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gravey_95th
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posted 07-23-2000 12:52 AM     Profile for gravey_95th   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Seawolf I would first off like to thank you for slandering me in this forum. I hope you realize that this is as good a way as any to subject yourself to legal action. Secondly I hope by now you have learned enough about this sim to retract your statement about me cheating. Maybe you have learned to fly belly to the dirt to avoid detection. Maybe you have learned that your TEWS(tactical early warning system) is nothing more than a fancy radar detector, and it won't pick up an aircraft that is running radar silent.Maybe you have learned to use your padlock view which operates very nicely withtin a six mile radius.And maybe you've learned to admit when you are wrong. And maybe, just maybe, you owe me an apology. I will accept nothing less. I await your reply.
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Buggy Loop
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posted 07-23-2000 01:13 AM     Profile for Buggy Loop     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Dude get over it, he didnt accuse you of cheating, he posted here to KNOW how you did it, geez you should take this as a compliment.

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Mike J
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posted 07-23-2000 01:34 AM     Profile for Mike J   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'm with Buggy on this one, calm down gravey_95. I just read Seawolf's post and he clearly states that he is not accusing you of cheating, merely wondering if it was a possibility. Furthermore, after Scott made a post about terrain masking Seawolf himself said that you must not have been cheating. Since he retracted his earlier query, and since he never actually accused you of anything there's no need to get too steamed up about this...
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RANGER-257th
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posted 07-23-2000 01:35 AM     Profile for RANGER-257th   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Seawolf wrote.......
"Just got through flying a 1 vs 1 against a dude by the name of Gravey_95th.
I'm not saying he was cheating"

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RANGER-257th
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posted 07-23-2000 01:37 AM     Profile for RANGER-257th   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Not enough of us left here to be sqaubling...
Letsstick to helping each other out and hopefully the new guys will keep coming and F-18 can grow.

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Seawolf
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posted 07-23-2000 09:52 AM     Profile for Seawolf   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
First of all I will say I apologize for my earlier post and it was not ment to accuse you of cheating, and I shouldn't have named anyone. I was merely attempting to gain information on possibilities of foul play on combat.net

Now that being said-

You can knock it off with the legal crap, you're not going to take legal action because you have no legal action. It's called Freedom of Speech and the last time I checked this was still the United States of America! I pretty much live on this forum so I have heard it all and seen it all. DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT attempt to come in here and throw weight you don't have around.

Now I respect you as a pilot (kicked my ass! lol) and I thought you were a nice guy, But you should really go back with a clear mind and read the original post, I think you will see that you took it all out of context.
I hope that this can be put behind us and I wouldn't mind flying with you again sometime as i think you have a lot you could show me. That is all up to you.
Sorry about the confusion


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crabman
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posted 07-23-2000 09:56 AM     Profile for crabman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Legal action?....sigh, thats a sad commentary on America in this day and age.
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gravey_95th
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posted 07-23-2000 10:25 AM     Profile for gravey_95th   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Seawolf, apology accepted. But I would like you to keep this in mind, "Win with pride. Lose with dignity." Our squad does not allow me to train non squad members, I am generaly very helpful to newbies when it comes to the minor tweaks that will get them up and running. However I will not discuss op systems BFM, ACM, or any of the other nuances associated with the operation of a modern fighter aircraft. I am an instructor pilot for the 95th, when someone joins our squad I train them to the best of my ability, and nothing pleases me more than to have someone that I have trained wax my ass. If you want top shelf training I suggest you look into joining the 95th or one of the many other squads available. Once again Seawolf, apology accepted. Please think twice in the future, thanks.


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Gravey out,


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posted 07-23-2000 12:11 PM     Profile for blit_ZEN   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Seawolf, I used to do this all the time in jF15, fly low as possible with sidewinder "uncaged". Be patient, make the other guy turn on his radar. Once he does, you know where he is. Scan the skies with youe eyes (80% of all kills never see a thing). I used to like f15 'cause you didnot race into a furball, you hunted slowly, patiently stalking till, well you know what happens.

playing 2v2 or more 1 plane would act use radar or be bait, acting stupid & easy while others (on you side) would be terrain masking trying to get enemys to chase or focus on the "sucker" while other planes worked there way to opponents 6.

One more thing, I have never heard of any squads tolerating or advocating cheating of any sort, most care about there reputations too much & also the consequences of being caught would be terribly embarassing.

At any rate he probably was flying 50 agl w/ uncaged heaters & eyeballs are your best means of defense.

blitz


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DarkSpoor
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posted 07-23-2000 01:45 PM     Profile for DarkSpoor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jesus Gravy, relax. This is supposed to be a game/hobby remember? Something you do to enjoyably wile away a bit of leisure time. You and your squadron sound positively puckered. So what happens if you give somebody not in your squadron a few tips? Will you be virtually courtmarshalled? Will you go to a virtual prison? Who made up these rules anyway? A virtual Hitler? Maybe if you unclench a little you will enjoy the game a little more, eh? lol.
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Seawolf
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posted 07-23-2000 03:08 PM     Profile for Seawolf   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ya know, I attempted to be pretty diplomatic about this and to be honest, I'm sick of catering to your ego.
Like I need to beg for your forgivness, you can kiss my arse!

