Quite simply, this sim needs a very expensive PC to run properly. At least 512Mb of PC133 RAM and a 64Mb Ge-Force GTS.

That's my opinion and I intend to upgrade to those specs as soon as I can afford to do so. Actually intending to exceed them with a T-Bird, 512Mb of DDR RAM and an NVidia NV20 card on a 200mhz mobo.

Then I'll see what B17-2 can REALLY do.

Not impressed with the claims made re running without jerks on 256Mb of RAM and a TNT card. I believe these claims are being made in order to achieve sales. Piss off with THAT marketing fraud.

I am very disappointed in you.

But, then again, coming from someone with the views on theft that you have, I shouldn't be surprized.

The simulation runs very well for me, and I am using only 128MB of Ram.

Am I starting to see a pattern here? You buy a new sim, it's great, multiple orgasms, then 4 days later, it sucks, and is part of a vast right wing conspiracy to make your life miserable. The words black and white thinker come immediately to mind.

Well, I guess you didn't actually say it sucks, but you said it needs a whole lot more machine to run it than they tell you on the box. Just wondering what happened to the rave reviews from you when you first got the game.

Good luck with your upgrades but BE CAREFUL what hardware you choose! Mooohoohoohoohahaha!

Seriously, hope it rocks for you.

Sorry to have to contradict you but it is running just fine on my Pe-800 V5 5500 with 196mb ram.

What I am trying to do is alert my fellow simmers to the POSSIBILITY that a beast-PC is required to run it as advertised. Going on hasblo's past shenanigans it's entirely possible they will state it's playable, as advertised, on medium spec rigs when in fact it might not be.

I guess people are entitled to read various opinions and considerations and make up their minds for themselves?

This sim stays on my HD. I might have to wait a while before I can run real-time missions (patch or hardware will sort that out) but I have no negative vibes towards it at all.

Ok with you? Cheers.

Just think what might have been.........the possibilities?...........It's a great game when you've tweaked your pc to death..reinstalled with out a3d by the way worked a treat for me.

Do you really thing that warward would have been allowed to produce a sim with specs that only a small majority of the population had....

There is a problem with this game and I for one ain't gonna chuck anymore money at it......if they got rid of the stuttery fighters (as in mig alley) it would be a god amongst games...strange though the BoB demo stutters for me too.....maybe my pc has altzheimers...ololololololol

Ta

Runs stable, no, I repeat, no ctds, smooth graphics during high activity.

Well I'm about to put the proverbial Cat amongst the Pigeons here.

I have B17 II, my wife but for me as a 'Get Well' gift when it came out last Friday - but I digrees - my 'puter, has an AMD 800MHz processor, with 128Ram, 21G hard drive, and an NVidia TNT2 (32ram) graphics card..... I run the game with full on graphics etc, at 1024 x 768 resolution, and guess what? I have no problems whatsoever.

If people get pissed off by this, that was never my intention, I'm just saying that I, for myself have not yet experienced any problems with this game!

B17 II is a nice sim, but EAW still is, and until something better comes along will always be my favourite sim, and in my opinion, the best yet..... but I don't expect anyone to agree with my opinion, but neither will I throw my teddy out the pram if anyone disagree's with me.

regards,
Pathfinder

If you wish to come to Guiseley then I would be quite happy to demonstrate the non-stuttering on my TNT.

Be warned though after I have demostrated it too you I am quite likely to have some fun with my new 18v power drill on your face. ;¬)

Regards

PS Also curious as to why you haven't (not that I've seen anyway) a post of the BA forum expressing this view. If you have please post a link.

BTW I'm Maestro on the BA forum.

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Originally posted by Jv44~Siggi:
I'm starting to worry that we've been sent on a wild goose chase by claims that this sim runs stutter/jerk free on 256Mb of regular ram and a TNT card. I don't see how it possibly can. We now have so many results from such a massive range of configurations that it's absurd to go-on believing this is a 'bug' or poor coding.

Quite simply, this sim needs a very expensive PC to run properly. At least 512Mb of PC133 RAM and a 64Mb Ge-Force GTS.

That's my opinion and I intend to upgrade to those specs as soon as I can afford to do so. Actually intending to exceed them with a T-Bird, 512Mb of DDR RAM and an NVidia NV20 card on a 200mhz mobo.

Then I'll see what B17-2 can REALLY do.

Not impressed with the claims made re running without jerks on 256Mb of RAM and a TNT card. I believe these claims are being made in order to achieve sales. Piss off with [b]THAT marketing fraud.

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For the record, I do not HAVE not and WILL not misrepresent myself on these forums by using such pretense.

The game has sold to many thousands of people, tech support enquiries are low (to date) and we have already begun gathering data on the problems that some people are experiencing.

Iain

Why, OldFrenchy ? It's no worse than the detractors, and to some degree necessary to counter some of the stuff coming from them. There obviously ARE problems, but for me (P3 500, ATI Rage Fury) and the majority of purchasers (purchasers does not equate to "posters" for reasons already explained ad nauseam) it runs just fine. Not at 60 fps (perhaps 15-20) and with instant screen swaps, but with an 18 month old `puter that's hardly a surprise.

