 version is part of the GFX+ patch?

I patched TACTOM to get GFX+ (with 9.3Mb tactpat.zip from the us DID site) but this only gave me the DOS version, I can see no Win95 option - am I missing something?

Thanks


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posted 02-19-2000 08:19 AM     Profile for Tracer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
RichP,
The EF2000 v2 CD has the DOS *and* Win95 versions on it.
If you install the G+ version(DOS EF2000+TACTCOM)this can be run on a Win95/98 system using a windows shortcut and a Voodoo2 card(the full instructions are in the G+patche's readme plus you need to put a few lines in your Autoexec.bat)although controllers are a prob with DirectX-which don't work through the DOS gameport-which is why you need an analogue stick.
If on the other hand you install the Win95 version(formerly called "Super EF2000")then you wont have controller probs as it is a native Win95 product(DirectX)-*but*you can only run it in software not accelerated as the G+version was only for the "early" accelerater cards that were just appearing(such as the Monster Voodoo1)which ran EF2000+TACTCOM accelerated in DOS only

Also if you have sound "break up/stutter"during the game?
press ALT+"-" to decrease the 3DFX wait or
press ALT+"+" to increase the 3DFX wait
Note that you must press and hold the ALT key and repeatedly press the "-" or "+" key for an effect(it does not auto repeat if held down)
If the screen is too dark pressing ALT+F8 increases the gamma, likewise-ALT+F7 decreases it

Put these lines in your Autoexec.bat to remove the "pink" texture probs with a Voodoo2 board:

set SST_GRXCLK=90
set SST_FT_CLK_DEL=0x4
set SST_TF0_CLK_DEL=0x6
set SST_TF1_CLK_DEL=0x6
set SST_VIN_CLKDEL=0x1
set SST_VOUT_CLKDEL=0x0
set SST_TMUMEM_SIZE=2
pause
set SST_GAMMA=1.00
set SST_GGAMMA=1.00
set SST_RGAMMA=1.00
set SST_BGAMMA=1.00

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RichP
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posted 02-20-2000 06:51 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Tracer

Thanks for that.

My problem is I only have the DOS TACTOM package and not Super with the W95 one.

I have sort of got GFX+ working with the lines you provide but its not perfect and I think I'll get the W95 version.

It was David F's comments about the GFX+ patch having the W95 version which confused me, mine doesn't as far as I can see.

Thanks again.


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posted 02-20-2000 05:35 PM     Profile for Heretic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
DAVID F,

I have the V2 box here and i reinstalled the win95 version as i can´t run the G+ (AGP board). But each time i entered the sim, the plane rolled hard to the left as if full rudder left applyance and it was ectremely disconfortable to fly...

Any clue ?

Thanx


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Tracer
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posted 02-21-2000 11:37 AM     Profile for Tracer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
sorry for butting in but try "Alt+C" while you are spiraling(or flying) and it should recentralise the joystick- don't touch the stick while you do this.

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Smeghead
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posted 02-21-2000 12:30 PM     Profile for Smeghead   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I presume that this is the same David Ferguson from the old (and new! ) TAW board? Welcome!

How's the new job going? What's it like working with Rage as opposed to your old place?


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Tracer
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posted 02-21-2000 02:37 PM     Profile for Tracer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jesus! I thought i remembered the name(hey Smeghead,you get any of that "ECC RAM" we were joking about?-memory sure is improving Dave also used to do the Wargasm forum as well!!(wagasm.net??)
Welcome Dave

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David F
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posted 02-22-2000 03:10 AM       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Smeghead,

Yes, it's me. I don't work for Rage though, I now work for Infogrames.

David F.


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