Truth is i never said anything to emplicate that you were in fact cheating, my point was only that it seemed way to easy for you to get position like you were. Actually what i think was happening was after the first kill I was respawning right in front of you each time. This can be resolved by spreading the start distance, but that might hamper your style just a bit and throw off your gameplan.

As far as your squadron, well it sounds like you guys just have a blast.
thanks, but no thanks.

Personally, I don't see how anyone could learn anything from a person who is so ate up with himself and anal retentive that he literally could turn a lump of coal into a diamond with the crack of his arse!

I'm done so you can call your attorney now. LMAO


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Tolwyn
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posted 07-23-2000 03:31 PM     Profile for Tolwyn   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Gravey, ease up, un-bunch your panties, and go play.
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gravey_95th
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posted 07-23-2000 03:39 PM     Profile for gravey_95th   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
So Seawolf now your some kinda God Damn expert on ego. You fly one 1v1 against me, can't take being beat now I'm the bad guy. Eat my shorts! I will be happy anytime you think you are good enough to wax your lame ass again. Keep up the remarks....meet me at JCN and we'll see who the best pilot is. You don't want to make friends fine, make enemies....works for me....
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Swampfox
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posted 07-23-2000 06:34 PM     Profile for Swampfox   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hehe...man oh man...registration certainly cleaned things up. I suspect this hardcore community isn't big enough to allow for this kind of strife. I found most amusing the remarks about civil litigation being generated over "Deformation of Character" remarks. I would love to be seated in that courtroom that entertained the finer points of that case...can we all say "Summary Judgement"? Frivolous actions such as this empty threat rank with much of the jail house mind set, scribed on toliet paper appropriately enough.

The best thing that could happen to this thread is that it quietly end...it would appear that nothing good shall come from it's continued posts. I hope the two pilots can come to a private conclusion and move along, in the interest of this forum and the hardcore community at large.


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Seawolf
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posted 07-23-2000 06:43 PM     Profile for Seawolf   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
How old are you? and why do you think that anything you do in a video game impresses anyone? When you make it through flight school, go through 2 years of training, and are launching from the deck of the USS Washington. Then I'll be impressed. Until then your another shmo playing a game and losing touch with reality. I don't know why the hell I'm writing this I guess it's because it's become so comic now. Send me an address and I'll send a case of beer and a Hooker for ya, God knows you need it.

LMAO, this is stupid, goodbye

btw- as far as you being the bad guy, well you could have avoided that, but instead you brought it on yourself. People in here see things for what they are and so far they see a pompas ass.


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Seawolf
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posted 07-23-2000 06:50 PM     Profile for Seawolf   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
LMAO, that would be pretty entertaining.
Don't worry Swampfox, I'm not going to post anymore on this. It's pretty silly to get into a pissing match over something so stupid. LOL


quote:
Originally posted by Swampfox:
Hehe...man oh man...registration certainly cleaned things up. I suspect this hardcore community isn't big enough to allow for this kind of strife. I found most amusing the remarks about civil litigation being generated over "Deformation of Character" remarks. I would love to be seated in that courtroom that entertained the finer points of that case...can we all say "Summary Judgement"? Frivolous actions such as this empty threat rank with much of the jail house mind set, scribed on toliet paper appropriately enough.

The best thing that could happen to this thread is that it quietly end...it would appear that nothing good shall come from it's continued posts. I hope the two pilots can come to a private conclusion and move along, in the interest of this forum and the hardcore community at large.



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MagenDavid
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posted 07-24-2000 07:16 PM     Profile for MagenDavid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
gosh.. all this over a man-made game..
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gravey_95th
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posted 07-24-2000 08:02 PM     Profile for gravey_95th   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Look, here's the bottom line. Maybe Seawolf didn't directly accuse me of cheating, but it was certainly implied. Also, at least half of the responses to his post have decided that yes I was cheating. I don't cheat. I no longer fly F15 because of all of the cheating.
You all need to put your callsign in place of mine and tell me just how you would feel.
Or say you are at the JCN lobby and some guy says he read in combatsim that you cheat. Thats how I found out about Seawolfs post. Perhaps if that happened to one of you you might feel different about my reaction. Yes it upset me. Yes it angered me. Pardon me if my reaction was wrong. I'm not up for a shouting match. But I would like you all to put yourself in my shoes for just one minute. I have been flying online since the F15 part of Janes Combat Net opened. I have always tried to be fair, and I have tried to maintain a good reputation amoungst my fellow sim pilots. I have no intention of letting one disgruntled loser ruin that. What would you do?

