Unfortunately, a sour twist of fate, JF18 and Guiness have conspired to kill my MSFF1. I have (of course) obtained an interim replacent in the form of the Saitek Cyborg 2000 usb gold, at the suggestion of an article I read on this very site. I truly like the stick, but have found myself experiencing accute FFWS (Force Feedback Withdrawl Syndrome). In a futile effort to restore my TIF (tactile immersion factor) to its once mighty level, I purchased the Logitek Wingman strike force 3d. While I loved the button placement and 2 top hats on this stick, it had some serious accuracy issues not to mention the whines of strain and exceptionally high operating temperature emminating from the workings of this soon-to-be-returned joystick.

What I am looking for is a stick with the smoothness of the saitek, the excellent button placement of the Logitek offering, as well as the truly superior FF effects of the microsoft stick. I cannot make myself purchase the FF2 (oh-it calls to me though), as the stick has no "shift" button and thus, exactly half as many buttons as my not so trusty FF1.

Gentlemen, does such a stick exist? Is it time to go HOTAS crazy (and estrange my girlfriend of 2 years)?

After seeing the "hotas picture" thread earlier this month, I am convinced that I have come to the right place for advice.

Thank you in advance.

I'm waiting for this one.

Hinge out

It seems that in my area stores(Frys, best buy, comp usa, and circuit city) no longer stock the FF1. All I have been able to locate is the FF2. Why microsoft would remove the shift button on this stick is a true mystery. I did take a look at the "Afterburner" mentioned above. Why is this stick so cheesy looking?

Perhaps someone is aware of a place online that still has them.

thanx for the feed back fellas

s6

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Originally posted by Seawolf:
If you really think about it how much force do you really feel in a real aircraft through the yoke or stick??? You don't feel the missle leaving the rail or the gear bumbing the ground or even the guns firing.

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My problem is solved.

I was able to finally find a msff1 for sale. Its amazing how badly not having a stick threw my gig off. Thanks for the help and I am also curious too see what some qualified people have to say about stick feedback in r/l.

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Originally posted by Seawolf:
If you really think about it how much force do you really feel in a real aircraft through the yoke or stick??? You don't feel the missle leaving the rail or the gear bumbing the ground or even the guns firing.
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