Oh and by the way I have a family, I have a job...I still found time to learn the ins and outs of Falcon 4, I'm learning the ins and outs of Flanker 2 as well. And I know I'll learn the super hornets too. It's all in your priorities. Take the manuals to work and read them on your coffe breaks, on the bus, or in your car pool. Doesn't take long to apply the knowledge to the game if you have it in your head.

I didn't mean to start a flame war or anything likt that. I just question wether games should be "sims of the decade or year" based on graphics alone. Which is what you guys are doing.

No intention to flame here but your absolutely entitled your opinion. Cheer for free speech (and please no snickering in the back)

PS: does "sim" excludes other type of simulation other than flight-sim? If yes, hummph..hummph (trying to suppress laughter)

drop by Janescombat.net and you will see more people playing WWII, FA (ANCIENT), and F15.

It would have been out by now.

Pixel has ducked with the money and run for the hills, hoping that we'll be sufficiently 'ooooh and awwh shucksed' by some flaming worthless piece of TBird Trash that we won't notice how LONG this steaming pile of dogpoop has been stinking up the airwaves without any REAL improvement.

I got it (two actually) hated it, waited for it to get better, and now /can't/ wait to hear how much we're going to have to 'pay for a patch' in the addon. 39 bucks isn't chump change for ALL of us you know.

How Typical, JF-18 is a lump of coal in my stocking while Pixel has whambammed-and-
doorslammed.

Did I mention that UME is still a 90% lock-up-solid 'experience' for me? It's a scream.

Bend Over America; /USAF/ has been 'done' by the Israelis. KP

Who couldn't jerk his fly down fast enough, has enough internal vinegar to put out most flames, and thinks that an average of six worthless missions 'per war' is about the dumbest thing since Pointers in the Pool to liven up the Olympic synchronized swimming.

BigShot = "If they're gonna sell a novalogic game then they damn well better adverstise it that way so us consumers know what we're getting ahead of time"

They NEVER advertised it as a "HardCore" sim.
If you were to read Janes site you would see.
Does the box read ULTRA REALISTIC? NO!!

Key Features

Fly the hottest 8 jets in the U.S. Air Force
More than 62 historical and hypothetical missions including a semi-dynamic future campaign Advanced graphics featuring spectacular special effects, 3D cockpits for each aircraft, and screen resolution up to 1280 x 1024 Mission recording and playback
Detailed 'real-world' terrain using stereoscopic satellite data with true elevation and coloring Voice activation for wingman commands, aircraft operations, and pre-defined chat messages JanesCombat.Net compatible - Multiplayer mode supports up to 16 players.

"I thought Novalogics sim was a hell of a lot better then USAF"

Thats because you have that old TNT card. Novalogics F22 graphics would run better on that card. Upgrade to TNT2 and THEN see what you're missing!!

Lame excuse to be mad BigShot. I've read some of your posts , and I think you're a bitter old man that likes to be pissed..

Kurt Plummer = "If there was going to be a patch...It would have been out by now."

Im surprised you posted this 3rd grade statement! LMAO For someone that seems to be an intelligent person , you blew on that one. But me thinks its reverse psychology P

Lud von Pipper = USAF terrain is WAY better then IAF.

Pinch...

I hope you're not pulling my leg, if so, prepare to be bored...:-)

I got two copies of USAF for my birthday, one from the gentler half and one early on my own hook because I wasn't sure she'd be getting it and 'couldn't wait'. I took mine back but kept the gift.

This got me into trouble later because I had posted a message that said something like 'It goes back'. I swear up and down that I played the game through the first evening (which is in and of itself a baaaad sign) so it didn't matter that I got another copy. I sure as hell couldn't take /that one/ back, to the same store.

Still, I dropped the hammer on Pixel for what I felt were some easy technical fixes (weapons, ECM and airspeeds) as well as a general disappointment with the accuracy of the mission modelling that would have needed some rather more substantial changes.

Now one of the threads here mentions a possible addon. I imagined this would be the way things would go when Pixel promised (in an interview) editors and stuff 'based on sales' but made no further response.

Not only have we not had that but the game itself doesn't 'work' in so many _easy_ areas to fix.

Graphically, yeah it's pretty (excepting the F-4 and F-22) if a tad 'watery' at moments.

I still get a lot of hits in the frame rates with smoke and multiple aircraft even occasionally dumping me to desktop (especially around the airfield) but I don't mind the terrain tears etc. so much (the landscape still beats the acid trip that was IAF by leaps and /miles/).

I think this may be part of my biggest disappointment in that, on at least one side, USAF comes /so close/ to being 'superb'.

The User Mission Editor. Not my fault dude. It just doesn't turn on without locking up my machine to the point of reboot.

Janes Lump Of Coal. Well we all know it will be a diamond 'some day' but to miss Christmas with JF-18 seems, unusual.

A USAF _PATCH_ or even an expansion set for one of their other games would have been a decent enough interval hold but still, Santa Jane 'all I wanted for X-Mas'...(was a Bug and a good ship to fling it from:`)

Preorders for Janes F/A 18 (advertised in USAF): 23 !

Without a REAL cockpit that moves, shuts out the outside world, has real switches and gauges, etc... and a screen that is at least on 3 sides of me, then I wouldn't call it a simulation at all. You need about $200K for a SIM. You want real go buy a ride in a P-51 or T-28. This is just a PC. Of course that's my opinion, I could be wrong!

So how big does the manual have to be to make it a sim? What amount of missle tracking accuracy, or deviation of slipstream vs. rudder movement? Hell I dunno!!! I just know that I like it or don't!

I actually enjoy all flight programs (some better than others) and I buy most of them. I've got Falcon4, F2, USAF and IAF (although I did delete IAF!).

So everybody stop debating for a minute and check my post about MFD buttons. I want to program keys for them for my cockpit! Yes I have a TM cockpit with lights and switches, etc... Here's a story. When I was a kid (a looong time ago, I'm 44) I got this thing for XMAS called a Jimmy Jet. It was a little plastic cockpit with little knobs and a round plastic scenery drum that rotated around a light bulb. Had little crosshairs on the buildings in the scene and when one came by I'd press my little button and swooosh! shoot a plastic missle right over the dogs head! Now THAT was fun. My dad first saw my TM cockpit and said "damn kid got a new Jimmy Jet!" That ought to about sum it up...

My kids favorite thing to do in the cockpit? Star Wars Pod Racer. Hey, it's fun.

Have fun with it guys, that's why we are here!

Check Six,
Daddio

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Give it a break guys, all of you know this was an ATF upgrade, why did you expect for a
F4 or F2 kind of game???

Janes has a real long way to go to ever get me as a customer.