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Seawolf
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posted 07-24-2000 10:25 PM     Profile for Seawolf   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I would drop it. Want a tissue? Jeesh
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DanW
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posted 07-24-2000 10:49 PM     Profile for DanW   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
But, what if you don't have a callsign?
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The Whistler
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posted 07-24-2000 11:05 PM     Profile for The Whistler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Why are you telling gravey to calm down? I would be a lot more pissed than him if someone was going around saying I was cheating when I didn't read theses forums and had no way to defend myself. I don't care if they are S-3 Pilots or pan handlers, I don't like people crying everytime they get whooped.
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The Whistler
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posted 07-25-2000 08:07 AM     Profile for The Whistler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Never mind. I took this out cause its not worth the flame war.

[This message has been edited by The Whistler (edited 07-25-2000).]


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posted 07-25-2000 10:42 AM     Profile for 111thTIGER   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
So Im away for quite some time only to come back and see that Nick MOYNARD was thrown out for continuous trolling.

I leave for a while again to come back to the gloves being thrown down.

wHAT NEXT. I was riveted with every post.
I need a good book.

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posted 07-25-2000 12:50 PM     Profile for HrntFixr   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Fella's .... I got away from here because of the flame wars. Come on all... it's a flippin game. Seawolf , fellow sailor, let it go bro. It's not worth it.

PS= back in Jax Sept 9th.... got some VP orders Retire in 2 1/2!!!

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posted 07-25-2000 04:45 PM     Profile for Spawnbob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
im an outsider to F18 but here my point anyway , once i was asked by my teacher if i had copied a English Lit essay , i hadnt and that was the greatest praise he could off given. Again ive been accused of cheating in TFC sometimes again i take heart from this , knowing that im not.
I dont get annoyed by it.

Also some interesting things Seawolf has 900 odd posts a "newbie" but one who has contributed to the F18 comuunity then u have the "expert" gravey he has 6 posts and whats this crap "Our squad does not allow me to train non squad members" what are they the CIA.
It's being fair, being helpful to point out the tricks of the trade to newer flyers, maybe your scared your advantage and yours squads advantage will be eroded.

So at first i though hmm maybe this guy is good but graveys response have led me to think he isnt and he trying to mask his tactics for some reason.

So stop having a go at seawolf and stop putting people off F18, rememeber gravy you where crap once , you where a newbie once , you nothing special even if you can get more kills than most.

flight simers have a percieved atitude in the rest of the gaming world as elitest and snobs , im sorry but people like gravey dont help the situation and this is exactly why Janes no longer exists and why so many sims developers have problem's these days.

If i knew anything about F18 i would not mind telling all the tricks of the trade, thats how you know your good , not flying against people who dont know the systems but against people who know it off by heart , your good when u can beat the experts, Gravey can you.

[This message has been edited by Spawnbob (edited 07-25-2000).]


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Seawolf
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posted 07-25-2000 05:24 PM     Profile for Seawolf   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Your right HrntFixr, you know how it is though, not used to running from a fight, but this has gotten blown too far out of proportion, Now back to the sim.


quote:
Originally posted by HrntFixr:
Fella's .... I got away from here because of the flame wars. Come on all... it's a flippin game. Seawolf , fellow sailor, let it go bro. It's not worth it.

PS= back in Jax Sept 9th.... got some VP orders Retire in 2 1/2!!!



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The Whistler
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posted 07-25-2000 05:31 PM     Profile for The Whistler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yea but I bet Gravey didn't go around saying people who were better than him were cheaters when he was a newbie. His squadron probably doesn't let him train others because if he doesn't and he is good the people he is beating might wanna learn how he does it and join the squadron.

How would you feel if someone went to a forum you never read and said you camp in Hunted or 2Fort?



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posted 07-25-2000 06:20 PM     Profile for Redwolff   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ok I'll throw in on this with a simple phrase.

Gravey, you are a self-consumed, egotistical A$$O.

Dusty "Redwolf" Rhodes
"Second Place is the First Loser"


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Ready5
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posted 07-26-2000 07:04 AM     Profile for Ready5   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
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quote:
Originally posted by gravey_95th:
Seawolf I would first off like to thank you for slandering me in this forum. I hope you realize that this is as good a way as any to subject yourself to legal action."

Still ROFLMAO...I feel certain Seawolf is in a corner cringing right now for fear of the wrath of the legal system.

Secondly I hope by now you have learned enough about this sim to retract your statement about me cheating.

Never saw where a straight forward accusation of cheating was applied to Gravey. Simply questions about why the engagements occurred the way they did. Sounds like fair questions.

"Maybe you have learned to fly belly to the dirt to avoid detection. Maybe you have learned that your TEWS(tactical early warning system) is nothing more than a fancy radar detector, and it won't pick up an aircraft that is running radar silent.Maybe you have learned to use your padlock view which operates very nicely withtin a six mile radius.And maybe you've learned to admit when you are wrong."

I will certainly be looking for your book when it's released...sounds similar to Janes.

"And maybe, just maybe, you owe me an apology. I will accept nothing less. I await your reply.


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Hehe...thats the best part...and nothing less...holding one's breath?...one can only hope....


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