Indeed, I was surprised at how honest the "minimum" and "recommended" system specs as stated on the box were with B17, compared with rubbish we saw with, say, FS2000. I would only dispute the "recommended" processor - it should be a P3 600 rather than P2 450 - but other than that spot on.

Siggi - I feel your pain, but we "positives" are not defending wayward and the sim blindly - we honestly just do not share your problems.

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OK, Here's some data for you(I don't want to be bothered to register onto the BA forum):

Last night I had my first and so far only CTD. It was during the fighter missions.
I had done the Defence of the Reich mission twice and just started on the Opportunity for the Axis mission. After I had taken manual control of the 109 I tried to padlock the closest B-17. Could be I accidentally hit SHIFT instead of CTRL or U instead of Y. Anyway the sim just froze and the HD LED began to flash. This lasted for several seconds after which I was dumped to W98. The HD light blinking makes me believe this is memory related.
I have 128 MB of RAM with the swap file fixed at 448 MB. The video card is a 32MB SDR GeForce.
I have the landscape textures and interior shadows set to 'speed', everything else to 'detail'.

Cheers,
Orangutan

BTW, I have one complaint I feel could be easily addressed in the possible patch:
Please do away with the need to click on the switch in the lower right corner of the game menus. That is OK in the screens where you make multiple selections but in the menus where you make just a single selection it is just annoying.

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What I HAVE considered is the possibility this sim has no bugs and simply requires a beast-PC to run it properly. And when people say "I'm running it at 1600x1200 on a TNT card and 128Mb of RAM" I just smile. A lot of people have grown to accept jerky graphics and often don't notice them in a non-subliminal way.

Cheers

...it does smart a bit sometimes though

Cheers

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Not impressed with the claims made re running without jerks on 256Mb of RAM and a TNT card. I believe these claims are being made in order to achieve sales. Piss off with [b]THAT marketing fraud.

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Siggi,

Sorry if I misunderstood, I just thought that was what your above quote meant!

It's from the top of this thread, if you want to track down the original...

Now... I'll count to five before posting and keep taking the pills!

Just for technical interest, could you post the specs of the rigs you were getting stutter-free play from? Mobo, CPU, RAM and vid-card would do it, plus the resolution and game settings. Cheers guys.

Again I state that indeed it does run fine (fine is real good!) on a Althon 900mhz sktA, A7V, 256mb PC133 RAM, CL Riva TNT...in actual fact it runs far better than it does with the TNT removed and the GeForece put back in i.e NO non FPS related stuttering.

Now back to the original question: Are you calling me a liar?

Regards

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Originally posted by Jv44~Siggi:
Ah, yes, I see what you mean. I wasn't referring to player claims, but that isn't clear...actually I was referring to hasblo advertising and Wayward's claims (run to bunker).
You HAVE said the game runs smooth with 256Mb of RAM and a TNT card. I've been getting a bit dubious about that but it's stretching cynicism to believe you guys would deliberately make false claims in order to maintain sales. It has happened in the past (not with you guys) and will undoubtedly happen again, but you've been pretty up-front over the last week and that's not the behaviour of cads and bounders.

Just for technical interest, could you post the specs of the rigs you were getting stutter-free play from? Mobo, CPU, RAM and vid-card would do it, plus the resolution and game settings. Cheers guys.

I'll try and keep myself under control...Graham, could you recommend a good purveyor of fine pokery?

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I'm sure a lot of people who have claimed stutter-free play with lowly specs are just very tolerant of how their rigs handle complex graphics.
However, seeing that you actually MENTION the word stutter, having tested a Ge-Force also, I'm happy to take you at your word.

So, if it IS a bug, what the hell is causing it? I've even tried a TNT-Ultra on a BX mobo, supposedly the ideal config for B17-2.

I'm baffled!

All settings to Balanced, and I believe 800*600 resolution. It looks gorgeous, and is quite playable once one ups the Windows virtual memory settings and activates the Disk Based Cache option.

As you move up from the PII 400 to an 800Mhz chip, it just gets better.

Anyone who says they can't get the sim working properly on their setup should check for a driver/hardware problem or consider that they could be experiencing a unique problem, or one that affects a minority of system setups.

Now why DID something Piss you off then??

Give us and WAYWARD a Break and stop complaining !!! I wonder if you could do any better at developing a SIM better than this New born Baby, GIVE it a CHANCE to get its landing gear up, be nice to WAYWARD and Perhaps....perhaps they will help you find your peace...

Its you...

And YES You are a pain in the Arse to WAYWARD & B-17II, Just Ask your mum to tell you how to switch of the PC and Go to BED.. Like a Good Little BOY that you are.. and Give us, me a Break.. First you should try to develop a sim BEFORE you start making accusations and RANTING and RAVING about this not working and that not working.. Just think a little bit more before you start Spelling out how developers have to make Sims..