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7of9
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posted 09-30-2000 11:05 PM     Profile for 7of9   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
After many months away I am finally back to F18 with a few questions (back before the patch was out I was getting CTDs all the time, so I bought F4 while waiting for the F18 patch and got sidetracked <G> ).

1) Does anyone have a list of the comms menus (AWACS, wingman etc...)? I'm trying to program in some commands for Game Commander but really don't want to have to map all the commands manually (especially since the menu doesn't stay on the screen for very long).

2) When requesting an emergency approach to the carrier does anyone ever get anything other than "divert"?

3) Is it just me or are downloaded / user created missions unsorted? Is there anyway to get the list to sort? It's a pain finding the mission I'm looking for as I have to essentially scan the entire list each time I load a mission. Please tell me I'm doing something wrong and there is a way around this

I guess the good news is that I don't have any questions on avionics, weapons etc..., I seem to be doing ok with that part of it


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Habu 163rd
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posted 10-01-2000 05:08 AM     Profile for Habu 163rd     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
1. Navy SOP is to divert damaged aircraft, if at all possible, to increase the chances of a safe aircraft recovery and to prevent fouled decks and damage to the CVN.

2. Suggest you go into a TE with FAC, JSTARS, and Escorts and just go through the menus, writing down the comms.

3. I know of no way to logically sort the TE's in the mission list. Very inconvenient.

Welcome back!

Habu


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Recluse
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posted 10-01-2000 10:50 AM     Profile for Recluse   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The Missions in the mission list are sorted by date. (Latest creation dates first) For missions you create, it will be the creation date. For downloaded missions, it SEEMS like they are treated as newly created when they are placed in the directory. All user missions appear after the last mission that came with the game.

Oddly, when you edit a mission in the mission builder, it still keeps the same position even though the file modification date is later. If you SAVE AS, the new mission takes precedence in the list.


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7of9
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posted 10-01-2000 07:54 PM     Profile for 7of9   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks for the replies!

>1. Navy SOP is to divert damaged aircraft...

Makes sense. Sometimes I don't feel like doing the marshal stack thing and was trying an emergency approach so I could be guaranteed a clear deck, but since it doesn't work that way in F18, I guess I'll just have to force it on in there <G>.

>2. Suggest you go into a TE with FAC,
> JSTARS, and Escorts and just go through
> the menus, writing down the comms.

Eeeek, that's what I was trying to avoid, with so many menus and with the menus staying on the screen for such a short period of time, it makes it very time consuming. I'd rather by flying than writing. Oh well, guess it's time to bite the bullet.

> Oddly, when you edit a mission in the
> mission builder, it still keeps the same
> position even though the file
> modification date is later.

Ok, I see what's going on now. The list of "user" missions is basically unsorted - it's not using file dates at all! After looking around in the missions folder here's how I think it works: The default Jane's missions are shown first because they are listed in the file index.dat (I've tried modifying this file by adding the names of all missions, but this didn't seem to work. If I remove this file, the default missions act just like any other mission, they don't necessarily appear at the top).

After the default missions, the rest of the missions are basically unsorted - the files are listed in the same order as in the FAT (i.e. the order that they were added to the missions folder) with newest files at the top. Remember way back in the DOS days before you had dir /on etc... the dir command listed files in this same manner.

For a team that can design and code all the complexities that exist in this sim it's a real shame they didn't take 5-10 minutes to qsort their list, basically entry level programming, a one line function call and a one line callback function is all that's needed.

The good news is now that I see how it works, I now have a sorted missions list

Here's how I did it in case anyone else wants a readable list:

VERY IMPORTANT!!! make a backup of your mission folder before you begin, a good practice in any environment, but especially in Windows

First, I moved all missions (.cmf files) from the F18 missions folder to a temp folder - the files must be moved, not copied (i.e. after this step, there should be no .cmf files in the F18 missions folder).

I then copied all the .cmf files from the temp folder back to the F18 Missions folder in descending alphabetical order (you can do this manually, one file at a time, or see below for another option). Since F18 shows files in reverse order of when they were added to the folder (i.e. newer files at top) copying in descending alphabetical order will cause them to appear in alphabetical order in F18. Important: you must copy, not move, these files if your temp folder is on the same drive as F18. This is because a move from one folder to another on the same drive is the same thing as a rename, the order in the FAT table does not change. Making copies of the files, obviously, has to create new directory entries.

When done, you can delete the files in the temp folder. Now you should see a sorted list with Jane's default missions at the top followed by the rest of the missions. If you want all missions to be sorted (included the Jane's default missions), try renaming the file index.dat to something like index.dat.bak (don't delete the file, just to be safe).

Note: I used Windows Commander to copy the files (www.windowscommander.com I think). Windows Commander is kinda like the old Norton Commander or Windows 3.1 File Manager, but better. You can sort on name, date, ext, etc... ascending or descending and when you copy files, the copy is done using the current sort order. Windows Explorer may or may not copy files this way (something tells me it doesn't but I don't know for sure, haven't tested it). Of course, you can always copy the files back one at a time in the order you prefer and this technique will work but I suggest something like Windows Commander to make the process go quicker. With a directory list set up in Windows Commander it takes me less than a minute to fire up Windows Commander and sort the list.

So anyway, that's how to get a sorted mission list, a PITA I know, but short of writing a utility to automate this, or finding something like the old Norton Dirsort, I can't think of another way to do it.


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OldDog
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posted 10-02-2000 09:44 AM     Profile for OldDog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Regarding Game Commander...
go to their web site....they have several files for F/A-18, one of the files is specifically for Radio stuff. I did not make it but I'm using it...for the most part it works fine.

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posted 10-02-2000 09:56 AM     Profile for jimvictor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I believe you can also use a sort utility. try pcmag.com
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7of9
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posted 10-02-2000 05:21 PM     Profile for 7of9   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks! The game commander profile should work great, even has a list of most all the comms keystrokes at:
http://www.gamecommander.com/templates/submissions/RichardHall/F18.txt

And I found a utility called LFNSort which sounds like it should do the trick.

Thanks again


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posted 10-03-2000 11:13 PM     Profile for Slider GC   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Be sure to get the .gca file too (not just the .txt file). That way you don't have to type all those commands in.

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