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BlackLion
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posted 12-19-2000 05:53 AM     Profile for BlackLion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Last weekend, I donned my working clothes and took a dive into history, as I was looking for the thingmies of my late grandfather, who, for those not familiar with the story, was actually a pilot during WWII in the Luftwaffe, first on Transports, later on fighters, both the 109 and the 190;
my grandma always said that his flightlog and other stuff should be hidden somewhere in the cellar of their house, and thats were I went after getting clearance from my grandma; she always refused to let me have a look for it, as she was ashamed of the "career" of my grandpa, a problem nearly all ex-servicemen of the German Army, Luftwaffe or Marine have; I know cases were old men, paying their tribute to their fallen comrades on memorial places were called murderers or even some worse names by some sort of political correct people;
well, but thats not the topic-so after being allowed into the cellar for searching the stuff, it took me the better part of an hour to locate a box, looking well used and very antique and thats where I placed my hope on-there was only a problem-it was secured with a lock and I did not have the key for that lock; but I finally managed to open it as the lock was quite old and rusty and therefor quite easy to break;
when I opened it, I nearly began to cry-what I found was GREAT!
well, no flightlog, but amongst others, biographies of Manfred von Richthofen, signed by a pilot of the JASTA Richthofen, some Carl August Freiherr von Schönebeck, a bio of Major Walter Nowotny (258 kills) signed by his son, a bio of Adolf Galland, and one of Erich Hartmann; some issues of "Der Adler", the Luftwaffe magazine, one of my grandpas diaries (from Feb. 1940 to Dec. 1941) and last but not least, two albums full with pics mostly from the campaign in France, where my grandpa flew with a Transport in support of the many Luftwaffe airfields being set up then;
the best pic I dug out shows a shot up and crash landed Fairey Battle with my grandpa standing in front of it!
the best thing about that pic is that I found a pic of this very Battle while it was still flying, its squadron code D 0 RH showing prominently on both pics;
btw-the pic with this Battle flying can be found on one of the first pages of French Aces by Osprey Publishing;
I will try and get some pics scanned and post them here, as they cover a wide array of the war; some pics show gigantic French tanks, after being strafed and destroyed on their railway carts, a bombed bridge, allegedly destroyed by Stukas, the graveyard of a Fighter base with 3 dumped 109s and a dumped Fieseler Storch and many other very interesting images!

and I also had a talk to my father, who related some hairraising stories to me, one of which about the near demise of my grandfather owing to a clash with a Snakeplane over Russia in 1944 I will post later this day, so stay tuned

p.s: I still have hopes of finding the flightlog of my grandfather, maybe that will become some sort of christmas present!


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Sulla
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posted 12-19-2000 06:06 AM     Profile for Sulla   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Good for you Blacklion.
Sounds like you may want to contact some historical society people or something.

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posted 12-19-2000 06:12 AM     Profile for IKEN   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
i'll be looking forward to this blacklion.

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JG5_Jerry
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posted 12-19-2000 06:29 AM     Profile for JG5_Jerry   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
That sounds great, BlackLion!!

You should post info on this find the '12 O'Clock High!' BBS - alot of researchers visit that forum and would be very interested to hear about it:
http://disc.server.com/Indices/3051.html

As I said before, Oleg Maddox would also be interested in any info from your gradfather's time atthe Eastern Front.

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posted 12-19-2000 06:34 AM     Profile for Canuck     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sounds interesting!!!!

Canuck

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BlackLion
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posted 12-19-2000 06:42 AM     Profile for BlackLion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Jerry!

I already contacted Oleg and I promised to get him everything I can find about the Eastern Front time of my late grandpa;
unfortunately (hope there is more to come) the thingmies I found yet are mainly connected with his flying in the French Campaign, I did not find anything dated later than Dec. 1941;
but as promised I will post some of the experiences of my grandpa soon here on the forum-be prepared for some funny but also tragic stories;


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BlackLion
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posted 12-19-2000 06:48 AM     Profile for BlackLion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
BTW, thanx to some still existing contacts to other Luftwaffe people my grandfather knew, I may be able to relate their stories as well, I know one former bomber pilot who flew everything from Heinkel 111s to JU-88s and finally He-177s;
my dad said something about a former Stuka-driver he can also remember, so maybe many more experiences to relate, I will stay tuned on that!

and I already had a talk to a local historian, more on that later too!

thx guys for the interest anyway!

BL


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Donster
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posted 12-19-2000 06:51 AM     Profile for Donster   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Waiting with anticipation to read these accounts of your grandfathers!

Donster

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jimjim
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posted 12-19-2000 01:42 PM     Profile for jimjim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I feel your excitement. Wish I was there to help.
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pato_mareao
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posted 12-19-2000 01:56 PM     Profile for pato_mareao   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Sincerely, I wish I was you!!!!
Go for them, good luck and find that fascinating people.

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posted 12-20-2000 12:24 AM     Profile for Majesty5   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Blacklion;
http://home.earthlink.net/~daniels369/nlp/index.html

This is the site for what I've found out about my grandfather and his brother. It's in serious need of updating (I'll have the 2.0 version of the site online after I graduate in spring!) but I second the recommendation to go over to 12 O'Clock High. Try also www.ww2.dk, german-militaria.co.uk, and sites linked off of there. Don't be afraid to mail webmasters either. You'll be shocked at how much you can uncover.

Eager to see what you dig up, especially about the French campaign. My Opa was in a recon staffel that jumped off into France from Luxembourg, and it's relatively tough going, trying to find info on that campaign for some reason.


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posted 12-20-2000 03:33 AM     Profile for WingmanT   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
S! BlackLion,

Carry on! You won't be sorry to meet as much vet pilots as you can find. For three years now I'm a member of the club of the Bulgarian vet WWII pilots and - believe me, they are great! There are former 109, Do-17 and Stuka pilots, even 3-4 of the last fighters who have victories against B-17, B-24 and P-38 /scored with Me 109 and Devoitine 520/.


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posted 12-20-2000 03:41 AM     Profile for Slapphead   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Bloody good show Blacklion!

Please send a big S! to your gramps from me m8.


S! Slapp


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